The Truth About Self-Care After 45: Perimenopause & Nervous System Shifts | Dr. Natalya Borakowski

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Hello beautiful humans.
OK, so let's talk about

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something no one prepared us
for.

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You hit your 40s, you double
down on self-care, You eat

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cleaner, move more, meditate,
upgrade your skin care and

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somehow you feel more tired,
more irritated and more wired.

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Why?
What if self-care after 45

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doesn't fail because you're
doing it wrong, but because your

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biology has changed?
Today I'm joined by Doctor

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Natalia Borakovsky, naturopathic
physician, founder of the Desert

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Bloom Skin Care Clinic in
Scottsdale, AZ, and founder of

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Unvalue, a platform exploring
the intersection of aging,

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stress, self perception, and
biology.

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With nearly two decades in
Women's Health and cosmetic

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dermatology, she helps women
understand aging through

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science, not fear, and through
nervous system regulation, not

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relentless optimization.
In this conversation, we are

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unpacking why self-care can
quietly turn into self

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surveillance, how hormonal
shifts after 45 change the way

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your body processes stress, and
what it actually looks like to

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restore energy and feel at ease
in your skin again without

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adding another task to your
list.

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If what used to work isn't
working anymore, then this

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episode may change the way you
see your body.

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Come on in and join us for the
conversation.

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Doctor Natalia, welcome.
I'm so happy to be here,

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Jennifer.
It's such a great opportunity to

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talk about something that has
been beleaguering so many women

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as they turn 40 and beyond.
So before we go anywhere, I want

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you to tell us, Doctor Natalia,
when women finish listening to

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our conversation today, what do
you most hope that they

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understand about their bodies,
aging, and self-care after 45?

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I think the most important thing
is to learn to trust yourself

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and drop all these ideas that
you're doing something wrong.

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Drop this kind of like a cookie
cutter recipe that work for your

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sister or your girlfriend and
you, you, it doesn't have to be

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perfect.
It can be messy.

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Just do something for yourself
every day.

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That's basically my main
message.

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Love yourself and then just
allow yourself to evolve as

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you're going through this
hormonal changes.

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And we're certainly going to
talk about hormonal changes as

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well.
Yeah.

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This is so important because I
think so many women hit midlife

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and think I must be doing
something wrong.

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So from a biological standpoint,
what is actually happening in

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the body after 45 that changes
the way that we experience

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stress and energy?
Why do the things that we used

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to do that once worked, like
pushing through, optimizing,

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doing more?
Why did they suddenly stop

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working?
Well, yes, it's all goes through

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our body really, going through
the major reconstruction, if you

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will.
If the first reconstruction was

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puberty, which hopefully none of
us really remember that well.

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But if you have teenage
daughters, which I do, mine is

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16, you kind of watching the
reconstruction happening in

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front of you and being a
physician, you kind of like I'm

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a privilege of understanding
what's going through her body.

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So I take her little angry
spurts and craziness with a

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little smile and like, OK, I get
it.

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It's a brain and body
reconstruction because her

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hormones changed.
She went through an innocent

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girl until all of a sudden being
the young woman.

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And the change is so rapid in
puberty.

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Fortunately for us in our mid
40s, once we start going through

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transition of perimenopause,
that process is far, far longer.

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But it's a second puberty
essentially because first, your

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ovaries very, very gradually
starts to shut down.

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And it's a normal process.
And I know some women will

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listen to me and they'll say,
well, if I am going to

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perimenopause, maybe I should
look at the hormone replacement.

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Those are great options, but
they're not always for everyone.

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The most important thing, you
have to think that this

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transition is natural and what
works again, for your sister,

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your neighbor might not work for
you.

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So be open to possibilities and
not ultimately understand it's

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not just your body changes, it's
the way your brain completely

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remodels because those hormones
very closely talk to your

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neurotransmitters, mainly
dopamine and serotonin.

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So if you have having this
irritability, forgetfulness,

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brain fog, all of that is kind
of fun for the ride and just

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again, take it with a little
smile and just be a little bit

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more gentle to yourself.
And as your ovaries going

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through that permanent vacation
if you will, then your adrenal

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glands, which really often
misunderstood and not really

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talk about the medical
community.

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There are tiny little almond
shaped glands that sit on top of

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your kidneys.
They become your main hormone

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producers.
It's important why the stress

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fits in here and why we don't
really cover that stress anymore

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because one of the major
hormones you adrenal glands

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produce every single day called
cortisol.

