Episode 30: Cherry West - I'm Fifteen and A Drag Queen

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So today I could not be more
excited than To introduce you to

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my next guest meet Cherry West,
15 year old, drag queen from

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Edinburgh Scotland.
Now Cherry West by day is known

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as Sam Carlin growing up.
Sam was no stranger to

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performing.
He had been singing since he was

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8 years old and was even part of
a boy band.

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But in February of 2021, he
started dabbling in drag more

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seriously.
Now, as Charlie West she is,

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gaining headlines all over as
one of the world's brightest.

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I've been coming young drag
artist.

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Welcome Cherry ice.
Hello.

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Thanks for having me.
It's so great to have you and

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you look so fabulous.
Oh, thank you so much.

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Thank you.
I am just stunned.

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Absolutely stunned.
I would love for you to tell us

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all about how this happened.
First of all, you grew up in

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Edinburgh, Scotland, which is an
absolutely beautiful country.

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So, can you tell us about what
it was like when you were

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younger?
When I was younger?

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It was, I don't really know a
lot about About like the

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industry of drag of like music
just in general.

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And so when I was a little boy,
started singing it in my room,

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Let It Go.
That was the first-ever song I

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sang in pursuing.
You should let it go from

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Frozen.
Looking Back Now, I sounded

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horrendous, but I mean, we all
start Summers always, but yes.

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So when I was eight years old, I
went busking and in the street

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and I was, I got lots of money
because people thought I was

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cute.
So, I mean, I'm not complaining,

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that's wonderful.
So, Tell me about your family.

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You have a mum, and you have a
dad, and I understand you also

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have a sister.
Yeah.

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So I've got two sisters and I
hate the both numbers and, but

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yeah.
My mom and dad's are really

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supportive of my drive.
And they've been supportive from

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me, singing and my sister, also
sayings.

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So we used to sing together and
they'd come to all the shows and

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it my dad to be very supportive
and know a lot of young queens

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that unfortunately don't have
supported dad.

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So I'm very grateful and I'm
just really thankful for my mom

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and dad support him because I
would be here with him today.

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Yeah, I Have to say after
watching some of the interviews

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your parents are so so sweet and
absolutely loved it.

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And so I would love to say that
when I understand is that you

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went into a drag bar right when
you ordered.

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Yeah, I tell me about that
experience.

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So in 2018, I don't remember
what each other was.

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I think I was like, well, it
did, you know marks and I was

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probably let's just do an
Outlook guess I was probably

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like 10 or 11 a.m. and we
Witnesses show bar in London.

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So what your Halsey and it was
actually Nana that Sensuous

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like, let's go and see if this
is going to be good

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entertainment and I absolutely
loved it.

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Like at the end of the show, we
got photos and stuff and my Nana

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was like he wants to be a drag
queen and they gave me quite a

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lot of veins but obviously back
then I didn't really know what

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to do because I wasn't starting
drive back then.

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But no, I took on that advice
and some here that is amazing.

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So how does one start in to
drag?

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Tell me what the experience is
like, so off or start a drug

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from watching RuPaul's Drag Race
on Netflix.

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It's a big drag competition
show.

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I'm sure you probably hated it.
Yeah, I watched that on Netflix

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and from the moment I seen that
on my screen, I was like I want

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to do that.
And to be fair I was like, I

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could probably do this better
than have the Queen's that were

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on that show.
I don't know why I thought that

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but it says, yeah, I started
from RuPaul's Drag Race.

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I started watching YouTube
tutorials.

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Learn how to do makeup due to
being in the band.

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Before I started drag A New Hope
to work, social media, get that

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and you want to relate what you
get an active on Instagram Tick,

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Tock, Facebook, and just trying
to get like a big fan base.

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So, I knew what I was doing
there with that type of stuff.

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And but yeah, I got my first wig
a moment.

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Me for Christmas 2020 and
December.

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Yeah, I got the first week, I
looked a mess, so it's Marty

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much of a group if you want to
start drag honestly, get on

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YouTube, learn makeup and just
get the cheapest product.

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Should probably go to pay my
rent.

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And if you're in the UK or
Walmart, I don't know if that's,

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that's know.
If it wasn't it.

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Yeah, you could get some cheap
makeup, get a cheap lace front

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wig from Amazon, and you're good
to go amazing.

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So, now when you were first
starting to learn how to do your

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makeup, and you were watching
these YouTube tutorials, can you

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tell me how How that was?
I understand that your sister

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was also kind of helping you.
Yes.

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So my sister's love to do
makeup.

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They weren't good at but Italy,
love doing it and I can say

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that, no, because I'm a bit
better.

