Episode 28: Claire Sisk - I'm Blind and I Love Beauty Products

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Today we're going to shatter

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Sure, some beauty myths, like
the myth that people living with

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visual impairment wouldn't or
shouldn't have an interest in

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beauty products.
My guest today is Claire Sisk,

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Claire is registered lines yet.
She is helping to educate the

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world on her disability, as well
as her passion for beauty.

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Her advocacy has garnered, her
200,000 followers on Tick, Tock

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where she goes by the handle
10c.

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Can't see.
Welcome Claire.

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Thank you for having me.
I'm delighted Have you?

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So let's hear all about
yourself.

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When did you find your love for
makeup and skincare?

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I was quite young actually
because I have older sisters.

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So I think I was about 13 or 14
and I would steal their makeup,

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obviously, not the correct shape
for me.

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And I often went to school with
very orange face.

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Lots and lots of powder.
That's kind of where I found my

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love for it and just wanted to
experiment with colors as I was

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going to school and seeing other
people wearing eyeliner I need

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to be trying that.
So it did start really early.

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It's always so fun thing.
When you're starting out an

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experiment, I'm going to just
making a mess out of your face,

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but he loved it.
Anyway.

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Yeah, better as you go along,
definitely, definitely.

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Now in 2017, you were registered
as blind after two strokes

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damaged or eyesight leaving you
to have to learn new ways to do

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everyday tasks.
How did you adapt in terms of

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your beauty routines?
So, I had my Strokes in 2009, so

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that period between sort of 2009
to 2017.

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I had Progressive sight loss and
I was told that I was almost

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guaranteed that I would go fully
blind.

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I'd always wore makeup and it
had always been a huge part of

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my life.
Like my I used to do my friends

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makeup.
I used to do peoples wedding

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makeup, not that I was
qualified.

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They just love the way I did it
and I didn't want to lose that.

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Part of me whilst losing my
eyesight.

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So, I took the time to learn
what products feel like on my

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fingers on the applicators, I
was using what did it feel like,

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when I placed it on my skin, it
was all lots of trial and error,

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and I would do it with my eyes
closed, and then open them look

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in the mirror think.
Oh, that's not quite right.

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Let's try again.
And I basically just perfected

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the look that I knew suited me
so that if I did I fully blind.

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I know I could do it without a
mirror and that is how I do my

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makeup today.
Now I saw a video of you on Tick

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Tock explaining how you can see,
can't see, which is why your

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handle is 10 so you can't see.
Can you describe that to our

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listeners so I have no call
central vision.

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My vision is peripheral only but
that is really fragmented.

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I can't see any finer details
when if I was to do my makeup in

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a mirror for example, I I can't
see where my nose is.

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I can't see my mouth, I could
see my eyebrows because they're

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quite dark and so if I got
really, really close and stared

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in the right spot, I could work
out where my eyebrows are but I

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don't often do that.
I'll just do it by touch and by

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the sound of those coarse hairs
on our eyebrows, right?

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Because I think a misconception
is that if you are blind you

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can't see at all.
Like everything is either dark

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or black or white or you just
literally can't see a thing.

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But in your case, The way that
it was demonstrated on your

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video, it was almost like there
was like a large ink blotter

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splotched out right in, like
most of your vision area, and

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then, as you said on the
periphery, you could see a

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little tiny bit, but it's fuzzy,
right?

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It's not.
Yeah, it's very distorted.

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Yeah, a lot of people think that
blindness means you see

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absolutely nothing at all.
It's a really high percent,

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like, 97% of people who are
registered blind, have some sort

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of vision and that might be See
colors light and dark deception

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shadows.
And for me, I can see like an

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overall that if I was looking at
a tree in a field on a bright

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day, I work out that that's a
tree.

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I just think it isn't
necessarily where it is because

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I don't have that depth
perception.

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And sometimes I'm a bit vague
with what colors things are

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because of how blurred that bit
of vision I have is.

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But I use that little bit of
vision that I've got to help me

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navigate the world.
It's not the best, but I will

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take it.
For now.

