Episode 51: Susan and Martin Fisher - Discover Your Personality Type with The Body of 9

0:07 Hello, beautiful humans. Welcome to another episode of Role Models. She's to conversations with beautiful humans. I'm Jennifer Norman founder of the human Beauty movement and your host, this podcast thrives on your support. So if you like what you hear, follow us right us review us and share this episode with everyone, you know, across your networks. Okay. Now we are in for a treat because I I have not one, but two special guests today here before me are Susan, Bennett Fisher and Martin Fisher. Susan and Martin are the co-founders of body of 9, which is an Innovative body-based personality assessment that gives you a deeper understanding of who you truly are.

0:48 Welcome. Susan and Martin, That's The Vision very much. So I'm delighted and I am so intrigued. You have to tell us your background and how you came to discover and develop the body of nine. And I both grew up in the technology World in California. And for me, I had three, kids and woke up on the other side of 30 or close to 40 and realized my life had not quite gone. The way I had hoped and I had found myself very, to a drugs individual. Yes, I'm not nice individual. And I had to dig my way out of that. As part of that process, I began to learn to be a life coach. As part of that, I went to a leadership program with the coach training institute in California. And it was at that program, that I was introduced to what we call my natural number.

1:35 And when I found out how my body was equipped and how that affected, how I experience in life and how that was different than the other eight or nine, natural numbers invalidate, everything about me that I loved and nobody else seemed to get and it gave me so much permission to be the powerful strong human than I am. And for me, the honor and receive the gifts of others and offer what I have to offer as a gift and Mar Came around 67 years after that. Yes, ight end up getting having been an Overcoat on Yahoo and various other places in the Bay Area. I came to this very, very skeptical because this is a new idea, how could it possibly exist because no one's ever heard of it? And what does it mean if they were really nine? Different kinds of people but over the last 14 years or so, we've been, since we've been back together, last ten explicitly, we've discovered by working with 8,000 people. The truth of this reality that there are nine physiologically different kinds of people, people tend to think. Oh, yeah, everyone's the same.

2:29 You Two ears, two eyes, nose and mouth, those things, or everyone's completely different. But the truth is they've been really nine different ways that nature turns up and you've got more in common with someone of your natural number, then you do the rest of your family because we found very early on and it was a huge surprise that the numbers don't repeat in families. So you your brothers and sisters and your parents are different. If you have children, you and your children, your partner are different too. So if this is an amazing idea that this information got lost thousands of years ago because the Egyptians, the Indians and Chinese, all knew about it, thousands of years ago. So what we've been doing. Is working with people to bring this knowledge, back to the world, because it makes such a difference in relationships. Yes. And I knowing yourself and finding that authentic place where we really, we all have this nature within us that is born into us and with a come gifts, and skills and abilities that we don't have to work at. And because it's not understood by our mothers and fathers. It's rarely honored, we're really honored and support it for who we are.

3:25 And so we spend our whole life. You know, we nurture laying on top of this nature nature and then later in life, we wake up and say God there was something I knew when I was a kid that I would like to remember about who I am and that tapping back into who you are on the nature and underlies. The nurture is so powerful because you don't have to work at it is who you are and then, as you learn your. So, your first, you learn your own natural number and that reactivates that nature for you, then you can learn to activate the other nine, which adds new perceptive abilities. So I can look at you and say, oh okay, I see Jennifer has natural. Number one, her throat is very long. Her chin is very defined.

4:06 She has soft receptive, eyes, she sees in those Beauty, she creates Beauty. That's the name of our podcast. These are all attributes of people with natural number one. So I know that I need to meet you where you live in this space of honoring connection. Wow, I can't wait to learn more. And I wanted to go back because it's really fascinating, how you mentioned ancient civilizations that the Egyptians it Cetera had known about these specific traits and it is amazing to me how we were so conscious as a human society or as a race. And then there was a loss of consciousness over time, and it might have been because of industrialization. It could have been environmental many reasons. And a lot of this mysticism had always seemed a little bit.

4:48 Woo over the past decades. But now all of a sudden, we are waking up to spirituality, understanding that there is something greater than ourselves recognizing the, the reality of Geometry and numerology, and the power of all of the Essences that go into a lot of the dynamism of creation, the beauty of a snowflake, you know, all of those things. And it's refreshing coming from the Technology field realizing. Yeah, you know, you might have been in bits and bytes before true, right? And now, you've recognized, you know, there is this whole spiritual mystical sense, which is very much real and powerful. And if we could only tap into that and understand ourselves, boy, we would be shortcutting a lot. Lot of headaches and strife between relationships and knowing ourselves and our own proclivities and rather than fighting with ourselves, really loving ourselves for how we are and our unique beings.