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Cortisol gets a bad rap because
when people hear cortisol, they

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think stress.
And yes, it is a hormone of

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stress, but it's also wonderful
natural cup of coffee in the

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morning.
That's a hormone that wakes you

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up if you remember yourself as a
child or if you're looking at

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children like age of 0, five to
seven before the school, stress

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and all that, how they would get
out of the bed.

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They're so excited, they don't
need coffee.

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They're just ready to charge the
day.

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And by afternoon they're ready
for a nap.

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Because in normal humans,
cortisol is super high in the

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mornings and then by the
afternoon, it's about half of

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the amount.
Once the sun goes down, your

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cortisol should be at zero and
at this opposite or opposite

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hormone, which cause melatonin
starts to get secret in your

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brain and then you sleep like a
baby.

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And that's a normal stress
response to canine rhythm as we

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age.
First, we live in the 21st

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century surrounded by artificial
light.

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Most of us do not have that
normal circadian grief and

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normal cortisol sufficient.
And if we put stress on top of

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it, when you have to have those
surges of cortisol throughout

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the day.
And for us, we're dealing with

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chronic stress.
You know, all the pressures that

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all the hats the most women
wear, you know, being the mother

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and then working and being also
wife and the sister and the

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caregiver and all those things.
All that pressure at the extra

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drain in your adrenals.
And then now when they're taking

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responsibility to be a major
hormone producers, all the other

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hormones kind of getting
overlooked.

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And then no matter how much you
rest, you're just starting to

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feel dreadful and unfortunately
start to look dreadful.

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So what I'm hearing you say is
that it's not a matter of

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willpower.
When we get to adulthood, we're

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used to go, go going, especially
women.

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We do so much.
But it's not that we are getting

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lazy or that our bodies are
necessarily failing us.

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This is an natural life cycle,
this is a natural part of life

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and it is a hormonal and nervous
system issue.

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I think that alone feels
relieving because I think that a

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lot of times we just get so down
on us.

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Like why am I not remembering
this?

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Why am I so tired all the time?
Well, if a woman listening feels

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wired but exhausted, this could
be why.

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Your body is going through
natural changes and it is

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perfectly normal and OK.
But what do you think that her

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body is really trying to
communicate at this time of

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life?
Well, if you are feeling fatigue

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no matter how much you try,
likely it's what we call it, the

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own adrenal fatigue.
That means your adrenal adrenal

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glands really struggling with
producing that cortisol.

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So #1 recommendation sleep like
your life depend on it because

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it really does.
There's a reason why they call

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it the beauty sleep because the
more restful sleep you have, the

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better your skin looks, the
better you because while we

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sleep, your skin produces
collagen, your body repairs.

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And then of course your adrenal
glands have that moment of break

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when they don't have to
constantly secrete cortisol.

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And if you are struggling with
insomnia, I would say this is a

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number one thing that you should
address with your doctor.

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And just if you don't get enough
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which for adults it's only 7 to
8 hours, not like for teenagers

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who need to sleep 9 plus hours,
but your body needs those hours.

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Without it, this hormone
transition, it's going to be

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quite dreadful.
It's just so amazing to me that

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there is so much science now on
the importance of sleep.

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It is one of the number one
causes of early fatality.

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Because of the stress, because
of everything that we've been

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putting our bodies through,
sleep has become like the number

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one thing for self-care and it
is something that we can all do.

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It's something that I think we
had been trained or socialized

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early on to think that we should
be able to get by with less

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sleep.
That is absolutely not true, is

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what I'm hearing you say.
That's that's very natural.

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And if this is a podcast about
beauty, so I would talk to our

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listeners from the point of
beauty.

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Let's think about what happens
to our skin specifically when

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you don't get enough sleep.
So you get constant elevated

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cortisol constantly elevated
cortisol simply destroys your

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collagen.
It doesn't matter what collagen

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powders you drink.
You know what kind of fancy skin

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care you put on.
You can do all kinds of

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injectables, lasers, they're all
great, but the foundation is not

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there.
It's when people saying I feel

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like my body is going against
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But if you are putting it in a
state that it has to go against

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you, this will be resolved.
That's why really restorative

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sleep, it's so essential, just
as important as of course, good

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nutrition and.
Movement now I know that you

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have also said that self-care
can quietly become another form

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of self monitoring or self
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So constant vigilance affect the
nervous system long term as

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well.
How can women tell the

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difference between self-care
that restores and self-care that

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subtly reinforces pressure?
Like if we're saying like, oh,

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you need to get sleep and
somebody is saying, Oh my God, I

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didn't get enough sleep or I got
terrible sleep last night.

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And then they start feeling bad
about them cells.

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Like how do you get them to
start working away from that

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cycle?
That is, that is such a great

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point, Jennifer, and you're
obstacle looking right?