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Uh yeah yeah.
So also in your videos you show

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how you use NFC tags to help you
become familiar with beauty

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products that you buy stores and
at the beginning of your

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journey, like, how did you feel
about beauty Industries

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accessibility for visually
impaired individuals.

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So when I started losing my
sight, the technology we have

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today wasn't around iPhones had
come out, but they weren't as

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advanced as they are now.
Or they could have been but I

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wasn't aware of that kind of
technology.

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I Rely heavily on an app that
reads things former and that

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certainly wasn't a thing back
then.

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So for me, the beauty industry
was extremely inaccessible.

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It was a case that I like in
makeup from a very young age.

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So I knew what colors suited me.
I've got green eyes and we all

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know purple's make your green
eyes pop.

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So I would stick to those and
your nudie and beige you times

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but to physically go Into a
store and be able.

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I like an eyeshadow palette was
becoming increasingly difficult

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because I could not work out
what those colors were.

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And we all know on the back,
their names are like, you know,

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rose petal.
But it might not be pink.

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It could be blue, or it could be
called, like, I don't even know

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of a name, like something like
gum metal in your like what

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color is that is that a gray?
Is that black?

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Is it a blue?
He could be glitter, it could be

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math.
Those descriptions on the back

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of so they that you've got no
idea.

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Idea what the colors are that
you're looking at.

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And it's constantly having to
ask for help.

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But another thing that I
experienced is depending on what

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store you go into will depend on
kind of the way that they

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service you.
Like, if you go into a really

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busy makeup store in central
London, they don't have the time

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to sit and talk you through what
every single color in that

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palette or what way is best to
use it.

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So you kind of buy-in blind
because you just hoping for the

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best.
For a long time, I found it

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really inaccessible and it
almost made the experience

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upsetting for me because I
couldn't see these colors and,

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but I found a few products and a
few makeup counters where the

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staff were absolutely incredible
and would spend their time

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talking to me.
And I know a lot of these people

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are on commission, you know,
they think.

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Oh, she's only going to buy one
thing but actually, by you

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investing your time in me I'm
now going to buy more of your

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products because I'm I'm truly
grateful for bit the time that

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you were giving me to help me
main to be me and keep my

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passion for makeup.
Yeah, yeah.

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Wonderful was so amazing.
And it's true.

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I think that the ones that can
go out of their way, the offers

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support and recognize that you
can't see a color or if you want

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a description that they'll
really get with you and take the

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time that you would like in
order to be able to make a

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purchasing decision and then
yeah, you've got a customer for

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life after that.
I think that's actually exactly.

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How about online is it any
easier online or the

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descriptions?
Any better or not?

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So much still have work to do.
I can baby.

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But as long as that website is
accessible, I use a screen

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reader because I can't read.
So, a lot of the time, the

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websites are not compatible with
that screen reader or kind of

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half compatible.
So, you know, you might find

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that it's this brand product and
it will say, like, nude Shades

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ain't nude Shades that you like
what more variable, or they, you

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know, it Like real dark brown to
like cream or we talking black

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to, you know, white is which is
it and it's really difficult.

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I mean as my sight loss was
progressed in, I could use bit

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of Romanian sight to see some of
those colors but online it's

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colors aren't necessarily what
they are.

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When we see them in the flesh,
they can look a bit different so

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I do still prefer to shop in a
shop where I can look at it

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myself and try it on.
I find myself that is something

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that is important.
Well, we do love to celebrate

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Those that are going the extra
mile.

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So are there any brands that
online or in stores that you've

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gone to that?
You've been like, you know,

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these people are really killing
it.

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They're doing a great job and
everything.

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Definitely benefit my car, they
wanted my favorite.

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I've got a local store that has
a counter and she's phenomenal.

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But what I love about benefit
is, I've always loved their

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blushes, I'm a most of us only
whoo laughs.

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It's a staple is nearly every
single blush, has its own unique

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sense and I until what blush is
just by smelling it.

