Episode 15: Sherisse Bisram - The Healing Power of Dance

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Hello, beautiful humans.
Welcome to another episode of

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Role Models juicy conversations
with beautiful humans.

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I'm Jennifer Norman the founder
of the human Beauty movement and

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your host, today's guest is the
very lovely Cherise V-Strom.

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Charisse is a professional
dancer, a dance teacher.

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Now, an empowerment mentor and
public speaker.

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Or her life is one of true
Alchemy.

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She has taken pain and hardship
transmuted them into power and

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she's here to talk about how she
was able to break molds of

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childhood trauma and
discrimination.

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So you can to welcome Cherise.
Thank you for that lovely

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introduction.
Yes, it's lovely to be here.

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I'm so happy to have you and
from the UK of all things, it's

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so exciting to have somebody
from across the pond.

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Yes.
Now, it's lovely to speak to you

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as well.
I actually And to move to

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America in 2020.
And because of the pandemic and

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clearly, I'm not there.
Now, that didn't happen.

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So it's nice to just have a
little touch base with yeah,

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American culture and my family.
I've got family in America as

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well.
Yeah, despite what's going on in

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America now?
It's nice.

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Well, so once again, well, I
don't want to move anymore to

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clarify that totally
understandable but we'll get to

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that.
I would love for you to start.

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From the beginning, let's hear
all about you.

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What was it like with your
upbringing?

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And tell us anything that you'd
like to share.

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Everyone's ghost stories to tell
have an eye and I guess I've

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just found a way.
Yes through mine.

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Now as an adult really so yeah,
from the beginning.

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So where I live in Kent in
England is a predominantly white

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area, and I was one of three
people of color growing up in my

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schooling.
And on top of that, I also had a

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parent that was an addict.
So my home I went was very

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volatile, always, to be honest.
So what that meant was with the

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way I was growing up outside of
my home.

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It was like, obviously having to
armor up to be brave to go out

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because I'd face a lot of racism
and things like that.

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But also in the home, having a
lot of responsibility and

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pressure to I guess for me, I
really feel like I was another

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parent in my household because
my parent wasn't able to step up

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to the plate and I think because
I just took it all in my stride.

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I didn't realize how much other
A hardship that was really and

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now looking back.
And when I actually spoke about

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my childhood with a lot of my
friends, I think because I made

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it look so easy and fun and
normal and fine, everyone just

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thought everything was fine and
it was only when I started to

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say, oh yeah, I didn't really
that didn't happen to me.

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Yeah.
And I know my parents actually

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left me at school quite a few
times and I didn't get picked up

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and the teachers have to wait
until someone came back for me

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and my sister and that happened.
Probably the whole time I was at

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primary school every single
time, they're meant to pick me

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up.
You know, little things like

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that.
You know?

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That's quite a nice The nice one
really, to be fair in the grand

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scheme of things, but yeah, just
realizing now as an adult, but

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that wasn't normal and then just
carrying those layers of armor.

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As I got older that parent
actually passed away.

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And then I had over series, of
course, of years, I had more and

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more relatives passed away quite
close together.

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Now, I feel like an ethnic
families.

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We have large families anyway,
so when I say the number 11

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people every other and it was
obviously a lot of people, but

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this was over like a 56 year
span even so it's a Lot of

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people and I think in that
process I just became numb.

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I think to feeling and just
powering through every

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situation.
And I really would say I adopted

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that toxic masculine energy,
like I feel like because I

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didn't have a male role model in
my life, growing up that was

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dependable and someone that I
could surrender to and feel like

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a young girl to, I then became
the mail of my household and

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that that male role model and
that strong person that

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actually, my mom and my sister
did look up to at times.

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Advice and support and I just
embodied everything that was in

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my life.
All of this is going on and then

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on the other side of it is this
love for performing and finding

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freedom in another space and I
think for me really and truly, I

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can see now that performing and
dance has really been my outlet

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and my coping mechanism, having
a little root out of the

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craziness of what was going on
in the outside world and my

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inner world and just being able
to find something where I

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actually felt seen and heard and
Is able to express all of my

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emotions.
So everything I did just

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channeled into the Performing
and it was dance to start off of

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when I was about three or four.
And it's, you know what, to be

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honest I started off with the
classical styles that ballet and

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I didn't really connect about a,
to be honest, I think I just

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liked dancing, the moving to
music and it was only when I got

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to about 11 and I went up into,
I think it's high school for you

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guys, actually.
So I went into high school and

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then I start to do Street
dancing so it's like hip-hop,

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you know, but it's a
watered-down version of Really,

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when I started that style,
something inside of me, just

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came alive.
Yeah, I just channeled

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everything into that.
So while all this stuff's going

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on, you know, I was just
focusing Tunnel Vision on darts

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in him.
I don't know if I ever thought

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that I could be a dancer when I
was younger, but I always knew

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that that was I wasn't going to
have a conventional career, that

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that was just in me.
That I said, I felt like I'm a

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Leo as well, as we don't know.
If it's that claim, that feel

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that you fight for the
spotlight.

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I don't know what if it's
something to do with that may

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be, but I always I knew that I
was going to be a performer, all

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or do something like that,
creative and arts, because that

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was really who I was inside and
I think it's nice because that

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was my feminine energy out there
at the time.

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So, yeah.
All of this was going on and

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then I actually pursue dancing.
So I end up going to dance,

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schools and dance colleges the
next level.