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And that's why I'm so careful of
giving kind of a specific

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Wellness advice because it's
exactly what we do.

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Overachieving women, the women
who like to optimize things, you

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know, trying to be efficient in
their life and they're trying to

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optimize their health.
And then you're right, they

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create this as another form of
task.

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And then when it comes that self
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then it becomes destructive on
its own if you're constantly

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checking yourself.
Am I relaxed enough?

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Did I get enough restlessly?
Am I wearing this special brace?

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But they're telling me if I get
enough R.E.M. deep and whatever

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thing you're measuring, you
probably stressing yourself too

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much and not really get full
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So This is why in the beginning
of conversation I said it's OK

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if you don't do it perfectly.
Don't do it perfectly.

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Do it as you feel for the day.
And maybe one day you need 10

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hours of sleep, maybe another
day you'll be totally OK with

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getting 6 1/2.
Just ask your body what it

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needs.
Don't try to be perfect.

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Yes, body likes routines.
So if you do go to bed at the

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same time, wake up at at the
same time, your body will

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respond better.
But don't do it on somebody

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else's schedule.
If somebody tells you optimal

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time to go to sleep at 9:00 PM,
but you absolutely cannot fall

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asleep until 11, it's OK.
You have to do it on your own

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terms.
You have to try.

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You have to see what works, what
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So don't turn it into another
form of against self monitoring.

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Just do it from the point of
ease and self connection and

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trust and listening to the body.
The most extraordinary thing,

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what I see in women, we are
naturally very connected to our

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bodies.
We have a fantastic intuition,

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we can know when there's
something off, something wrong

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with our bodies.
But I feel like in this 21st

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century, because we have so much
noise, so much information

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around us, we getting
disconnected with no longer

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trust of what our body tells us.
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women, if you feel like you have
so much, so many different

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advices, people telling you
different things, you feel

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overwhelmed, take at least 24
hours, completely silence,

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withdraw from all the noise,
social media, even podcasts.

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And yes, Jennifer podcast is
wonderful.

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But if you have to take a 24
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I can.
Currently sit with your thoughts

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and then just listen to your
body and ask what do I need

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today?
Do I need to move?

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Do I really need that?
Another cup of coffee or do I

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need maybe a normal tea?
Do I need silence or do I need

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noise and it's OK and only you
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I think that in most cases,
those of us who had been in

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business, we had been taught
that whatever we measure

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improves.
And I think that that's why we

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do all of the little gadgets and
devices to check and monitor and

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this and that.
And it's one of the reasons why

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I never got an aura ring.
I was always intrigued by it,

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but I was like, OK, it's going
to tell me that I didn't get

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enough sleep at last night.
Well, then what, what do I do

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about that?
And, and so I, I just thought

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that it would be like something
else that I wasn't necessarily

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listening to my body.
I was listening to something

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external to tell me what was
right or wrong with me.

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But if you take that quiet
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is saying, your body knows, you
know, deep down inside how

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you're feeling.
And if you get a good night's

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sleep, if you get that deep
sleep the next day, you may, if

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you aren't able to tap into that
intuition by being silent enough

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to sit still and know how you
really feeling, kind of just do

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that body scan.
Do that, you know, breath for a

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moment.
Take that beat to get away from

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the noise, to get away from all
the metrics, to get away from

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all the you should, you should,
you should or you shouldn't.

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You shouldn't, you shouldn't.
You will know what's right for

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you, so.
Yes, absolutely.

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And so I think that that is it.

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It's almost like self-care had
become another arena where women

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had been feeling evaluated or
were evaluating themselves so

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much.
And we've been taught to

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optimize everything from
productivity, from beauty to

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Wellness.
What do you think that that

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cultural pressure does when it
layers on top of hormonal

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change?
It's a.

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Very difficult position to be
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We are first generation of women
that aging under constant self

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surveillance.
And it's really hard.

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And that's what I really saw in
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patients are my age.
So it's scare menopausal 45 to

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50.
And what I see is women aging in

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the front of the camera, in the
front of mirrors, in the front

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of some random, you know, zoom
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So basically we are on constant
surveillance of videos when

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we're not even ready to pose and
we see see ourselves from the

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angles that typically normal
healthy woman would not.

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So that creates that constant
self monitoring and sort of pre

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formative behavior.
And I'll explain you where I'm

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going with this.
So let's start with a personal

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story.
A few years ago I was completely

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burnt out because I've seen way
too many patients.

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So I decided I need to take a
break.