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I don't have to get my screen
major out.

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I don't need to put a tag on it
to know.

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I can just let it go.
Oh yeah.

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That's Coral is style.
That's my dandelion and I

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absolutely love that and them
scorers as well.

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The lids are all a different
texture so straight away.

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I know if I put bad girl one,
it's just absolutely love it.

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When it's an accidental design
but it's an accessible

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accidental design, and Charlotte
Tilbury their packaging is, you

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know, it's Very sleek and
gorgeous but again it's so

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different that you like.
Yep.

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That's my face powder.
That's my blush because

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although, they're the same
shape.

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They've got different textures.
Mmm.

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Yeah.
So, anything that is

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multi-sensory for those brands
that are watching this, if it's

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smell or if it's tactile, I did
see another video from a

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different person who is saying
that because of the embossing on

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pallets, sometimes she is able
to tell what pallets, what?

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Because of the texture of the
pallets.

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Yeah, very good with that when
they bring out like this special

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edition things and, you know,
I've got a few eyeshadows that

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on the lids.
They've got raised lines on

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them.
And, I mean, they were another

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great brand.
I actually was randomly just

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went into Mac, and when I was on
holiday in Las Vegas, and I was

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on a hen night and I was just
like, please, can someone just

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help me look really good for my
friends head night.

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Like they, they didn't
understand I was like, oh, I

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just couldn't do my makeup, this
particular day.

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This guy spent over an hour on
He was fabulous.

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I bought every single product
because I was just like, wow,

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you made me look like a movie
star.

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I spent over $500.
Yeah, I didn't care because it

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was the experience.
Like you've made me feel

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incredible.
I'm going to buy all these

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products.
That is so wonderful.

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I love that so much now on
Instagram and Tic Tac you have

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videos of your favorite tips or
hacks for doing makeup.

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When you're visually impaired.
What is like the one Tip that

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you'd give to individuals
struggling to do their makeup or

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skincare regime due to their
eyesight.

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I think skincare is easy.
You know, you're not generally

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with skincare.
It's a practice than that.

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So you're not kind of facing the
world with dodgy looking eyes or

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anything.
I think makeups probably more

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the risky area.
My biggest tip is I use surgical

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tape, we called it micropore
tape over hair and I place that

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go in upwards from the corner of
my eye to my eyebrows that when

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I'm doing my eyeshadow and It's
where it needs to be.

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And then if I don't want that
harsh, look when I peel it off.

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I just fluff it out a little bit
so it's not really intense.

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But I've noticed that a lot of
the makeup influences.

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Now are going for that harsh.
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And I'm like, I think I might
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Yeah, that's very clever.
And it's funny because when I

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had learned to do my make up and
for years I would always do my

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Foundation powder, blush can sit
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first and then all of a sudden I
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doing their eyes, like the full
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And I was like, how in the world
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it.
And it's because of the Fallout

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of these Shadow and they didn't
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that they had just done.
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clever.
Now I'm going to do this be

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back.
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From now on, so it's not fine.
I find the tutorials that you

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see online, although I can't
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I'm able to understand it and

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I'm able to think I'm going to
give that a go because they are

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literally talking you Of us are
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So again they've accidentally
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that.
Obviously I can't see the final

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Outlook.
I'm not going.

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I'm going to give it a go.
Are there any other specific

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tips?
Or if you know different things

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the scoop on your own Beauty
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Skin care routine.
Like what steps do you typically

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follow?
Always had a very very basic

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skin care routine and my
daughter will kill me for saying

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this but we are constantly told
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birthday.
I was the one who got Got id'd,

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not her.
I think I'm obviously doing

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something right with my
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So I literally just use face
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morning and then just a very
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rose water, I've got quite dry
skin so I need that extra

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moisture and then I use I make
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cream because I am getting
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And just a moisturizer that
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And it's hard because you try so
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And there is some really
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few months to see how my skin
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And then I find winter and
summer is very different as

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well.
I feel like I've kind of nailed

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it with my products now, and I
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because I know that they work,
best in my skin, and my makeup

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sits really well on top of them.
Nice nice, they use.