5:41 You get it. And this is a simple shortcut. It is a shortcut that lets go back over and over and over again to that nature within you and because it's for everybody based, we always start with the body because you can see people's faces their bodies as we talked about just now we can look at your face and say that's natural number one. But Well, online centers and numerology is all about the number 9. So there is often a lot of math and connections between the numbers. We have no idea how the numbers got associated with a on the body. No clue. But by being very careful, observers and talking and listening to 8,000 people. We know the relationship between the numbers and the numbers mean things and it is this Connection to the Past. That is the second stage that people come to. Okay?

6:22 This is my natural number. What does it mean? What do the numbers mean? Wouldn't you mangy means and the connection between the physical, the Practical, and the The whoo, is there. And the question is, which part do you want to follow? There were both available to right? And the numbers mean so many different interesting things. The beauty of in is incredible. Really, as you talk about, you know, like ratio fi out in nature how that creates it expresses Beauty, we have body language like that as well, the numerology of it as Martin said, it indicates the how the different natural numbers work together. The, after abuse and how the attributes support each other. And then I come together to make a very particular kind of wholeness, that's very And so we don't struggle as much also. It's about costly going back to the body, as your source of wisdom, we call it your physio spiritual nature. Now that is going to rigging and that is something that I have not necessarily heard of.

7:14 I mean, I go back to the Vitruvian man and just knowing about all of the, you know, the different proportions and things like that. That is just the essence of beauty within of human physique, but as far as the differences I have not necessarily seen any kind of personality assessments, hide I to the physio like you have, but so that's where this came from because the people that have recently discovered that there were nine physiology different kinds of people, we're looking at, the any event, which is a system of mine. Obviously. And they realized that the way that they had used any typing on a bunch of their students, each of the students with particular any type did some weird similar physical things. Well, I brought in martial arts, which was the physical part and doing martial, arts exercises. They notice that people did weird things and then they realized they did. The same were things base, how they had matched up in the So we took this knowledge to Burning Man in 2012 and gave it as a gift and over the next few years as well. Working with over 100 people a day thousand plus people over the week and we could tell how the bodies were different and this awareness of okay this is the body shape. This is where you move from and we move our natural number Center is part of the way we tell. As we work with you before the podcast, you move vote. I moved to the top of my head, Susan moves, my chest, and so, just by looking at someone, even a young baby, you can see what is their natural number.

8:29 And so as As you said this lost information, and if you go to Egypt, you can see on the pre middle section V, 3500 BC, they have natural number physiology, you can see it in statues, the faces of expression, I indicate that they understood the physiological differences. So we've been lucky enough standing on the shoulders of giants, as they say to bring this back into the world, because it really does help you connect to your physiology to your spirituality, to your relationships. It makes a whole human being yeah. Makes Alive health, awful, lot easier. Now, before we hit record, I did get my body of nine, number measured by Susan and Martin.

9:11 And as they mentioned, I did come up as the number one and I would love for them to take us through maybe a little snippet of each of the numbers to just give us a taste for what anybody in those particular numbers can expect. And then of course I would invite you to actually have a session with Susan and Martin yourself. So that That you can take a deeper dive into the body of nine for yourself. So why don't we? Yes, thank you one, we will start with number one. So the move an area is under the throat, it's between the chin and the top of the throat. So it's right up here that if you move your tongue around, you can actually feel those muscles move around underneath your throat. You'll feel for you that there's a little more attention there.

9:51 Most people. It's pretty soft because that's where you hold your end, send connection energy to other people. So one is about connection with other In order to help other to know that they have value. So you live connected with source and connected here in this physical world and you help us to experience the beauty of source that is contained in everything. You as we, like to say, that's what number ones have been chosen to Bear. The burden for the rest of us to know. It's ok, not to be perfect because most natural. Number ones. Have a voice that says, you're not perfect. I love you. And it's not a chosen voice. It is something that most net number ones. Learn to move past but there's no love you component that it's not and it's not if it's you You're not perfect. I love you. And as I say your goal, isn't it? Number one is to use your amazing ability with words and your understanding of the beauty of the world to help the rest of a see that connection that we don't experience ourselves. And to know the value that we have within each of us, it's a very beautiful and challenging function and just to add credibility to what.