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And I've never been academic,
but I knew what I needed to get

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to get into these spaces and I
worked really hard to get them

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and I did, I always made it and
actually, when I got to my dance

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course at the University, For
you, dancing.

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To be honest, I always went
through that feeling of not

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being good enough, you know, and
having to that, push really

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hard.
Now again, a really white

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dominating in England.
I guess now the population is

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more diverse but it wasn't when
I was growing up.

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Someone said to me once when
you're a person of color, you

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can't just be as good as all the
other dancers in the room.

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You've got to be better than and
I feel that that really did

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carry with me my whole life
actually.

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Yeah, I face that as an extra
layer so although I was

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following my passion and love
and it would be great, I would

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go into these rooms of order.
Asians with girls I'd say 500

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girls have been the room and I
would be the only person of

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color and I'd be the only
person, that was a curvy body

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shape and I would be the only
person that was maybe under 5:30

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6:00 and I'll be that cool.
So my whole life I've thought

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for this space to be in this
room to be accepted and even the

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dance industry doesn't really
want me so it was kind of like a

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bit of a slap in the face again
of wow what am I doing?

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And then I just yeah just kept
going really I think in my

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nature is just this Strife or
I'll show you I'll prove to you

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and I think with trauma
especially in my own experience

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I found that things can either
make you or break you and I

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always feel like it made me
fight harder every time that I

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felt like, I always had
something to prove.

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Yes, I kept pushing kept pushing
for every level of where I was

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going to and then finally got to
a job in Europe abroad and it

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wasn't what it's meant to be.
And I had another one that was

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like, that, just a month before
and like it came home, And I'd

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must have cried for like a solid
month which is that what I was

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that working?
And then I just kind of start to

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think to that point, what am I
doing with my life for one and

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two?
Why have I not processed things?

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So at that point, then I started
to look internally and realize

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that I wasn't doing any
self-care I wasn't journaling.

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I wasn't meditating, I wasn't
doing any of that stuff.

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And I've really kind of from
that point on made a pact of

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myself to tune in.
From then on I just start to

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unpack slowly all of these
emotions.

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In these layers of armor.
Now, these were just when I say

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layers of armor, I mean, like
concrete walls and I was just

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taking like a, a little spatula
and scraping the edge.

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So I wasn't even doing the Deep
dive yet, but I was making some

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sort of a progress to try and I
think the biggest thing that was

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in that situation, I ask myself,
what am I good at and what do I

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enjoy doing?
And it was always the street

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dance side of things.
The more freedom that I had with

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the Styles and when I left my
dance schools and universities

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and stuff they always said,
you've got to do Ooh, we've got

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my traveling.
You've got to do that kind of

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thing.
So that was what I was going

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for.
At the time, I was going through

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all these jobs that everyone
told me to do when actually I

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should have been gone for the
jobs that I wanted to do.

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Then what I made that decision
start going for the jobs that I

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wanted to do door started
opening.

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And I was on, okay, because this
is a thing, my whole life.

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I've never fit into a mold
bright, you know, looks-wise

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physicality wise and I think,
even when we look at patriarchy

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of the way the world is, I am
not a woman that will Sit back

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and be quiet.
Oh, I'm not going to be seen and

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not heard.
I will always speak up and speak

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out and I think, primarily
because that is all I've known

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in my household environment is
that if you want to be heard,

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you have to shout.
But also the fact that

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discrimination constantly, you
know, as come my way and I

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always believed that it will
stop with me.

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So if someone decides to shout
racial slur, I will make sure

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they don't say that to anyone
else again.

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So I'm going to tell him
actually, that's not okay, and

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it might not come out At polite
either at the time of my mouth.

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Yeah, I kind of feel like I've
always been very bold and brave

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in everything I do.
But what I've realized now down

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the line it all starts at open,
I start to find my way starts to

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find people and things that all
connect with me and like

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different cultures within dance
that I just adore different

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styles from around the world.
And I've met these really

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talented people that are just
kind of in their own journey of

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similarities in terms of
culture, you know, like, I've

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not been appreciated and things
like that.

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Also people that are allies to
that, as well, you know, and

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just beauty within dance and
then finding that connection of

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like a love for a passion.
Again, these are the people that

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are found along the way.
Now, on this journey of

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beautiful Discovery and the real
authentic connection through the

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dance scene.
I guess what I realized more

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than anything is that the minute
I took my foot off the gas, I

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just flowed in those situations
and I think I realize now even

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getting through.
So I said to you at the

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beginning when I came on that my
plan was to move to has so

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everything's got to go well in
my career and I plan to move to

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America and then 2020 happened,
the pandemic happened and I got

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stuck with this conversation
again with myself.

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I've hit a wall, I had to ask
myself, what do I love doing and

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what do I want to do?
And actually helping people was

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the top priority and I think
like I said, because I've

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started to do like a little bit
of the work, I kind of

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understood, you know, the
importance of journaling and

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meditating and all these things
and that all deep and throughout

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the pandemic because obviously I
was a With my feelings in.

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I was able to Deep dive into my
soul.

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Finally, find the core of what
these things are.

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And actually, my inner self,
like I find a chiseled away at

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that wall, that I built up for
so many years of my life.