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I'm gonna book myself a
beautiful retreat here in

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Scottsdale, AZ.
So as any high functioning

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overachieving woman, I decided
I'm going to go take advantage

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of every single class there.
I'm going to go do all the

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detoxes.
So I know you're laughing and

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you know where I'm going with
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So I was so overbooked.
By the time I came home three

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days later, I was physically
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I was just, my stomach was
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It was absolutely terrible.
It was not detoxing, it was

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destructive.
And that's where I understood

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that this moment of self
connection and this moment of

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disengagement from the mirrors,
from phones to cameras, is

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essentially to establish that
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And for us as we age, aging is
inevitable.

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And then pretending like we all
going to look 20 for the rest of

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our life is impossible.
You're going to over tax your

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tissue, you're going to run into
complications or are you going

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to turn into someone you're not
with overcorrected,

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overstretched skin.
And you know, we've seen all

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those crazy photos on Instagram,
I'm sure.

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So ultimately, again, taking
time for yourself and then doing

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what supports your body not from
the point of correction, but

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always from the point of
support.

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I want to go a little deeper and
talk about the mirror for a

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moment.
And you are exactly right.

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I think that it's interesting to
see how aging today is versus

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aging talk about like maybe a
generation or two prior, where

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now we have so many options
available to us, your clinic

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included, where we can
rejuvenate, where we can quote,

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UN quote, stay more youthful in
terms of our skin, in terms of

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how we look.
Because I think that a lot of us

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are self critical because we see
the criticism of others through

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comments and whatnot on social
media and and other places.

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And we just want to stay as
young looking as possible.

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All the while we're going
through perimenopause and having

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these issues and fighting, I say
fighting against the clock.

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But you know, that's the
traditional anti aging method is

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that, you know, don't age
gracefully anymore.

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We don't have to, There's no
need to.

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We have options available to us.
So how do you kind of walk that

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fine line in helping people
navigate through Wellness,

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healthful aging, and also having
these youthful options available

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to?
That's a wonderful question and

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it's so I can give you a very
long answer because I'm actually

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writing the entire book on that
topic specifically, but it's.

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Challenging.
Things is, it's very

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challenging, yes, because the
the most important thing is to

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understand that our faces, our
reflection, our relationship

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with the mirror, it's a deep
psychological relationship

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because our face is not just the
face.

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It carries a lot of societal
value.

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Just think you're strangers
looking at your face and they

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judge you immediately by your
expression on your face, by

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consistency of your skin.
They charge you judge your

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social status, your success,
they judge the level of your

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friendliness, they judge your
level of intelligence.

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Everything is written on your
face.

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So of course, for us women, we
want to look as attractive as

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possible and there's nothing
wrong with it.

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And I for people who say that
women are vain, I have a big

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beef with it.
And I can give another really

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look very long conversation
about this.

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But going back with aesthetic
treatments, the biggest problem

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becomes it's when we take
medical tools and instead of

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taking informed medical
decisions of to do the treatment

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or not to do treatment, we use a
cultural fear and cultural

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conditioning as a driving
decision choice.

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So this is a very nuanced moment
and it's something that good

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physician, good practitioners
should see it in a patient.

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So if the woman is chasing the
image of herself that she was

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1020 years ago, this is likely
just a cultural fear because

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ultimately another very
important topic there is women

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not necessarily want to be young
what they want.

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They want to feel safe in their
body because there's a very

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fascinating relationship with
our deflection in the mirror.

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Often what we see in the mirror
when you look at the familiar

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mirror, like in your bathroom,
for example, day in, day out,

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it's a image of yourself several
years ago.

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It could be as long as 10 years
ago, unless you did like a

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recent remodeling, for example.
Because our brains, let's face

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it, it's a little lazy.
It's kind of like looks at the

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familiar settings.
I'm like, OK, that this is what

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I see.
This is what she always is.

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It's the same phenomena when
people.

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People experience when they
suddenly lose a lot of weight or

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gain a lot of weight, like
during pregnancy, they always

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have like, Oh my gosh, I am all
sudden so big.

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It didn't happen all of a
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It's just because your
reflection finally caught up to

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you.
And it usually takes some kind

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of a changing moment.
It could be you look at your

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reflection and some strange
mirror.

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It could be a hotel room or like
some venue or it could be

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somebody to concisely photo of
yourself.

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And once you see whatever that
imperfection that caught your

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eye, the first thing your
nervous system response is fair

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because you've seen something
unfamiliar.

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Because again, our faces, it's
so much more than just a pretty

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face.
It's your identity, it's your

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social status.
It's just, it's just so much

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more.
It's a very deep meaning there.

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So when you get into that state
of fear that typically many

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people start dialing up a number
for the person with a syringe

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and saying, I need to fix this.
And if they come to me, we're

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having this conversation, what
are we fixing?