10:49 Susan, and Martin are saying here, as most of, you know, I am the founder of the human Beauty movement which is all about radical self-love self-esteem and radical self. Russian. And so it has been my life's purpose and my Dharma, which I had only discovered late in life and if I had known my body of nine, number earlier, I probably would have found it decades ago, but it was truly something that I had to evolve into over life experiences. And then, when I received that message when I received that calling, which was divine, which was from Source, no question about it. That this is what my purpose is. My role in life is to have this compassion to have this feeling of love. Unconditional unrequited, love for everybody. Every human being that is walking the Earth and it is an existence and to let them know that they matter. And so if you go to my website, you will see those words and Susan and Martin were able to nail that. With looking at me for maybe 10 15 seconds, they already knew that about, so you did, yes, yes. You are doing your natural purpose, right? And one of the beautiful things about this stage in the world is that there were more people, we work with them, bump into that are in alignment with in Purpose and knowing it is the truly a time of change for the good for Humanity. Yeah.

12:04 So natural number one about our relationship is sourced and house worse is shaping our life here in this world and that is very beautiful. Natural. Number two is about our relationship with each other. How do we dynamically? Adjust to create Harmony in connection with each other? And the movement said this here, the upper abs, that's what the apps. And by, extending that, and push them out. Eyes get brighter. We enjoy the communication. And you can notice that we smart. Yeah, well, we were part of our body Can adjust more quickly to be with other people because without being connected with other people, you really can't do much each of us on alone. Is it a night? And it's when we work together that we can actually make major changes. And when you get groups of all night together, it's a very calm, but powerful situation. So natural numbers, 1, 2, 3 and 4 are helping us to build some kind of connection human connection. What is our connection at the level of source? 2 is architecture of one on one.

12:53 With each other 3 is our connection soul to soul and that's about focused and looking around your stuff and To the beauty of who you are. 3C are amazing purpose and they invite us through joyful questioning to become that inspires to be our best just by smiling on us. We've all had the experience when someone Smiles as you think. Father, feel so good. Now, I'm really energized and I'm ready to do what I need to do and that's natural number 33 is the most hunters the top of the sternum, there's a little bone, there's call the manure and that's the center of the movement and they're typically, very lean and straighten their bodies. They have their smile goes all the way into their eyes. And so when they smile at you, you'll see the upper gum line. You see the cheeks crinkle up on the outside and arms that have to smile lines.

13:37 But yes, smile, so much, which is good. They are the ones spreading Joy the world. And then our fourth, the fourth one that uses eye contact to create a very particular kind of connection for it's about knowing who we are on the inside. So that it's dropping deep into our bodies nor lower abdomen, which is removing area and using our bodies to metabolize our emotions. So that we can understand the wisdom held Emotions. And then from that place of alignment was self through that. Deep understanding how we feel about ourselves and our lives. And what's around us, we can come out and be together in a much more intimate way. Each of the natural numbers has a different place different way of they're using words. While Susan was talking, I moved International before and as you can tell, my Pace has slowed and what measured, and I'm also more in connection to my emotions and I'm feeling the joy of being with other people.

14:26 But if I have to shake it off and move back to my five, I speed up and Everything I talked about, and who I am changing. So the ability to be other people and the ability to demonstrate to meet them where they live? Yes. Yes. And to add to receive the gift because you know, if you don't stop and look in the eyes of a 1 2, 3, or 4, they're not going to be able to offer you the gift they offer. Yeah, there is five six, seven, eight, and nine. Don't use the rise to create that connection. And oftentimes, we don't bother to look at somebody because my natural numbers five and Susan National be six and five, six, seven, eight, nine of much of more about transformation. Ship as well transformation first and 1234 relationship first but transformation, we're not saying that a particular mode just as one thing, but there were many people that would end the example. We often use it, if your realtor, some of your clients, want a relationship and to sell the house, the other people want to sell the house and not with caring and the except about the data.

15:17 So just knowing that people are different, mix two, huge things. So that's a number five, which is my natural movement of the head. It's about context helping people understand. What do we know? What? Don't we know. How can we move forward when we don't know things. We need to know where we're at. We need to know what the path, where are the snakes in the mountains, on the map? And that's that's a six users have been five years of the parietal bone to lift and the side the muscles on the side of the head sighs have round chest round eyes and the back of their head is usually bigger than the other than average out in the world. Six open areas on the center. On the sternum 6 is expand their chest, to feel the energy in the space, they synthesize that energy, and then they magnify it. So others can feel it as well.

15:59 Out. So they take in what is wanting to happen in the uniform, Universal field of Consciousness and then they help move the community forward towards that goal, that Vision 7 good. Okay, so this is the third eye that they use the frontalis muscles in the blood clot Bella which is small, flat bone between that just above the eyebrow line. They often have a more prominent brow, a very infinite quality in their eyes, they are here to help us grow and change the change agents taking the people that are calling out things. It can be done better. Always looking to make the world a better place. Help you be a better person and prove a process. So, their whole lives are around, how do I make the world a better place? And then eight is on the spine between the sacrum and uses the body to connect to the Earth and then they use the energy and The rhythms of the earth to create.