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And yeah, it's crumbled and I
feel like now, I'm actually

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finally standing there in front
of the world realizing that I've

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been trying to knock down doors,
my whole life and I was just

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going to the wrong rooms.
Now I realized that people

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actually want to just be around
authenticity, don't They are

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honest, I feel like all this
time that I was trying to push

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forward and like be something
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I was in myself was enough and
the right things will always

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going to come at the right time.
I just needed to surrender a

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little bit more.
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Now I just focus on accepting me
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helping other people do the same
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continuous Journey.
We're always going to be met

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with our traumas and our demons
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that will always come.
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But every time they do now
identify it, and I'm like, hey,

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I see you.
Thanks for coming and then I can

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have a chat if it's my inner
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I can just nurture myself again
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Yeah, come out the other side.
Just a little bit more refined,

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and clearer and aligned amazing.
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of life already, and it's
amazing that you've been able

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to, you know, take the
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I think a lot of people have
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the pandemic to really figure.
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souls saying and some are still
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Why?
And it's okay.

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But you couldn't exactly right
when you sell, once you stopped

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resisting and once you let that
flow, begin, that's when the law

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of attraction is so definitively
obvious in your life.

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Is that, you know, once you
start releasing and feeling more

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yourself and that you're okay
with yourself, releasing all

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those inhibitions and those
insecurities all of those false

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beliefs All of those things that
we get concerned about that,

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might be other opinions, or
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Anything that's cultural that we
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When you're able to, just let
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your true self and let your true
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That's when you resonate the
strongest and that's when you

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start to attract all of the
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into your life.
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What a lot of us do is that we
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those guardrails up as you were
mentioning, you know, you get

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bold, you get More into that
toxic masculinity because we

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feel like we have to create
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We have to push our way through
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want to do.
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attract all the things that you
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based upon that energy and then
you become overwhelmed and that

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leads to all sorts of
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And you just don't know why.
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trying to do your best, the
operative word, trying, we

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shouldn't really have to try so
hard and I love that you had

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started in to dance and you And
this freedom in the type of

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dance that you enjoy to, we have
so many similarities, I have to

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tell you because I too started
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When I was young and then it
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more technical aspect of it
which was Allah and point, I

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didn't find joy and I felt that
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because it became so much work
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that I can definitely identify
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That gives you that kind of
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were looking for.
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Absolutely than just personality
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I think it's really lovely and
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people I'm like it's about who
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and I think that a lot of the
classical Styles obviously it's

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about formation and monotone and
just blending in whereas Street,

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gun as you get a chance to just
celebrate who you are as a

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person.
And yeah, that's what I love

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about it.
Wow, when you were going through

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this Soldier, Need during the
pandemic, where there are a few

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things that you might be able to
point.

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To that said, I'll this helps to
release this particular good

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energy or this.
Help me to turn back and walk

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away from who I was in the past.
And suddenly realized that this

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is the me that I really need to
be.

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for me, a lot is realizing now

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that I'm exactly who I needed
when I was younger and I think

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that's a really powerful space
to be in because a lot of the

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time I'm we've when my soul
searching and we're diving deep.

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We think we need to be something
other than we are.

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Whereas actually if we look back
at what we needed then and it

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for actually every stage of my
life, I feel like if there was

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someone that I could have gone
to at that time to support me,

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it would have just lifted the
burden a little bit.

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And I think just actually look
at myself in the mirror even

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before I made that choice to do
the empowerment journey and just

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thinking, gosh, like everything
you've done has led you to where

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you are now and you are so
enough.

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You are and I think that's the
key point is when I made that

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realization that I was enough
and then started to set a firm

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ations for myself that I just
repeated every single day until

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I believe them fully.
And in fact, at one point, I

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woke up in the middle of the
night saying the affirmations in

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my head and it was at that point
that I realized that I'm doing

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the work.
Like I'm actually doing the

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work, because I think a lot of
it, when it comes to the Deep,

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dive into the soul, it is
uncomfortable, isn't it?

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When we're doing the journaling
and everything's coming out and

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we might SOB Up through like
meditations and all this stuff.

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It is uncomfortable hurtful, and
the fact that we feel trauma and

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pain on a cellular level that
gets re experience when we are

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diving deeper few times, I've
been like, physically held over

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feeling things that I never let
myself feel years ago for like,

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Decades of time.
Yeah, it was hard, but when I

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realized that actually right
here, as I am, is beautiful,

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he's strong is brave.
Is powerful is enough.

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And is The of everything I've
ever wanted when I made that

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realization, it's just something
clicked and everything, just

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felt light and actually, I do
our bit to an incredible breadth

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work session.
I've never done breathwork

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before and it was all about
healing, your inner child and

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they didn't even know that when
it came up, it was just a friend

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of mine.
She collabed with another

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friend.
And yet, I did the session.

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I'm so glad they said, turn your
camera off because honestly, I

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was in absolute hysterics, but
as a form of trauma, as I said,

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we fit on a cellular level.
For as you probably know but in

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the body as well and it causes
Almont Sam I Almont was IBS.

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So I had IBS severely for about
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It was got crippling at times.
I've been in so much pain,

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bearable, obviously, but I think
again, that's probably my toxic

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masculine being like I'm fine
when I wasn't.