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And, but yeah.
So when I was watching you

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tutorials, my sister actually
help me do my eyebrows.

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Just imagine when people do
eyebrows do, like there were big

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slugs, like I'm eating.
So I was watching the Tori up

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with like this.
Doesn't look the exact same as

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this drag makeup tutorial.
So, it was quite an adventure.

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Yeah, I'm so glad I've got to
where I am now because my

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makeups just to the better.
It's fabulous.

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In that red, that lipstick
you're wearing.

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Oh my goodness, the gloss on it.
The opacity it's divine fine.

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I can imagine you like taking
one sip of something and just

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like, I would be a complete mess
but well, well, I am a complete

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mess.
Just what and then so tell me

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that you were saying that you
were starting to buy wigs and

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taking a look at.
That was read your first choice.

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So before I had the name Cherry
West, I was actually cold, read

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Betty waste and I was speaking
to this local queen and I was

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saying That I felt trapped.
Like I could only wear red and

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even all wear, red know, I just
felt like having the name red.

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I felt like, I always had to
wait up.

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So I changed my name to tell you
waste and made myself the Reds,

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Barry of Edinburgh.
Just like a lot of Brands name.

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See ya, rage wasn't the first
color originally wanted to wear

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but I just grew into me like I
just bought it once.

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I was I look good in Red so I
just stuck with it.

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The transformation is amazing.
From Sam Carlin said, Jerry

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West.
It's just mind-blowing really

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truly incredible.
First, when I started drag,

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because I wasn't as good as
makeup, and I kept getting told

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I wasn't good at makeup.
I felt like I had to really

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prove myself and they do good
makeup for once.

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With my son, again, saw him.
So you have to give us some

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insight into your earlier
performances.

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Like, you know, originally when
you were saying that you were

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about eight years old and you
started singing and then you

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were in a boy band.
Can you tell us a little bit

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about how you even got into
performing in the first place?

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Honestly, don't know.
It just like runs away happened.

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I was always obsessed with me as
a coals and music in general.

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My We are quite musical audience
here to eat if that's the right

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words.
But yet they always used to like

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singing at parties and stuff.
So I think I was just brought up

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the singing and then when I
started performing used to do

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like these open late nights and
stuff just singing and then it

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got me into the band's.
I had to Justin for that and I

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got nothing close to a hundred
people that listened.

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I'm not too sure and but I've
got the band's, it was

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Scotland's biggest boy bands.
And then I got kicked her

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demands after three years
because they said, I wasn't good

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enough, but I'm here at prove
them wrong because I am gonna do

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and that's the most amazing.
Same thing is, sometimes you go

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through that and it just gives
you that fire to be like, okay,

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yeah, I'm finna to step up and,
you know, one of these days you

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guys will be like, you know, in
the audience.

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Well, I've already been asked to
perform alongside them, but I

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was like I'm not lower my
standards but yeah.

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So I like I'm really glad I'm
out of the barns but I'm also

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glad I was in it because it has
taught me a lot of stuff.

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We're like the industry and how
to work social media.

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So I am quite glad it's happened
because it was definitely a

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learning curve and but I'm glad
I'm out of it.

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Stepping Stones, everything is
that, yeah, definitely, right,

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wow.
And yeah, absolutely.

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And so you were talking in
previous interviews about how

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drag just makes you feel
confidence, right?

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And so I think about like what
it feels to like, get into your

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full drag and then you see
yourself and I mean, you kind of

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becoming a new person, don't
you?

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Well, yeah, definitely, it feels
like a new character and I feel

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like I can put this on and I can
walk out the door and I can own

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the street.
I feel like I'm on in the street

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when American track, but, yeah,
I think it's so important.

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The importance of drive with an
art form, is that it does make

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you more confident.
It's basically like a better

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version of yourself or they come
more.

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I'm trying to the word like a
more powerful version of

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yourself.
And I think that's what's really

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important about drag as you can
basically do anything with

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makeup.
You can make yourself look a

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certain way and I think that's
what's really cool about it.

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Mmm.
Yeah, it's so fascinating

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because I actually have watch to
repulse drag waist and at first,

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I thought that it was just going
to be be RuPaul and brag, but to

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be able to see him outside of
drag, it's fascinating because

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very businesslike, very much
sent a lot of sass, but a very

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different kind of personality
comes through when you're not in

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Drag versus, when you are in
drag, I feel like for a lot of

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people out of drugs, more just
chill and in weather, and

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drugged already hyper-energetic
sober that wears with me, I'm

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crazy.
Both ways, like, I'm just very

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energetic.
I'm such a high per person, so

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sometimes I don't switch off.
Sometimes I do, I was curious

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about that about probably gives
you a little bit of permission

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to be a bit more flamboyant and
our yes, it is.