16:49 They understand, the rhythm of nature, the rhythm of the rivers, the rhythm of the Earth, the air, you can feel your threes and they use that connection to the power of Earth to create things that last and matter, really technical with tremendous amount of integrity and safety for the good of all. And that's one of nine is really the center of the universe. The most bodies on the back of the spine, between the shoulder blades and natural. Number 9, understand the plays, feel the fourths. Because they live in the fourth, they can feel the tides of the world, they can fulfill the births and the deaths, and they know that there is a rhythm to life. There was a flow in a Harmony that we can live in and they work hard to keep it hurt flow and Harmony going. So that everyone around them get things done but using the minimum force because they know that everything that we do affects everyone around us constantly making small adjustments to keep Life In Balance. So natural numbers, one, two and three, four relationship first five, six, seven, eight transformation in the relationship.

17:46 The even numbers, 2, 4 6, 8 of everybody based, they live in a world where the reformed and guided much more by their body. Whereas 1 3 5 7 and 9 in the odd numbers a little bit less embodied, their spiritual connections out of body work. Tooth great, the spiritual connection, info body, but through the body. So the use of the numbers is shorthand from who knows where to help describe things as you probably know the Egyptians use numbers as shorthand because number actually can tell you more than the words of around them, right. In the words, can mislead one of the things that we have observed, in our 10,000 conversations is that words are slippery. Especially big words like connection, engagements, energy intuition, there are nine. Definitions of each of those words. I mean, How you do those things?

18:30 We all have intuition. The way we tap our intuition, you get the seventh out there and they're always trying to teach people how they can open their third eye and bring in and receive messages. Well that's natural for them and they don't know why everybody doesn't just do that and they're out there trying to teach us how to use our intuition the way they do. Well you can learn to activate your 7 and receive it tuition that way. Absolutely available to you but they don't know that other people aren't equipped to do that. Naturally, for example, yeah, so this is tremendous information. To understand the gifts that we give us has to offer and how we can use them to expand our perception of reality understanding that people are not like you. And what they care about is different than what you care about. We often hear from people that have the one, two, three fours people aren't looking at me.

19:14 They're not respecting me. It's not about respected. But how do you, how are you in the world? How do you process information out and just understanding that the people around you especially close to you. Not like you is a huge gift and then you can start asking people keeping your gift. It's not a question of Don't be difficult. It's give me a gift and accepting the gift of other people. Give you. This is just so fascinating and I love that you are able to just instantaneously or so. Learn it about it, be able to spot. Oh you're a one, your five, you're a nine you know just off the bat. I think that's very very useful. I'm also fascinated about genetics and the fact that you said that the numbers don't necessarily congeal or conglomerate within families. It's always that there are different ones and I wonder how can that be when you've got the same body types? And even in Nations or in geographies that people have certain traits, that make them look like a certain culture. There is a cultural overlay on top of sure that a culture that doesn't respect eye contact or example, makes life hard for some people that need icon.

20:14 Do what we see is this crosses race gender, culture, education and Archer because it is the nature and it doesn't matter whether you have more in common with a person with whom you share, natural number and anyone in your family, we have not seen repeats in nuclear families that Have less than nine people. Twins are not the same triplets are not the same. We think that's how you could tell me about. I'm gonna ask that to about twins and triplets and other multiples all difference as to how we don't know, for sure. We have some guesses and we believe that epigenetics is got a lot to do with it. The science of epigenetics is starting to go into. How does your environment change your DNA? And there is certainly, I'm sure you've been wearing your listeners. That there are intergenerational Karma.

20:56 If you want things that passed down from family to family, Me and this the same stuff, some people call it the morphic field. There are various theories about how does information get past? You know, between birds or animals down to their offspring but epigenetics is a possible answer but we don't know enough to be able to say definitive that's what it is right? Because what we see is firstborns often repeat the grandparents except if you've married one of the energies of your parents which is very common as well, we're attracted to energies that we know well and so the quality of Attraction. We often end up in jail. In relationship with people who are attracted to, which can be good if you had a healthy relationship and not so good if you didn't, right? So if you're looking to heal that trauma within a new relationship, can be pretty Rocky because it's very easy to project onto that relationship. But the point is that you often marry one of your parents natural numbers, and your spouse does too, but the ones that you didn't marry repeat in the firstborn grandchildren, a lot of the cases.