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But yeah, after that session,
and I cried for me the whole way

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through again, I'm a Keeling
over with pain and I got out of

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the session and it just went
It's gone and I feel like

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something unlocked in me.
So I feel like it probably was a

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combination of doing the journal
limbs meditating doing the

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breast work and the affirmations
together as a combination and

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then everything in my body and
my soul and I feel like my

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spirit just kind of said there
you are, you know, after through

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that all their Cloudy murkiness
of my whole life and constantly

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putting layers on myself.
I'm not kind of creating like a

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bit of a cage.
I would say a cage of Like

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trauma.
And then finally I just every

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day was breaking out a bit of
little bit little bit little bit

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and I kind of broke free.
And then that was when yeah, my

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meditations got rich started to
see more colors and things and

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you know, my spirituality is
deep and so much more sense

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that.
So I do urge everyone to do the

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work, and it is so funny because
so many of my friends I talked

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about it.
I'm like, you know, when they're

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telling me about their staff and
what they're going for a month,

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D Journal, do you meditate?
And then I owe, you know, not

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really all about well you know,
I know you don't want to but it

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does.
And then when you're ready, you

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will and that's what I believe
for everyone.

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I think when you're ready to do
the dive and again, you know,

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like journaling might not work
for someone, it might be talking

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to a friend or being open and
honest speaking to a counselor

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therapist you know, there are
other routes as not just the set

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ones that I did.
But I owe so much to those

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practices because without doing
them I just can't imagine what I

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would have been doing with my
life at this point, you know,

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just following the wrong law,
not even the wrong but you know,

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the old Narrative of having to
fight to be the best or to be

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seen and probably being in the
wrong room of what I wanted to

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go for in terms of dance and
just maybe again, going through

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Seas of people in these rooms
and feeling not enough and I

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don't want anyone to feel like
that anymore ever again.

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Yeah, it's so wonderful that you
were able to find modalities

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that did work for you.
I know that for me, it was quite

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similar.
I was going through a period of

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time, that was quite Difficult
about four years ago.

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And luckily I had a friend Stay
with me, who was very much

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further along on her spiritual
journey, then I was, and she

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asked me about, because I think
that at the time when people

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start feeling anxious, or they
feel depressed, or they feel

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overwhelm all of these things
and then they're lacking

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Clarity.
It's hard to really drum up with

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those true emotions are because
they're so jumbled up inside.

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And she suggested to me, have
you ever tried free-writing

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which is a little bit different
than journaling that I was like,

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no, I've never done that before.
I mean, I've written, I write

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all the time.
I write copy for marketing, I

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break Very precise copy, but
it's very different from just

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writing from the mines.
Like, a stream of thought I got

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big pieces of paper of 18 by 24,
and I just started writing

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writing, writing at at first, it
just seemed like gobbledygook,

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but then it just started to flow
and just starting to flow.

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And that really was the start of
my release and helps me to get

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onto a greater journey of
understanding, getting Clarity

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and developing more of a
meditation practice for myself.

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The friends that I have over
like, I don't have time to

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meditate.
I was like, oh, then you It's a

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reserve.
Double the time it was.

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Absolutely.
You didn't have Mike time for

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that.
Now, what's really lovely about

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what you said about the right in
the free writing?

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I remember listening to author
that wrote The Alchemist Paulo

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Coelho is it and he did a
podcast of the typewriter and he

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said that when he wrote that
book, he felt like the universe.

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The sauce was writing through
him and I almost feel like when

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you're free, right?
And you have that our YouTube

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channel.
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And that's just so beautiful,
that sounds.

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Yeah.
Yeah, really lovely.

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And actually I think now without
realizing I do, do that

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sometimes.
And yeah, just it's a lovely

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way, isn't it really feminine
energy as well?

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That is so it absolutely is and
I believe that we are coming

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into more divine feminine
timeline where as it starts to

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seem now though, of course in
the United States, it seems like

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that might have been set back a
little bit.

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Truly, there had been this sense
of order and organization and

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rigidity and I'll call it
professional.

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Symbolism, which just is more of
a masculine type trait and the

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free-flowing and the spirit and
the essence of creativity.

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Which also equals chaos is
really the time that we're at

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because when there is a change
in a transition, there's always

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chaos.
Mmm.

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So we start to feel all this
bubbling up of this energy and a

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lot of these things that need to
be resolved, they need to be

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surfaced in order to be resolved
and then cleared.

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So a lot of people like what
else is gonna happen?

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Until that Morgan absolutely
happened.

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They wake up and they feel like,
you know, the world is changing

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and they've lost their footing
that causes a lot of people to

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feel, but we call the Ascension
pains, right?

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Like oh my gosh, so much.
So I think you know what I find

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is a real overall arching
statement for everyone is that

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things are going to happen.
Always, you know, that this

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going to be disruptions, are
going to be unlevel ground.

446
00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:54,400
There's going to be maybe rocks,
falling at you and

447
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,600
metaphorically but you how you
deal with those issues.

448
00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,900
Is what defines you?
You know, and there is a way to

449
00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:03,800
surrender through it and make it
work.

450
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,400
And at some point you might need
to take a bit of a masculine

451
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,600
energy through it.
But as long as you know yourself

452
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,600
Ali, you'll always find your way
through it and I think at that

453
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,900
self-trust is just I think the
most important thing.

454
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:20,800
So I think my real age for
everyone is to just get to know

455
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,600
yourself.
Really 100% like know what your

456
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,000
triggers are, what your floors
are, what your strengths are and

457
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,800
what your weaknesses are because
That in itself is so much power.