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Said that you have dry skin and
one of the ways that I tell that

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my skin is dry, as I will see
the flakes or I'll see scale.

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Enos, is it more tactile for
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Like you feel tightness that you
know that your skin needs more

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moisture or there any other cues
that you look for?

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So yeah, because I'm always
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I just think, oh yeah, that's
get it doesn't feel with soft

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and supple, was it?
Sure did and I'm not, okay, we

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need to either rehydrate
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if that's not going to work, The
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combination of both like see the
last few days have been

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extremely hot here.
So I'm probably more dehydrated

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and I can not only tell you on
my Facebook likes going to my

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arms and my legs so I think.
Yep I need more hydration.

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So I just slap on a bit more and
there is a beauty influence the

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who I follow.
He said you know just slap it on

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and let it soak in and I thought
I'm going to do that.

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That is what I'm going to do.
Yeah for me it's the eye area.

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I have to just like pack it on.
I pack on that.

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And I cream like no other and
then Lips, My Lips are

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constantly dry and the queue.
Like I'm not drinking enough

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water.
I know I have to drink water and

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so it's always that fine.
That my lips are constantly

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chapped and I live in Los
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So that's part of it too, is
pretty dry here.

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How about your makeup step?
So there's specific ones aside

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from the micropore tape and
doing your eyes, like walk us

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through what you typically do on
an average day.

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So, most days I do do a full
face of makeup because I've

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always done that.
Die.

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I won't.
You know I'm just having a sofa

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day or cleaning.
Then I won't bother but because

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I'm filming content every day.
I want to look nice because I

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kind of have this thing in my
head that although I can't see

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what I look like.
I want others to see that I can

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look nice to break these
misconceptions because I get an

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awful lot of comments saying,
why do you bother wearing makeup

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when you can't see what you look
like and it's a bit like it's

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not about what I look like, it's
how I feel.

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So my routine would be.
I always use a Reimer.

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If I'm going out or use a
highlighting primer, if I'm

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staying in, it's more of like a
reducing pore primer.

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I do do my eyes first.
I have learned that I've got,

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I've got quite a hooded eyes.
So for me, I do get a lot of

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fall out so I will Prime them
and then set that with my powder

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and then I'll do my eyeliner.
Eyeliner is probably the one

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thing that frustrates me the
most, I'll either get it spot on

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or completely screw it.
It will never be an in-between,

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it's one or the other, and at
least, then if I do screw it up,

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I can just take it all off and
start again.

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And I've got no base to have to
redo.

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And with my eyeliner, I've
learned to pretty much just stab

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myself in the eye and hope for
the best, it's difficult to do.

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I can't, I haven't mastered the
liquid eyeliners.

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They're too wet and because I
have to use my fingers a lot.

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I just end up looking like
Panda.

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So a good like Kohl pencil
because it almost feels rubbery

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when you're putting it on.
Your eyelids so I can feel

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exactly where it is and then I
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Whatever colors I'm going with
that day.

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I like to match it with my
outfits and I used my surgical

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tape up here and then I do my
base which is I'll just use a

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foundation and I don't put it
under my eyes.

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I've been told by many
influences, never if you're of a

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certain age, less is more.
So I've been going with that and

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then I will do the concealer but
a very small The mound.

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I do have quite dark circles and
then set, all that.

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And then if I'm feeling really,
oh, I want to be super Glam.

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I do the whole contour and the
shine as well.

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I can't think what that stuff is
called now and pay later.

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I do the whole contour and
highlighter and I don't use a

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lot of powder, because a lot of
the Contour.

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I'm setting that with my dark
hula and then they have like a

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liquid blush because I like to
feel where I've put that,

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although I can feel the powders
like up here.

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Or on the cheekbones.
I like to know they're there.

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And then I smell my blushes and
go in with my blushes and just

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go full on.
That's pretty much it.