21:54 If we don't have enough, we don't seem to know more. We think it's very likely but we don't have enough data to stick with that. In the ground. But we do know that the numbers don't repeat the fan is that we've talked to and there is a tiny chance that the numbers start to repeat as they go. So we've worked with many families that were the eighth and Ninth Children of the same as the parents that have to be. And then there is a tiny chance that then starts repeating the same cycle. But we don't have enough data research to be done. Yeah, I'm also curious about training because and I know that, you know, there's an inherent naturalness to the number. But as far as movement goes, for example, when I was younger since I was the age of 40, Years old. I was put into ballet classes and there's a certain life and there's a certain characteristic of the ballet dancer and the way that you hold yourself and the way that you express a lot of it is up here you know when you're getting it was natural for you. That's two things happen.

22:48 Why there is the nurture and you're taught various things, whatever your talk, whether it's sports or dancing music, you're taught by someone of a particular natural number. But if you look at ballet, that's a perfect example. But I Is known for its mannerisms, its movements. And we see a lot of natural number one's going to ballet because it supports them actually come which is the body. Hey, it's like it's this up and lifted and, you know, and that open throat, it movement where the list is coming from here and that is natural for natural number one so, but if you see a natural number nine, ballerina, for example, where the movement is the pack, but you see is this tremendous fluidity? And they look like the bird that's floating across the stage, you know, that very, very different than that, elegant.

23:29 Oneness that comes when you lift and move from your throat. Yeah. We're not saying at all, we find not to be natural numbers. If you roll over the, we're not saying at all that, any particular person has to do. But if you think, but how they do, it is completely very much affected by the natural number. Right? If you understand where your activated, your body can really have tremendous benefit for performance because if you, you know, if you had no, when you were young you were a one psycho piece of cake here. No problem. It was easy for you. That part was easy for you. Yeah. And I did things that not Vivi other things but yeah, Cults to get into it. Almost feels like pulling teeth, right? Exactly, exactly. Now, I see being a five and a six. Where do you find?

24:11 That there is a natural proclivity for numbers that are close together and then, even odd to do well in a relationship. Or does it not sir? Yeah, so yes. And yes. And any to any two numbers will form a relationship cancer and there will be predictable traits. And challenges associated with that combination. Having said that, we do see some more commonly than others. And we do also find far as we can tell, we're not therapist as far as we can tell. And even an odd number Works, slightly more easily and to evens or towards. But it's not something that we could say. Well yeah, but if you're, you know, even with it even, it's perfectly, okay. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, we know, just create something different. The thing to remember those for your children is that we can anticipate. What's going to be easy and hard for your children as they grow up and for you as a parent and how do you know how they met? To be apparently because first thing to remember is they're not like you, and so, what you would like, what you wanted, a child isn't going to help him too much. This is finished a chapter in a book, called raising Wild Ones, it's out on Amazon and it's about we identified all the author's.

25:13 If it's about, how do you actually authentically support your children so you don't do inadvertent harm and that don't necessarily fall prey to what the belief systems out there in the world are telling you how to raise your kid and that is very it's a good book actually and we also integrated by the Nine and there's three or four parents and their have known. They're not remember their kids and they talk about how differently they work. With each child and your children, don't need to be treated equally and or fairly necessarily, they each need something very very different and when you understand that, it makes you a better parent. And one of the interesting things that Susan said, to very important phrases that are going to impact you and I differently Jennifer. She said equally or fairly that's number. Five is very much about fairness which is not necessarily a natural.

25:54 Number one is very much about equality, which isn't necessarily fair. So just being aware the way that I would have. Situation is not necessarily best. For my children, is a great of the look, right? And that was a big deal for him. When we first got together, my kids were already 10 and 12 14, and he came in and wanted to treat everybody fairly. I'm like, I don't treat my kids fairly really don't and he didn't get that for a while until we figured it out as a family and he's brought fairness into the family because none of the rest of us actually cared about that. It wasn't the value that we were working on. But the understanding about what was appropriate versus fair was used For everybody. Yes, so we learned together to create the best connections for the family, based off our natural numbers. So my youngest daughter is a natural number two, all about connection.

26:39 The rest of us were five, six, seven, and eight and we don't care about that stuff. When we would sit down and not make eye contact. And she learned to give us structures to help us to engage with her because that work for us. So just understanding how those Dynamics play out. There's a lot of very Cosmic jokes out there. You'll see families, where the parents are both. One, two, three or four doll. Get certified through 9 or vice versa and the parents are going. Look at me when I'm talking to you and the kids go, I can hear you, you know whether I'm looking at you or not, you know, those are silly, simple, examples of how powerful that's excellent. And I actually am thinking about my own upbringing where I was adopted. I was raised by a white family, youngest out of six.