458
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,100
So much awareness for yourself
to know how you'll navigate

459
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,200
through and what the best
decision to make is because

460
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,700
that's almost.
Yeah.

461
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:40,800
I guess maybe that's taking
their bit of a polarity between

462
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,300
the masculine and feminine
energy and one is if you have

463
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:46,200
the ability to be all these
things and feel them when the

464
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,900
time is right, but being aware
of them, you know.

465
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,400
Maybe that's as a combination, I
don't know, but I feel like

466
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,900
that's where now when things do
go awry in my life, I know

467
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:59,200
exactly what I need to do to get
For it.

468
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,500
And I'll have a little moment of
panic.

469
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,000
I might be like that.
And then I'll be like, I

470
00:24:03,008 --> 00:24:07,500
breathe, breathe and then, let's
put it into boxes or if we can,

471
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:10,200
you know, let's say, for
example, I've got to start my

472
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,300
week next week or what
choreographed like five

473
00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:14,900
different routines.
But then I'm also delivering to

474
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:18,100
talks and I've got presentation
to do and then also doing some

475
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,800
research.
So that it's like, okay, what's

476
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000
the priority what needs to be
done first?

477
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,100
And what can we hold off that
and actually do I feel inspired

478
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,600
to dance right now?
Yeah, I do.

479
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,100
Okay, put the music on Let's
work out to routines.

480
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:35,400
You know it's just kind of calm
is where it's not really calm

481
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,400
list in chaos is actually just
surrendering.

482
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:42,500
Yeah, trust yeah, yeah.
Are there any particular

483
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:46,300
breathwork techniques that you
seem to go back to more often to

484
00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:50,200
help you get into that calmness
or that sense of control.

485
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,100
So to speak author?
Walk my like go to Everyday.

486
00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:57,700
Staple is a box breath, you
know, like no matter what I just

487
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:01,200
give a give a good Faster.
While I do love to do is like a

488
00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:05,100
visualization breath where I
just start off with my normal

489
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,400
breath, and then I make it
deeper and deeper.

490
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,200
And then, I imagine connecting
right up to the very highest

491
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,500
point.
I possibly can.

492
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:15,700
And I focus on maybe a star at
the tip of the universe.

493
00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:18,400
So it goes on and on and on.
And then I take that breath all

494
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,800
the way down through my body.
Through my spine, all the way

495
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,600
down to the core of the
universe.

496
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,000
And I just collect it back up
and back down.

497
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,600
And I make the brush smaller and
smaller as Laura, and I feel

498
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:31,400
connected.
In my space again to whatever

499
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,500
realm of spiritual, you
practice, you know, whether it's

500
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,800
a God or anything like that,
whoever you want to feel like

501
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,300
you're connecting to in that
time, I just end up feeling

502
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,800
present.
And I think that's the best

503
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,900
space we can be in.
Right.

504
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:45,300
Present.
Because, you know, when we're

505
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:47,600
thinking too much for too much
in our head and I'm like right

506
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,900
now, and at, this is another
thing I do, when I'm feeling

507
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,300
overwhelmed, I just say to
myself be here now.

508
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:56,600
Mmm, so be here.
Now, I always think about Ram

509
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Dass whenever I think of that
phrase, Is he was missing his

510
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,400
book be here.
Now, I tend to lean towards the

511
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,400
Uday pranayama breath when I
need to calm down and sort of

512
00:26:06,408 --> 00:26:08,500
those that are listening in,
aren't familiar with that.

513
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:12,100
It's really like this.
Dragging of the breadth across

514
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:15,000
the back of the throat, almost
constricting the throat, so that

515
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
you sound like the waves of an
ocean.

516
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,900
So it's like, Not only does it
create that.

517
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:24,000
Auditory essence of the waves in
the ocean.

518
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:28,400
It tends to help to calm the
vagus nerve, which is the nerve

519
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600
that manages your cortisol
levels.

520
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,900
And so it does have this instant
ability to provide calm all the

521
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:36,800
while you're getting this
oxygenation.

522
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,100
And so it's getting you that
energy and helping you feel

523
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,100
refreshed and calm at the same
time, which I find pretty

524
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:46,500
powerful if I'm in a little bit
of a state of A to Z and that

525
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:49,100
also doing some reframing of
things.

526
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,400
Notice that if I think about a
number of people that are like,

527
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,500
oh my gosh, I'm anxious or a and
the fact that they say that

528
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:59,700
about themselves into itself
creates even more anxiousness or

529
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,000
panning.
But if you can say, instead I'm

530
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,800
really excited, you know, just
frame your nervousness or your

531
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,500
anxiousness your anxiety as
excitement and eagerness it

532
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:14,700
tends to flip you into a more
positive way of being able to go

533
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,600
into it with a sense of
eagerness and joy rather than

534
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,100
Station or fear mmm trust as
well.

535
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,200
You know, not know that every
situation you're always

536
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,700
supported and you will make the
right decision or Choice, you're

537
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:31,900
always supposed I think knowing
that takes a little bit of

538
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:36,300
pressure off, it does it does.
And knowing that there are no

539
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:40,600
mistakes, everything happens and
you either learn from it or you

540
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,400
get a reward from it or there's
a lesson there.

541
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,600
So be no, just framing
everything that happens as like

542
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,400
instead of saying.
What's the worse that can

543
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,800
happen?
I like, Say what's the best?

544
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,700
I can happen like that, just
changes things up.