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Are we fixing something that's
even exist?

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Like what is your overall goal?
Because then we can talk about

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skin health.
What is your routine?

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Are you taking care of yourself?
Because took my patients don't

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do the basic floor I call them,
which is sleep, movement,

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nutrition and managing stress.
It really doing all the

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injectables.
It's like you're swimming across

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the stream.
You're not feeding your body.

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You're not giving it what your
body needs.

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Wow that is so compelling.
I do remember after doing market

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research back in the day, this
was a bit ago, but I would come

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across women who would give
those insights and they were

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such compelling insights.
They said, you know, I caught a

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glimpse of myself in the
rearview mirror in my car and I

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thought, who the heck is that?
And they were startled.

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Or they put on a long sleeve
shirt and their hand comes out

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and they're like, whose hand is
that?

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Like they don't even recognize
who it is anymore.

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And to your point, it's it's a
loss of identity.

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Like, Oh my God, I've just
turned into my mother.

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I thought my mother was sitting
behind me, but you know, almost

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turned around and thought that.
And there, there is something

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about wanting to remain vital
and this identity of this person

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that had more energy, that had
more abilities and, and things

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like that.
Because there is an impression

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that we have internalized and
let's be honest, we have

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internalized and society has
reinforced that when people age

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and they start to get the scowl
lines or they start to get the

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elevens between the brows, they
start to look angrier or not

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happy.
You yourself might feel so

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vibrant and youthful and happy
and wonderful inside, and

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there's a mismatch between what
skin is showing and what you

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feel inside.
And by the way, listeners, if

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you are finding this
conversation helpful so far,

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then please stay with us because
we're going to start talking a

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little bit more deeply about
what actually works differently.

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Doctor Natalia, if trying harder
isn't the answer, if adding more

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isn't the answer, what is?
The more supportive shift that

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women can make to restore energy
and feel at ease again without

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turning this into to another
project.

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What's that look like in daily
life?

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So it looks very different for
everybody.

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So I know some of my clients,
they get frustrated with me

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because again, I'm not going to
give something specific.

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I'm not going to tell you you
should wake up at 5:00 AM and

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then go for a run at six and
then you should have that green

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smoothie juice and blah, blah,
blah.

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It could be a great idea for
someone, it probably not for

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you.
So you just try yourself and

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ultimately you do you.
You can take advice of some, you

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know, social media Wellness, but
don't take it as a script.

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Play with it.
Life is overall it's a fun dance

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and play.
So you just kind of look at it

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as such.
And even aging, I hate the word

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anti aging.
One of my really good friends,

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she called it you think so let's
call it you think.

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And so if you are, you think,
but you're not really feeling

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00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,240
like yourself, you really feel
dreadful.

457
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,720
Let's say that the first thing
let's establish we're not really

458
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,360
fighting aging.
What we really want to do, we

459
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,880
want to re establish feeling of
safety within our body because

460
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,800
our body changed.
So how do you cultivate safety?

461
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,680
You do it by activating your
parasympathetic nervous system,

462
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,400
which is that rest and that just
nervous system.

463
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,760
And then there's a different
thing.

464
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,640
So you can do like for example,
I can just give you a couple

465
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,200
tiny little shortcuts.
If you do feel stressed, and I'm

466
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,600
I'm sure you already done this,
deep breath is the number one

467
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,920
easiest thing you can do.
You can do it, you know, sitting

468
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,880
at your desk, you can hide in
the car or hide yourself in the

469
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,120
bathroom if you want a busy
corporate office.

470
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,480
Just take that 2 minutes of a
deep, deep breath and that still

471
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,720
doesn't work for you.
Another thing you can do, it's

472
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,120
what I call the horsey lips.
So hopefully I'm not going to

473
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,040
trigger my microphone doing
this.

474
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,480
But what you do, you just exhale
really forcefully and you bubble

475
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:59,080
your lips as you do this and as
you do that, yes.

476
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,800
And as you do that, all of a
sudden you feel lighter.

477
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,000
I know, does feel good, isn't
it?

478
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,320
And then if you're not wearing
like running mascara, another

479
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,400
thing you can do is flush your
face with a really, really cold

480
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,440
water, not lukewarm.
I'm talking icy cold.

481
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,680
That will not just going to
stress you out or make you awake

482
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040
or any.
It's actually calms you down

483
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,280
surprisingly.
So those tiny little shortcuts.

484
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,920
And as I mentioned earlier, the
body loves predictability.

485
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,680
So whatever your routine is,
your favorite skin care

486
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,680
products, your night bath or
shower that you take before bed

487
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640
or reading before bed, try to
stay away from blue lights

488
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,680
because we know it's a fact in
your cortisol.