27:21 Three of us were adopted three were natural. And the upbringing was my mother was British. My father is American and it was very parochial It was extremely disciplinarian, and I did not do very well in that environment and even in growing up with like, rigid religious structure. I later in life, recanted that? Because it just wasn't my nature. And in my values that I truly believed resonated with My Soul. So the point of like getting nurtured to a point where you feel that it's just not you, it's not really who you really are inside. And a lot of people, a lot of young people do struggle with that because they are disciplined in a Way, they're brought up a specific way and it's not in relation to how they can flourish and Thrive. Absolutely, for you as a natural. Number one, you have a built-in moral compass. You're never going to do something that is not right, you know and you understand the difference between right and wrong and you've already beat yourself up 10 times before your mother even knows you did something wrong. Yeah.

28:20 And so that just reinforces for our poor natural, number ones, you know, this idea that they are not worthy of this tremendous gift that you have of helping us, see a no Beauty And no sores. That's a huge gift. But there's a unworthiness that will wheedle its way. And then option number one children without the parents realizing because they put so much discipline or suggestion. Even the turns into criticism in the body of the land, the so much Purity and you'll natural. Number one is the purity of source that it is hard to live in a world where that is constrained by somebody else's set of rules if you will. Oh yeah, that completely resonates with me. For sure. Wow. So it how does this relate to the chakras at all?

29:03 Because I know that there's a lot of sevens within like music. There's a seven notes and colors, the seven colors of the rainbow, the seven chakras. And so, but with the body of well, oh, forgive me for you. And I know that most people know about, but then it goes up and, and there's definitely and so, even though it's real three answers to that one of which only County last night. So this The centers in the body are co-located with the shuttles. As far as we can, tell the heart sharper, how having three having the three energies, three, six and nine. The actually you can say there are nine colors in the rainbow so the other two missing colors are the green cyan William green and say. Yeah, right, so it still works within the color system, I believe in it came to me last night or this morning in the dream.

29:55 That the reason that 7 is important is because when you have two parents to get Then you need the other seven. So seven is an important addition to the family. It's a family thing where once you have the parents plus seven children, and if you look at Aladdin, it came to realize that the Seventh Son of the Seventh Son, so it is an important number, but I think it completes the nine when you have the parents there. So that's I just literally made that up today and this is you well, but it totally lies what I would say. Long time, we used to have really large families. Yeah, because we don't have birth control so over the natural course of a woman's life. That contraception she would have some around nine ten eleven. Well, at least seven, right. And but maybe she had a few extra whatever to because, yeah, just because that's the way it was but you have a lot of kids and so family units had all nine, that's what numbers but today they don't.

30:48 We usually stop at two, three, four, five people at a family. And what that means is you can grow up never having known at a deep level people of the other natural numbers. So You like my mother's one, my dad was an 8. My sisters are for. She had a one-in-eight repeated my parents because she didn't marry. I had a 2 out of 5 and 7. So in our family, we have 1 2 5, 7 8. We have no 3 and 9 in our part of the family. And what that means is, we don't know, 389 very well. So that's one side of the equation. The other side of the equation is, looking at, okay, astrology and human design. We completely and firmly, believe there is a connection. We don't know what it is. Nope. We know that human design works and We're both human designs.

31:30 Very, very accurate astrology. All sorts of fun stories with the stores. You and I was at Yahoo but we don't know exactly. Clearly not everyone born at the same place the same time as the same natural number, right? That's what we do. But we don't know because you don't have data on to the second right? Or and is it conception versus birth? What is that? We don't know, but it's fun to think about, they were absolutely more things in the world and that's part of our Mantra to everyone. He's don't disbelieve your magic, don't disbelieve the magic that You as a child and the universe is a magical place, right? And this, your natural number gives you access to the magic and then your body through the learning to activate the other eight starts to expand the magical of possibilities for you.

32:11 We're having a workshop in a twenty third fourth and fifth to learn to activate all nine natural numbers to Julie. Yeah. And we're going to have probably 20 people there. It's very exciting for us and we know that we're going to expand the awareness of what's possible for human beings at that workshop. And that is so cool because we really Believe that this is an opportunity for Humanity to evolve back to her, that's where we were before the industrial work before, the things that changes that you for the nurture layered. So heavily on us, that we cannot explore our nature. Because this gives us hope this Charles that we're going to end up like Mad Max, North under them. But I think with everyone and everything, because of the ability for us, that we evolved to get back to this place where our egos are companions. Not protectors, you have to place where we can't be manipulated by peer pressure because we know who we are and what we can.