545
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:57,600
So tell me what it's like
because you said that you're now

546
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,700
a dance teacher.
And so you have students, what

547
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,500
kind of students are you often
teaching?

548
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:06,700
Well, I was teaching a lot
through just the Performing

549
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:10,200
stages as well because I still
perform now but I taught

550
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,600
primarily I would say from 11 to
kind of 18 year, olds more so

551
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,100
and also adults within that
space as well.

552
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:21,300
But it was mainly those kind of
age groups there and that goes

553
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,500
for like everyone as well.
You know, like not just one

554
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:27,200
gender is very mixed and that's
really come in handy now because

555
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,400
whenever you connect with
people, I feel like to meet them

556
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,800
on their level is always the
best way and I feel like maybe

557
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600
because I still have quite a
playful nature of me.

558
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,400
I do connect really well with
young people but also adults as

559
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,500
well.
I feel like I can just be myself

560
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,700
and I think in every situation
or scenario I am just showing up

561
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:47,800
as me.
I don't put on a teacher voice.

562
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,300
I don't do any of that.
Let's young Filly, just me in

563
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,000
the space and I think especially
young people, they really

564
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,200
resonate with that so much more.
I think if you come and you're

565
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,300
like, right guys, they're all
up.

566
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,300
Who is this?
Look at me.

567
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,100
So just be myself has really
worked my favorite.

568
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,200
I love teaching young people for
so long, but I'm really

569
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,900
realizing now that the way the
world has changed and the fact

570
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:13,300
that technology is taken over
and their priorities have

571
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:15,500
changed, you know, like I said,
being in that space in

572
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:18,500
after-school clubs and like
extracurricular activities and

573
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,600
things like that.
That they used to be so excited

574
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,100
to be there.
And now, there's so much

575
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,600
disconnect.
So what I'm actually doing is at

576
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,600
the end of this term is that I'm
stopping my regular classes that

577
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,700
I go to and I'm just focusing on
doing workshops with young

578
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:36,100
people now, but I actually teach
in London adults and it's an

579
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,300
Open Class.
I mean as a adults anyone can

580
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:42,000
attend and yeah I've been really
connecting in that space a lot

581
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,800
more.
I find that people that are

582
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,500
actually paying to be in your
space and learn from you in an

583
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:49,800
adult setting.
You know young people Parents to

584
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,100
send them there or whatever
their carers, whereas adults are

585
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,000
want to learn from you, no
matter what their ability is

586
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:58,500
that for me is a real
fulfillment because they're

587
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,800
connected in that space and
their present.

588
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,400
Whereas, yeah, I guess, you
know, you're there because you

589
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,900
have to be there is completely
different energy and I feel like

590
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:10,200
in everything that I do, I just
give a hundred percent, you

591
00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:13,000
know, I give my whole self to
the space and what I'm finding

592
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,800
is that I end up feeling drained
now from those rooms because I

593
00:30:16,808 --> 00:30:19,000
know they'd rather be on their
phone message.

594
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,700
Jin their friends or whatever
and I can hold their attention

595
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,400
for that time.
I can and I make it work, but I

596
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,000
know that before the pandemic,
they were so much more engaged.

597
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,500
There's so much more wanted to
be there and I can't give

598
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,100
anymore and I literally say
that.

599
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,700
Someone might, guys, I can give
you all of the moves, but if

600
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:37,400
you're not dancing them, I can't
jump in your body and do it for

601
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,100
you.
You have to actually try a

602
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,600
little bit.
And I feel like, I'm probably

603
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:45,100
I'd say eight months into that
mentality of them giving that

604
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:46,900
back to me.
And that's when I know, I can't

605
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:49,700
changes need to be made and
that's okay because I've given

606
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,300
ten years of my time to
continuously, do that?

607
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,800
And I'm not saying I'm not doing
it again.

608
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,100
I'm just saying that it looks
different.

609
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:57,800
Now, I feel great about what's
going to happen next because I

610
00:30:57,808 --> 00:31:01,400
feel like everyone will benefit
from it doing a short Workshop.

611
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,500
Every couple of weeks will
benefit them more because

612
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,500
they'll be more engaged in that
amount of time.

613
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:09,300
I mean as in yellow an hour and
a half set in or two hours or

614
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,900
even if three hours at once
every couple of weeks.

615
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:14,700
And then I get a mutual exchange
back because I think at the

616
00:31:14,708 --> 00:31:17,900
moment it's all me giving I love
to see people Express

617
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,200
themselves, have fun, and have a
good Good time and when I don't

618
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,200
get that back for everything,
I'm giving that's what it

619
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,500
becomes a bit hard.
And I think, I don't want to be

620
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,100
in that space anymore.
I want us all to elevate the

621
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:30,500
room so much more.
And with my adult classes, it's

622
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,100
just at the space is phenomenal.
Even though there's only three

623
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:35,800
dancers in the room, everyone
leaves and a high.

624
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,500
And now I get lovely compliments
about how.

625
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,200
Yeah, they just felt really seen
in the class and they just they

626
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,800
haven't danced in a while but it
made them but fall in love with

627
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,200
it again.
You know, that all these lovely

628
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,000
things that we all strive for.
Yes, I feel like that's really

629
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Everything's looking like the me
now is that?