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And then I leave my eyebrows to
very last because I feel they're

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kind of like the frame to your
face.

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And I do that just by hearing
because you can, I use one of

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those spoonies and you're like,
yeah, I hear where they are.

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And as I'm doing it, I'm
remembering where I'm feeling

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that my face and then I use my
fingers as a guide when I'm

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pencil on but eye Brow gels are
just so Easy.

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They are a blind person's dream.
You can hear where they are.

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That is the first time I've ever
heard that.

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That is magnificent can hear my
eyebrows Tom?

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You're like yeah, bye-bye y'all
they're so cool.

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So if you next time you do your
eyebrows try and close your eyes

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and I will say all my gosh that
is so cool I absolutely love

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that.
Now, do you think that there are

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any other misconceptions about
loving Beauty and makeup?

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While being visually impaired
that you would want to address.

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I think I've got the time people
just thought, why do you care

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what you look like?
When you cannot see, that seems

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to be the overall thing and a
lot of people also, say, you

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don't need to wear makeup and
it's like, well no one needs to

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wear makeup, but we wear it
because we want to, and because

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it makes us feel good.
Like, the amount of people that

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are like, or it just makes me
feel glamorous when I've put it

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on, or I feel more human or, you
know, I'm so tired.

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I need a bit of mascara, just to
make my eyes look awake.

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It's those little things that
you I don't understand why

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people have to have an opinion
on it.

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It's like just net individuals.
Be their individuals.

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If they want to wear green and
orange eyeshadow, let them.

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What is not causing you any
buffer, let them, if they want

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to express themselves through
their makeup, let them.

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And I find, that's what I do now
with mine.

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That's how I kind of express
myself.

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And I just want to feel how I
feel not as blind, me.

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And if I stop wearing makeup,
I've kind of felt like.

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Well, that's because I'm blind
and I can't be bothered or I

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don't want you or I can't buy
things.

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That's not who I am.
So that is why I want to

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continue to wear it.
I think that is such a beautiful

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statement and I truly believe
that it's not about that other

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person, you know that other
person's opinion is more of a

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reflection on that other person
and what they think about

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themselves.
But for you, you doing you and

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what makes you feel good because
you are leaning into your joy

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and your expressing yourself and
you are, you know, creating art

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out of what we've been given,
you know.

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You know, fashion hair makeup.
All this is for fun.

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It's for pleasure.
It's for us to just, you know,

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feel like we want to wear a
smile all day and it's putting

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on makeup.
Does that for you amazing.

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I am so happy for you and you
know, I would love to help other

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people realize that, you know,
rather than putting yourself and

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your own story out onto somebody
else and saying, oh you're

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pretty enough as it is.
You don't need that.

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Or why do you bother?
It's such a waste of time.

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But, you know, I'm going to do
me.

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You, do you?
Yeah, it's very much like that

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but also as well for me I find
that it's part of my routine.

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So for a long time, I suffered
with depression and anxiety

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whilst I was going through this
journey and you know, there were

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days, I wouldn't even shower
because I just didn't want to

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exist anymore but I had to
because I had this small child

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who relied on me and I just kind
of set myself like little

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routine.
I've every morning I would get

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up.
I will make My bed, I will

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shower brush my teeth wash my
hair and I will put on a bit of

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makeup because that has set me
up for my day.

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And then if that's all I do at
least I've achieved something

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and then if I can, I will build
on that and do a little bit

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more.
That is brilliant to because

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there are so many people right
now suffering from depression

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that are feeling alone and
feeling like, what is it worth?

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What do I, you know, and just to
get themselves out of bed

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because of a situation that
they're grieving being in right

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now, any little forward momentum
helps any little moments of

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positivity.
And energy is going to get you

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to that next step, and it may
take days months years, it may.

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But eventually you'll see the
sunlight and you'll be able to

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smile again and a lot of that is
because you've committed to

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bettering yourself.
We're always in this place where

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we're human things are going to
happen and it's okay to feel

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crummy, it's okay to feel bad.
And as long as you recognize

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that there is something more for
you.