32:59 And word choice in our lives. Yeah, and our bodies are a source of wisdom. Instead of something that we just ignore says, lots of possibilities here. Yeah. So in conclusion, I know that you were saying like when somebody knows what their natural number is, then they can lead healthier and happier lives. Can you sum up like, you know, in a nutshell like once somebody knows this, what would they be empowered to do? How would they be empowered to feel? How would they be able to better relate to those that are of different numbers and be able to kind of tap into that into Tuition that you were talking about. Well, I can't do it. So the first thing is you start to know yourself, right? I what I thought was a six was like, okay, cool.

33:40 It's okay to be me so I can start loving myself. Also have a simple physical way to get present when I get Trigger or upset. So, all I have to do is take a deep breath in my chest. Roll my shoulders, expand my chest and now I'm more present. There are nine different ways to do that. There's dying versions of, but it simple with the posture, just relax, the body, and then make yourself as upright as you can and you will naturally activate your movement area. That helps you connect your natural purpose, it helps you listen to your body, it helps you understand. What are your beliefs that have been given to you versus? What is truly yours? And so when someone comes at you and says this is the way the world is, you can tell now that doesn't work for me. You get to this place of being able to be more in control of yourself, more a choice. It might get much more choice and things. You can learn how to make wise decisions. You can take courageous actions.

34:30 Also, you can learn to activate the other parts of the body so that you can. So when I'm working with you I do to raise my 290 to soften my eyes. I know look in the camera because you're looking at me. And when I look at the camera you could feel me more easily. I know how to honor you. I know if I'm a good friend of yours that I never ever ever. Ever criticize you ever because that criticism would turn into self-judgment so quickly. It was we have no service whatsoever. I there's no I know that about you because you're a one and I know that about, you know, I've a one mother, I mistakenly Javid her all the time and I feel really bad about it and because I know how she respond when you know, people around you, if your working environment and you know the people, you know, if you have a problem of certain way, you know, who to go talk to her about it. Because I had a problem yesterday as I wanted to look at something, make something really pretty and That's not me, no matter what I try to do, would not look beautiful. So, I asked somebody else that has a much better understanding of beauty.

35:26 How should it look? And it looks much better because I went to someone that is an expert in their bodies about right and eye contact. Who do you make eye contact with and who do not make eye contact? These are simple really powerful adjustments that you can learn by knowing your net. Remember knowing the number of the people around you or even just being aware like as soon as you got on, I could tell from your eyes and the way you greeted us. The way you held us, the will help with articulate way that you spoke, you had to be a connector. You have to be a 1, 2, 3 or 4 and your Oneness just presented itself immediately in the subtle movement in from here, and you're dead. So we can learn to start to see those things in the world around us, which makes us easier to be with, and easier to be with others.

36:10 Amazing. And then, there are other personality assessments, and you mentioned Enneagram before, and I was curious about the interrelated ability of that as well as Carl Jung and the jungle in, Also, personalities. Is there hasn't been any correlation there? Hello. And um, please answer is a lot. So, everything I kind of semi jokingly say, if you go and do Myers-Briggs, they're going to ask you a bunch of questions that's going to tell you how you're going to answer a bunch of questions. So the awareness there is what they do is they put people in the buckets then they statistically analyze those buckets. And then say, okay, this is the way most people in these buckets work. We do it slightly differently in that we look at your body. That's we looked at your body. We're listening to 1,000 people said about that way. Reality. We don't make this stuff up.

36:51 We're going to be as come from the thousands of people we've talked to because we don't use language the same way. And if there are truly fly physiologically different kinds of people, which our research shows that there are indeed we can consistently and repeatedly make people aware of this. Then, all of the other systems come out of the fact that we have these nine, right? And they are the best version of noticing, how effective was that. Whoever came up with this system, how good were they are noticing? I'm even going back in those days. Did already started separate? Separate out the physicality from the science from the physiology from the philosophical Sophie. So this is a place as we use, that's why we say physio. Spiritual at the place where we bring ourselves back hole and you can look at each attribute and say well this is a Spartans and you wanted you at the new numbers are there.

37:38 Yeah. But if you look at the way young sort of spread it out, it very easily falls back into, okay? This is the way that the world is even if you go and further back, you look at Pythagoras, Pythagoras actually split the world into five different. Kinds of people and as it turns out, those kind of people 15, which is to the connector, versus the non connector version 2 and 6, 3 & 7 & 4 & 8, in the commonalities, there are insane. So once you have the connector E versus non connector e and the line underneath holding it all you, get back to nine again. So this stuff is not unknown, just broke it in different ways. The fundamental difference is, body of nine is based off your body. The rest of them are looking at Behavior and the way you answer questions to lump you into a bucket, we It lump you into a bucket based off your body. And then, tell you what, people, like you have said, about what? It's like to live in that kind of money because the behavior is very much about how do your body interpret, what your senses are turning.