630
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:56,100
Yeah little and often or small
doses of but in more impactful I

631
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,900
think I love that.
I love that and you're exactly

632
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:00,600
right.
I remember when I was growing

633
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,600
up, my mom bought this, antique,
baby grand, piano, and was like

634
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,700
somebody in the family needs to
learn how to play piano

635
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,200
Jennifer, you're learning how to
play piano and I was like, I

636
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,400
didn't want to learn how to play
and so for nine years I took

637
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,000
these lessons that I really
dreaded, absolutely?

638
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Right?
And I could have in nine years.

639
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,300
I should be fantastic.
I should be amazing, but I stink

640
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,300
because I just put no effort
into it and it wasn't something

641
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:27,800
that I was inspired to do from
my own soul.

642
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,600
It was something that I was
forced to do and told to do and

643
00:32:30,608 --> 00:32:33,600
there's such a difference.
There's such a difference with

644
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,700
kids.
It's a difference between

645
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:36,800
inspiration and motivation.
Even at work.

646
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,900
It's like if you can find people
who are self inspired, they've

647
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,900
got that Vigor in that passion
for wanting to be in the room

648
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:45,400
wanting to do it.
Wanted to go the extra mile,

649
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,200
they can feel it and it feels
just like flow.

650
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:57,300
Yeah, for everyone on a morning
person so it is like getting up

651
00:32:57,300 --> 00:33:01,200
on a Saturday morning when I
could be out with my friends or

652
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,500
is sleep and you're not giving
me anything.

653
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,300
No sir.
I'm done.

654
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:09,600
Thank you.
Who are some of your favorite

655
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,900
dancers today?
Oh wow, gosh.

656
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:14,700
There's so many.
I feel like, I don't even know

657
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:17,600
if I could name any one of the
top of my head, but I resonate

658
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,500
with more with dances Is that
when there's a story behind what

659
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:26,400
they're doing, you know, a
connection and real UT between

660
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,800
making a statement, not the dots
needs to be political, but I do

661
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,700
feel like we have not an
obligation, but a way to make

662
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,400
art with our bodies but also for
a purpose.

663
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,300
And of course and I feel like if
we can do that then that's just

664
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:41,800
beautiful and there's so many
really incredible dance

665
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,000
companies in the UK that are
actually like contemporary based

666
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,600
as well is never really been my
thing to look at but I'm

667
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,100
enjoying that.
And then we've got a couple of

668
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,600
Of hip-hop companies are making
movements as well in the UK.

669
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:55,800
And also in America, obviously,
you have such a grand scale and

670
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,600
that was really one of the
reasons why I wanted to go to

671
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,700
America because there's such a
huge platform for dancers and

672
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:03,500
there's so much more work
available.

673
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,800
But, yeah, I did, you know what
of this of my head, I couldn't

674
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,699
give you a name because I feel
like there's just so much of it.

675
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,600
There's a lot of richness coming
through, and I think, because of

676
00:34:11,607 --> 00:34:14,500
the pandemic as well, we've all
been cooking, everyone.

677
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,600
All of these choreographies have
been stuck inside for a long

678
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,900
time.
Is everyone's like, starting to

679
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:23,699
Amazing connect and just move
together and get create more

680
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:28,900
which is yet kind of how I see
dance moving is two more people

681
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,000
that way.
You know it's a make a statement

682
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,199
and be bold and and not even
bold you know sometimes you

683
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,000
don't have to be bold about it
but maybe I think in the UK

684
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,300
don't about in America but a lot
of the adverts now feature a lot

685
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,900
of dance and stuff like that in
which is great because it just

686
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,600
gets other people see him.
You know that Dallas isn't just

687
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,000
for a wax or whatever, you know
or they start.

688
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Old school at crossover Street
out smooth everyone.

689
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,800
And now a lot of it is on
Tick-Tock.

690
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Yeah, well, this is another
thing that I kind of battle with

691
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,200
actually.
It's the love and hate for

692
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,400
tiptoe is a very much much of
Duality actually about that

693
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,500
because I know that it creates
so much opportunity for people

694
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,600
and it's great platform for
people to go viral and all this

695
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,500
lovely stuff.
But then it is that the downside

696
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:18,900
to it is that my dancers in my
class, there are 15 years old.

697
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:23,200
That do not want to learn how to
point their toes, are attempting

698
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,700
to do a little Tick, Tock dance
in the mirror.

699
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:28,200
And I'm like, guys, you don't
even know the basic foundations

700
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,700
of what dance is yet.
Let's not do that part, okay.

701
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,500
But they're like, okay, it
doesn't matter.

702
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,000
I don't need to learn.
I don't need to learn any

703
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,400
technique because I'm just going
to be a tick.

704
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,000
Tock are, and I'm up.
Yeah.

705
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,200
Okay.
That's my love-hate relationship

706
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,300
for is actually exactly.
I see that.

707
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:47,100
And it's funny when you see the
ones that do the dual screens

708
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,000
and it's like, okay this is what
a tick tock.

709
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,000
Sir will do with the moves and
this is when an actual dancer.

710
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
Whoops.
Yeah, exactly.

711
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,300
It's fabulous.
And I put some, it's the actual

712
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,400
dancers that there are no, quite
a few dancers that are using

713
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,800
Tick-Tock on their platform,
they're using their own

714
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,900
choreography, incredible, way to
Showcase what you can do.