489
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,640
We talked about it, but it
doesn't have to be long

490
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,520
excessive list, but it's
something that you do every day.

491
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,120
I always tried to talk to
mothers in the room and say,

492
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:53,240
remember when those babies were
born, nobody taught them how to

493
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,040
sleep.
We had to teach them how to

494
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,880
sleep and how do we do this?
We established some kind of

495
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,880
routine and then once it worked,
once you know, and again for

496
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,680
mothers who had multiple
children, they know what work

497
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,160
for older child might not work
for younger ones.

498
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,000
So you do the separate routine
for another human because we're

499
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,480
all genetically different with
different individuals.

500
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,960
But once you find that magic
juice that make you relax, make

501
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,920
you get in your body, so then
you feel safe.

502
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,640
Remember the keyword is safety.
And then you just repeat it like

503
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,400
a clock.
This is your recipe.

504
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,000
And then, and that's how you
cultivate that Wellness, that

505
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400
true self-care that works for
you.

506
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,800
Yeah.
Hit subscribe right now for more

507
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,680
stories and inspiring
conversations with me.

508
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,200
Jennifer Norman, the host of the
Human Beauty Movement podcast.

509
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,360
I want to take a moment just to
let everybody know that, for

510
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,360
example, when we say make sure
you're getting enough sleep,

511
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:51,520
that used to irritate the hell
out of me because I'm a single

512
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,040
mom of a disabled boy who lives
on life support.

513
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,480
He has a ventilator and I was
his caretaker.

514
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,440
I continue to be his caretaker
and I am up multiple times a

515
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,920
night making sure that he is
alive, safe, well, cared for,

516
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,400
turned all of that.
And so when somebody said you

517
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,120
need more rest, you need to get
more rest.

518
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,520
And I would be like.
Fuck you.

519
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,400
You know, I was like.
I was like shut.

520
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,560
Up like you have no idea what
I'm going through.

521
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,480
So this is my message to you.
This is not a criticism.

522
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,480
Everything that we are saying
here we understand and that some

523
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,440
of this is just impossible given
your life situation.

524
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,840
And so that is why, you know,
we're here giving a bunch of

525
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,400
like maybe free tools or maybe
free ideas.

526
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,880
Take what you want, throw the
rest away.

527
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,400
Please feel free to comment and
let us know you know what parts

528
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,200
just don't work for you and what
parts do because that will help

529
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,320
you to see what actually can fit
in and is conducive and

530
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,840
convenient for you in your
current lifestyle and in in what

531
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,240
you're doing in your days.
The breathing part of it I do

532
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,800
actually love I because
everybody breathes.

533
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,240
Everybody can take a big deep
breath.

534
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,680
Do it with me right now.
Take that deep breath.

535
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,040
It takes a few seconds and it
can help you relieve the stress

536
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,800
that you might feel in that
moment, the horsey breath.

537
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,560
I think that those are
brilliant.

538
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,680
So thank you, Doctor Natalia,
for reminding us and for giving

539
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,040
us these new tools that I think
can fit into anybody's day, no

540
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,960
matter who you are, what you're
going through.

541
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,320
So just wanted to throw that in
there because, you know, we're

542
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,040
not about necessarily giving
like, you know, cookie cutter

543
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,280
advice.
That's never what we want to do,

544
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,000
what I want to do.
And it's one of the things that

545
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,080
I loved about Doctor, Yeah,
before we even met today.

546
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,520
Because it is so important that
this is this is your podcast.

547
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,080
This is your opportunity to
maybe, you know, try on

548
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,200
something that might fit a
little bit better and that you

549
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,040
can incorporate into your life.
Because we care about you so

550
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,640
much.
We want you to be well.

551
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,480
We want you to love yourself.
And we don't want self-care to

552
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,920
be yet another burden.
So instead of optimization, we

553
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,640
are talking about conducive
regulation.

554
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,960
Instead of control, we're
talking about safety.

555
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,320
Safety.
This is a completely different

556
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,600
paradigm, right?
OK, yes, so let's talk about

557
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,240
self trust and something about
identity then a little bit of

558
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,040
what we talked about before.
Because when women understand

559
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,000
what's happening biologically,
when they stop blaming

560
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,880
themselves, when what changes
and all these things, how

561
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,680
they're moving through midlife,
you know, what does aging with

562
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,400
self trust rather than fear
actually feel like?

563
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,720
How will somebody know if
they're moving in the right

564
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,040
direction, Doctor Natalia?
That's really ultimate goal, and

565
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,760
I wish absolutely every woman to
arrive there.