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You just may not be able to see
it in the funk that you're in

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right now.
But truly, you know, the support

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is there, you've got it.
It's all within you.

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And so just putting one foot of
the in front of the other every

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single day is Magic.
Really, really helpful?

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Absolutely absolutely.
Now, speaking of momentum, you

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won the best social media impact
of the Year category in this

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year's are and Hi be Awards.
How does it feel to know that

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you're changing?
Negative stigmas surrounding

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capabilities of the visually
impaired?

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Get really emotional.
When I talk about this because I

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was just to be nominated, I was
just thought, wow, what an honor

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but to actually win it, when
there are so many blind content

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creators out there doing the
same thing, that was just

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absolutely phenomenal.
And the reason I did start doing

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this was to change people's
misconceptions about sight loss.

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I got accused of Faking being
blind because I was able Booties

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a mobile phone and it's become
so apparent that people aren't

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aware.
Blindness is spectrum.

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They think blind means you've
seen nothing and it's like,

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well, actually, you know, even
if we can't see anything, we're

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still able to use a phone
because technology is accessible

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most people voice note.
Now or dictate, they don't use

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their finger to take that.
Wow.

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Are you texting?
It's like well probably the same

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way you are.
It's just my phone is telling me

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what button I press, it is
saying, dictation, rather than

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me going all there's the
dictation parts.

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Soon.
And so to win that, I just felt

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completely honored and it's
amazing the following that I

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have built because the a lot of
these people are not blind or

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visually impaired, but they want
to learn because they want to

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know how they can help others.
And I've had stories from

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Friends of Friends of Friends.
Willow because I watched your

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video, I was able to help this
person.

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So it goes beyond the social
media.

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And I get so many messages every
week.

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People thanking me and I'm just
like, well, I haven't He done

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anything and they're like,
you're given me hope for my

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child, my husband, my mum.
My dad, just by showing that

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there is life, off-site levels
and I get really emotional

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because all I want to do is help
people.

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I never had the support.
When I was going through Cycles,

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I had the support of my friends
and family, they were incredible

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but to actually speak to
somebody who has gone through

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the Journey that you're going
through means more than anything

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because you just want to know.
It's going to be okay.

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And I had no one to tell me that
and I thought that's what I want

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to do.
I want Want people to know it's

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sucks.
Don't get me wrong.

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It completely sucks that you
can't see but you can still live

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a fulfilled and happy life.
Yeah, yeah.

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And what a role model you are
not only to everybody else, but

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most importantly, you've got an
amazing family.

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You've got a loving husband,
you've got three kids.

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Is that right?
Yeah.

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And how is their visual
situation are they fully

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sighted?
Or is there visual impairments?

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Go three children.
So if the my stepchildren and

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then one is my biological.
Daughter.

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So she has just started having
her eyes checked out and we

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touch won't, but she's going to
be okay, she does wake.

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Last is the problem with my
diseases are they don't know

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what they are.
They've never seen them before.

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So they don't really know what
they're looking at.

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And we have undergone genetic
testing and they weren't able to

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find any road jeans.
So they will just keep an eye on

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her and and we touch with that
she is going to be okay, but if

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she's not then you know, like I
say it will suck but we know

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that she She will be all right,
because everyday technology is

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changing everyday.
Medical science is changing its,

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you never give up hope.
And that's kind of thing that I

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look at is like one day.
They could be able to restore my

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sight.
But by the time that happens, I

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might be all right with.
I might said, you know what?

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No, I'm good.
Being blind is fine.

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This is my life now and this is
who I am so I'm all right.

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I might say yes.
But until that day comes, you

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don't know.
That's exactly true.

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Well, thank you so much for all
of the inspiration that you are

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shining throughout this.
I'm so happy that we're also

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going to be able to share it on
Role Models.

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Our podcast here, and I will be
continuing to follow your

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journey.
Claire, thank you so much for.

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Well, thank you so much for
having me.

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It's been lovely to speak with
you.