715
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,800
But then, yeah, the fact that
some random person will just

716
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,800
repeat that dance and go viral
and maybe make lots of money

717
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,000
from it.
I'm a, yeah, I didn't just train

718
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,000
my whole life for you to do that
if I were you Maybe it's me

719
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000
being jealous, I don't know.
But I know I know it's so funny

720
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
because it is a battle for us.
I'm sure that it is for so many

721
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,100
people who are really skilled
and trained and educated in a

722
00:36:31,107 --> 00:36:34,400
specific way and then just to
see somebody seemingly go viral

723
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,900
overnight, I get famous or
powerful overnight just because

724
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,800
they were able to copy a couple
of Dances into something like

725
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,000
that.
It is a lot to take.

726
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,700
It is a lesson in flow for us as
well, right?

727
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,000
Absolutely.
And I do believe as well that

728
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,700
everything happens for a reason.
So I think you know, Well, if

729
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,400
that's their way to win, then
good for them and they'll be

730
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,700
another part.
Another way we all feel like the

731
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:58,300
life of constant lessons, I
think, I / in her book.

732
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,500
What happened to you?
It's post-traumatic wisdom, you

733
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:02,700
know, so like the more you go
through in your last and well,

734
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:05,200
wisdom you game, and the more
you can help other people.

735
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,600
So the and the realization of
make it that.

736
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,500
Yeah.
Yeah.

737
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:11,800
That one is on my reading list
to, I haven't gotten to it yet.

738
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,000
I highly recommend it.
It was life-changing that book.

739
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,700
That was actually when I was in
the pandemic and I was doing my

740
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:18,900
deep dive.
I read that book.

741
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Book.
And I was like, wow, that's me.

742
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,200
Yep, that's me.
I'll take that.

743
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,600
Now, I've do I put that under my
email signature up.

744
00:37:25,607 --> 00:37:29,300
Maybe she's different MMA,
post-traumatic wisdom.

745
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:35,100
Yeah, I think that a lot of us
is so nice to be able to connect

746
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,600
with people who do have these
shared experiences.

747
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,400
If you were alive today, you are
a Survivor because we've all

748
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,600
been through some trauma.
It's been very, very difficult

749
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,100
and there's been a lot of loss
you've had so much loss even

750
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:51,000
before the pandemic and You're
still here smiling about it,

751
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,700
which isn't even strengthened
she was Dumb and for us just

752
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:57,900
knowing that there's going to be
better tomorrow's.

753
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:00,200
Absolutely connecting with
people as well.

754
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,700
You know, like that's what I
think this space is given us

755
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:05,000
always that.
We were isolated for so long.

756
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,700
That now it is about coming
together.

757
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:10,500
It is about sharing our
experiences and yeah, bonding

758
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:13,800
and just creating more love.
And I think like you said about

759
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,000
this feminine energy shift, it's
like even with what's going on

760
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,900
in America and the laws and
stuff I do.

761
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,400
Leave that this one thing will
make Womanhood stronger and

762
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:27,200
togetherness stronger and even
hopefully create more Ally ships

763
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,200
from it.
Because yeah, I do believe that

764
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,900
there is going to be so much
strength from this and overturn

765
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,600
and that beautiful outcomes in
the end.

766
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,700
I do believe that this is just a
stepping stone.

767
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,500
It's not a full stop, it stuck a
comma, I love that.

768
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:45,800
You just mentioned that too,
because I remember so much

769
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,600
competitiveness and talk about
dance being competitive, you

770
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,800
know?
2L how competitive dancers, and

771
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,600
this whole kind of mean, girl
mentality.

772
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,900
And I want to win at the sake or
it's like a zero-sum game.

773
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:02,700
Somebody else has to fail in
order for me to succeed and that

774
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:06,800
old Paradigm is just not
working, it's just not working

775
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,300
for anybody and so I really am
so pleased to see that there is

776
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:14,000
so much more a lordship more,
vulnerability more.

777
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,200
It's okay to let off your guard
to have a meltdown to feel like

778
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,000
you need to cry it out to talk
to somebody about what's going

779
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,600
on.
You don't have to put up this

780
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,000
facade of strength if it's not
real, because it's debilitating.

781
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,400
And that's part of the reason
why I love this podcast so much

782
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,900
that we get to have
conversations.

783
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:36,200
There's not debate, there's not
US versus them, it's us having

784
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,400
conversations that bring us
together and we can really Bond

785
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,900
over our shared experiences, our
Joys and struggles that have

786
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:46,900
defined some of the parts of our
lives, but don't Define us.

787
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:50,100
Mmm, hundred percent, man.
It's really beautiful that you

788
00:39:50,107 --> 00:39:53,100
have this space as well and
thank you for yeah, having me

789
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:55,900
here to share because it has
been so lovely and beautiful and

790
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,200
I completely agree.
I think us as people, but

791
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
especially as women, you know,
we're changing the narrative

792
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,900
here, then that's going to be
that drop in the ocean and it's

793
00:40:04,908 --> 00:40:07,200
going to create a ripple effect
of more togetherness more,

794
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,900
beautiful connection, more
Divinity, more divine feminine

795
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:14,100
and just get all of that lovely.
Beautiful thing, the world

796
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:17,100
needs, more of the lovely.
Well, should we say it was such

797
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:19,900
a joy to have you on good?
Put all of your contact

798
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:22,600
information in the show notes to
people know where to find you,

799
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,300
but in the meantime, stay
beautiful stay well and we'll

800
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,700
see you next time.
Thank you.