38:30 Right, right. And what about have you studied anybody that it was neurodivergent? I'm just curious how that comes out if they have maybe a social disorder where they don't like to look at people or there are certain aspects of their personality where it might be enhanced because of their natural number or be it's due to their natural number. I'm not sure in A way that it's presenting itself, we've worked with many people that have various ways of being in the world and sometimes there's a Mist diagnosis based on their natural number. So for example, and that's number three is can be really, really focused. And if you take your child to somewhere and they complain that your child is very very focused. It may just be their natural number three. They don't have any of the pathologies that the psychiatric World wants them to have. But it's just yeah, I think they see it and they can be the behavior sort of at the outside of the healthy range, right? So hyper Focus ADHD might be four, threes, and then. So we worked with them recently.

39:25 We work with young woman who had Encephalitis when she was born. And she had a very large head, but she was a five also, which was interesting, you know, and we can still tell from the physiology where Brooke people that are blind. We work with people that I have physical disabilities. We worked cross-culturally subcultures eye contacts, not. Okay, so, all the one, two threes and fours or like, you look at me as a going to be safe. They're checking before they actually make the eye. Cons one thing that makes it hard but not impossible is severe trauma. Because if you are a body based on the even number and you've had some really severe physical trauma, you're going to separate from your body which makes your life really hard because your body's wisdom is you're separated from your source of wisdom. So, but again, time and time again, your body is going to show up as your body, right? And there's so many indicators, it's not just one thing. It's the muscle hole in your face is the quality of your eyes.

40:14 It's the structure of your body is how you initiate movement. It's where you little Tell movements I was talking to my friend, he's a to and she does this to do this little like, rolling shaky thing from the middle of their bodies, that that you really can't do if you aren't a to. And I was like, oh my God, my daughter does the very same movement and used to start to see that the micro movement in the micro gesture and micro differences in the shape of the face. Your 6 is have a jolly quality, this more cheek between the nose and the lips than other people. It's a slight difference in the angle of the mouth. So these things are very defined. Well yeah, ponies source of wisdom for all of us at some level and that very big Tails. If you go back to the theory, says that between 50 and 80 percent of all Communications body to body, the rest is tone. And then the words.

41:01 So, our bodies are different nine ways at Tony's very dependent on natural number. And what I meant words means depend on natural sometimes. We're kind of amused that we can even communicate at all as we are. And we know the stuff we still. Yeah, there's there's for like he's doing his fighting again, okay? Yes, madam. Nothing. But that can I gonna do is going to be able to change that part of Mars. But if we want to connect, we can activate a nice number two, small each other. Yeah. And there's been very helpful and I guess it's important to know that I would imagine that no one number is better or worse than the other number. Also, they are all, they are all equally important. Yes, you can be like I wish I was a to worry.

41:44 Oh not at all sir but if you don't think our natural number if you don't burn yourself. Yeah your guess you you go. To make a big difference by not showing up. Yes. That's how a man's if you've got five or six people and one person is like well I'm just not going to play today. Then it makes a huge difference that that person is not their natural number. Wow. Susan and Martin, how insightful. So, now, if somebody was very interested in learning more or taking a next step and working with you, how would they do that go to body of nine.com? And we have four different ways? You can get identified, we have group sessions where you can join with a bunch of other people. We do like, Did with you on Zoom where we have people moving and then we talk to them about it, to make sure it's resonates. And then we talked to the whole group in and those are fun because you get to see other people are like, oh, they aren't like me and Susan, Martin did something different with them. Why did they do that?

42:32 So much more interesting or you can have a private session or you can do couple, you know, you and your spouse or you and your family. And so those are that's the starting place. And then we work with coaches and holistic, practitioners and Publishers and authors and leaders who take this out into the different organizations, already working groups. Sports, we've worked with sports teams and they've changed by a player play the game so that goes to strength of engine players. So anybody that's wanting to grow more in a very new Leading Edge kind of way. Yeah, so our website is the first place to start body of nine.com. We also have a couple of books that we've written that are on Amazon. We have our decoder physiology, discover your true self and then we have body of nine practices for presence. So what do you do with this knowledge to become more present and more choice?

43:18 So we dude what Chop the Susan mentioned, where we teach people how to activate all known centers in the body, which is always a fun as life-changing experience, life-changing experience. Absolutely brilliant will Susan and Martin Fisher. I am so delighted that I had the opportunity to go through the body of nine with you and then share it to our audience. I think that it is really fascinating and I'm thrilled to let everybody know about this pretty. I would say new but old kind of way of tapping into what you are all about, all of your natural abilities, all your natural proclivities and have better relationships more. More happiness, more helpfulness in your life. So I appreciate you being my guest today. Thank you, very much. Thank you. A great time.