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Yeah.
Versus perhaps as Sam you're not

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as outrageous but you're still
your same personality just maybe

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amps Up.
Kicks up a notch.

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Oh yeah, definitely it does feel
like you can get away with a lot

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more and drag than out of drag
which is why I love it so much.

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That must be so fun.
So do other of your friends also

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do drag.
So quite a lot of my friends, I

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feel like since So I started
drag a have grown this friend

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group of basically, just old
drag queens.

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And so, one of my friends, we
actually started doing shows

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together for other young Queens
to come and get a chance to

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perform and it, because there's
not really a lot of shows that

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do under 18 drag shows because
obviously, they're like license

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to 18 and over and stuff like
that.

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So, me and my friends, Milestone
started organizer own show

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sound.
I think it's, instead of that to

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give other people a chance,
like, our friends and stuff like

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that.
And because the John

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unfortunately get, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you can do your

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own like, No youth drag race.
I think you know me well I could

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be RuPaul.
Yeah.

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Well you don't want to be
repelled, you want to be Cherry

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West girl the best of Sherri
West I don't know.

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Come up with your own moniker.
We're good.

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That's a brainstorm.
What your shows production

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companies watching this.
You know what?

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I am our lips to the goddesses
years.

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That's all I have to say.
Let's yeah let's Stalk fashion.

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You said that your dad recently
purchased a sewing machine.

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God bless your dad.
What a sweetheart so you're you

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know, it's helping you make your
own outfit.

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So how would you describe Jerry
West fashion?

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Well, it's definitely Big Wigs.
Sometimes.

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Big big go ahead.
I love big hips.

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I love older like the women
features and I think that's

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really cool.
But I also love doing like a big

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campout for the loads of
feathers.

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And so that's what you've If
you're going to look at Cherry

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rests Instagram.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Lots of feathers.

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Lots of padding.
I saw somewhere that you said,

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it's like, you know, sitting on
a very comfortable couch with

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all your phone.
Yeah, definitely, definitely.

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I love it and performing in
that.

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It's no issues.
Nothing goes like flying parrot.

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Solves.
This is secure if you fall.

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It's like a coach.
It's like landing on a mattress.

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Your thing, honey.
That's what you do when you fall

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down.
Well, if you're lazy like me,

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you just sit there.
So, tell me about when you do

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turn 18, what is your
aspiration?

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Well, it looks wonderful drag
race, but the moment I'm

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currently focusing on something
else.

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I am going to be filming
something very soon in a couple

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weeks, actually with some very
exciting for.

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I'm, but yeah, when I turn 18, I
would love to go and drive

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worries.
I would love to go touring.

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I would love to perform in
clubs, like, that's exactly what

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I wanted to do, and I cannot
wait till the train team

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amazing.
So I would love for you to give

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us a Taste of your.
Where's my love?

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You said that you started saying
Frozen.

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Let It Go.
As like one of your early.

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I'm going to ask me.
Of course, I am.

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I want to see a sample of what
you got.

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I want to see you.
Sing something or perform

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something?
Let's say we put forward

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something.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Should I do some Define coffee?
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Dumping has changed within me.
I know it's not.

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Not the same.
I'm through with playing by the

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rules of someone else's games.
Today's second guessing too late

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to go back to sleep.
It's time to trust my instincts,

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close my eyes and there you go,
that wasn't that good.

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But I guess that can be the cop,
what we sent another one that

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was wrong and got to be is gonna
be very happy with that until

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then.
Gravity and kiss me, goodbye.

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Gravity and you can bring me
down about the pig is fabulous

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about before, but I love that so
much.

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So when you come across people
young people who have any

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Tristan drag or you might see
some comments on Tick-Tock like

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I don't know, gosh, I'm
interested in this but maybe

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they're too shy maybe there.
Intimidated.

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Maybe they don't want to know
where to begin.

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What do you say to those people
to inspire them?

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I would say, definitely go for
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If you don't know where to
start, as I said, get on

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YouTube, watch makeup tutorials,
I do some tutorials on

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Tick-Tock.
If you want to look at then, I

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think drag is for everyone.
Drag is literally for every one.

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You can do whatever you want.
Dry can be whatever you want.

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You don't have to look like
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You can look completely
different.

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Those people that definitely
look completely different than

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me.
And sometimes most of the time

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they're better than me, but yet,
if you don't know where to

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start, you can message me
magenta open that.

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Yeah, beautiful cherry work.
Just so lovely speaking to you

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today, August 11th, we could do.
Thank you so much for having me.