566
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,240
It does takes a lot of practice
and patience, which

567
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,440
unfortunately we got conditioned
for so long not to truly trust

568
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,600
our own body and our own
intuition.

569
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,680
And in this noisy world, it
comes from the moment.

570
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,760
Of course, it does come from
understanding your body to

571
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,080
really understanding and
normalizing the emotions you're

572
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,520
experiencing.
Normalizing that yes, maybe

573
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,240
someday you will be irritable
and understanding.

574
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,960
And yes, you might go through
the little weight loss, weight

575
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,720
gain swings.
All of that is a part of the

576
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,400
journey of transitioning into a
new woman post menopause.

577
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,440
As you're going through this
process, once you understand

578
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,320
what's normal, what's not, you
found the physician you trust

579
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,920
who has that great dialogue with
you explaining you the hormonal

580
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840
shifts, how it's affecting your
memory, your mood, eating

581
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,400
yourself, perception.
And from that moment of

582
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,960
knowledge and the moment with
the stillness and safety within

583
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,280
your body, that's how you
cultivate the self stress

584
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,520
because now you don't have grade
of symptoms, you're experiencing

585
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,400
hot flash.
Well, unless you start taking

586
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,880
estrogen, you kind of laugh at
it.

587
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Like, all right, that's it.
My hypothalamus, it's actually

588
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,440
fighting with my estrogen.
It's recalibrating my

589
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,720
temperature right now.
So here comes the hot flash.

590
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Maybe I'll wear just a lighter
clothing.

591
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Maybe I'll wear waterproof
mascara so just my face doesn't

592
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,880
melt.
So you kind of have a little bit

593
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760
more.
So compassion, support, little

594
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,400
humor and time, that's how you
cultivate that.

595
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,120
The ultimate Southwest.
I love that the self compassion

596
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,680
and the humor, especially the
gentleness and the kindness that

597
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,720
you can show to yourself is
everything because it will

598
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,160
reflect on the way that you show
up in the world for your family,

599
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,720
for your loved ones, for
colleagues, and you know,

600
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,720
showing them a bit more grace
and kindness too.

601
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Because if we're so hard on
ourselves and we criticize

602
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,600
ourselves, we're not so great to
be around.

603
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,280
We're.
You.

604
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,520
Know if we're miserable.
People.

605
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,240
No one.
Wants to be miserable, right?

606
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,840
We all want to be happy.
We all want to have joy.

607
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,520
And so that sense of humor and
that self compassion goes such a

608
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,520
long way.
It really does.

609
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,880
And that kindness, that self
love, which is not self-care,

610
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,000
which is not monitoring and
checking and making sure and

611
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,200
guilting ourselves.
If we're, if we think that we've

612
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,560
caught ourselves, it's, it's
being like, oh, Dang, I didn't

613
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,200
go to the gym yesterday or Dang,
I'm too tired to make dinner.

614
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Oh well, you know.
No, that becomes your favorite

615
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,560
catch phrase.
Oh well.

616
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Yes, yes, I love it.
Oh well, you know, yesterday was

617
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,880
yesterday, today is today, today
I'm going to do me.

618
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480
And Speaking of gym, you know,
as much as I'm a big advocate of

619
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,160
exercise, I try not to use the
scary word exercise with women

620
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,320
because many of them so allergic
to it.

621
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,200
You know, like you allergic to
or the sleep, right.

622
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,520
So I just say movement, do
something that gives you joy.

623
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Maybe it's dance, maybe it's, I
don't know, doing dishes.

624
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Maybe it's doing lunches when
you vacuum.

625
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Maybe it's running after your
kids or running with a dog.

626
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,800
There doesn't have to be
something specific.

627
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,040
It doesn't have to be that sexy
yoga class that's everybody

628
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,480
going to.
If you hate it, don't do it.

629
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,680
A lot of us are so sedentary.
We sit at death.

630
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,680
There's almost like this sitting
epidemic.

631
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,840
And so movement is so beautiful
because it could be standing up,

632
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520
it could be, you know what, I'm
going to take a breath and go

633
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,640
get a glass of water or taking
the stairs or something like

634
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,680
that.
Getting your body up and out of

635
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,000
the chair, doing 10 air.
And if you feel a little bit

636
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,200
more compelled, then you can
stand up and do 10 air squats.

637
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,600
Just that.
And that's your exercise for

638
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,400
that day.
And that's beautiful.

639
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440
At least there's a little bit of
movement built in that's above

640
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,680
and beyond what you used to do,
and it's keeping your joints

641
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,360
resilient.
Yes, yes, it's a beautiful

642
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,120
thing.
Well, Doctor Natalia, where can

643
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,880
people learn more about what you
do, your website, all of that

644
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,760
good stuff?
But you can find us on social

645
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,640
media and on Instagram.
The social media handle is

646
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Unveil U dot Live, same as our
website WWW.

647
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,040
At Unveil U dot Live, it's an
educational platform.

648
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,320
We are trying to download as
many free resources as possible,

649
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,520
but it is a new part.
So there's a lot of things

650
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,480
that's still under construction.
But yes, we're trying to build

651
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,480
this beautiful forum so women
can ask questions and we can

652
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,679
have those great conversations
and kind of discuss the hot

653
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,280
topics that most women don't
even want to talk to their

654
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,600
girlfriends or even the doctors
with.

655
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,920
Otherwise, I am writing a book
which is still not published

656
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,880
yet.
It's in the hands of a

657
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,080
publisher, but it's probably
going to take another month

658
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,320
until it's ready for pre sale.
So just go to our website at

659
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,920
mvlu dot Life and then just put
on the mailing list so once we

660
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,000
have it on the pre sale, you'll
be the first to know.

661
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,800
Amazing, amazing and I love that
on Unvalue you have courses,

662
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,760
they're self-guided video
courses that people can go

663
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,560
through.
Can you tell us an example or

664
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,800
two of what you offer there?
So 3 courses, there's a three

665
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,320
core courses.
My favorite is Beyond the Mirror

666
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,320
because I'm all about the
psychology and it's all about

667
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,480
your relationship with your own
reflection.

668
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Because as you mentioned
earlier, we are so self.

669
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,400
And unfortunately, as we go in
through perimenopause and our

670
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,720
progesterone estrogen drops,
that self critic gets extremely

671
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,560
loud because we're losing a
buffering of those beautiful,

672
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,920
very sooty female hormones.
So if you feel very self

673
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,680
critical during perimenopause
and menopause, take a deep

674
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,800
breath.
It's normal.

675
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,560
But then there's the things,
there's the tools, meditations

676
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,000
you can do to recognize that and
reconstruct that self talk.

677
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Because ultimately all that self
talk is something that you learn

678
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,840
and you can always unlock.
The second course is all about

679
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,240
the aesthetic medicine.
It's quite popular because

680
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,200
people love asking questions.
What is the Botox score?

681
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,800
What does it do, what it doesn't
do?

682
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,800
So it's just educational
information.

683
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I never promote any treatments
because I don't even do it in my

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own clinic.
My goal is to give women tools,

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00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,120
help them understand what the
tools do and what meaning they

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add to the tools.
The reason they apply the tools,

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it's up to them.
On the last course, it's also

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00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,600
quite popular.
It calls Aging Unveiled and it's

689
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,160
all about biology and aging.
What's happening through your

690
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,200
body.
What is collagen elastin?

691
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,200
You know, what is this
biohacking?

692
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,960
How many supplements you're
supposed to take?

693
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Do you even need to take
supplements?

694
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,200
So just answering questions like
that.

695
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,880
Oh beautiful.
Well, thank you so much and

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everybody beautiful humans.
I want to reflect back something

697
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,960
to you as you're listening right
now because really today's show

698
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,720
was not about abandoning
self-care.

699
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,680
It's about how you can evolve
it.

700
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,640
Because we we've been taught
that midlife is something that

701
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,720
you should fight against tooth
and nail.

702
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,320
That aging is decline.
Exhaustion means we're not

703
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,920
disciplined enough.
But this is not your body

704
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,320
failing you.
It's asking for a different kind

705
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,360
of partnership from you.
Maybe it's less performance,

706
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,440
less regulation, less
surveillance and more safety.

707
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:01,080
Midlife isn't a breakdown.
It is a recalibration and maybe

708
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,040
the most radical form of beauty
at this stage is self trust,

709
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,320
understanding your biology,
honoring your nervous system,

710
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,080
releasing that idea that you
have to earn your radiance.

711
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Dr. Natalia, I want to thank you
so much for being my guest today

712
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,800
and helping us see that aging
isn't something that we should

713
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,520
fear, but it's something that we
can understand.

714
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,240
And to everybody listening, if
this conversation resonated with

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00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,680
you, share it with a woman who
needs relief instead of another

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00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,080
checklist.
Remember, beauty was never meant

717
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,760
to be a performance.
It was always meant to feel like

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00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,280
coming home to yourself.
I'm Jennifer Norman, and this is

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the Human Beauty Movement.
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00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,320
episode.
Thank you for listening to the

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Human Beauty Movement podcast.
Be sure to follow, rate, and

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00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160
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00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,600
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00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,800
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727
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,760
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