Your Body Knows You're Stressed Before You Do | Daniel Zavrel, Ep 224

Jennifer Norman:
It's a fact. Our culture celebrates productivity, achievement, and pushing through, but very few of us are taught how to listen inward. Today, we're going to explore why so many successful people secretly feel exhausted, why resilience isn't about becoming tougher, and how reconnecting with your body may be the missing key to clarity, purpose, and peace. My guest, Daniel Zavrel, is the founder of Consciouz and the creator of the Consciouz Scan Method. For more than 30 years, he has helped executives individuals, peace officers, and professional athletes regulate stress, build resilience, and perform at their highest potential, not by pushing harder, but by becoming more aware. His work combines heart coherence, mindfulness, breathwork, coaching, and mind-body awareness to help people move from survival mode into conscious performance, where success and wellbeing no longer compete, but work together. We'll even do something we've never done before on this podcast, a live body and mind scan, so you can experience Daniel's work right alongside me. So now let's give Daniel a warm welcome to the show.

Jennifer Norman:
Hi there, Daniel. Welcome.

Daniel Zavrel:
Well, thank you so much, Jennifer, for having me. And what a beautiful introduction. I think only Americans can do this that way.

Jennifer Norman:
Well, I'm delighted that you're pleased. And it's really just a reflection of your work, which is pretty incredible. Because, you know, we hear so much about high performance these days. But one thing that really stood out to me is that you use this phrase, conscious performance. Help us understand what you mean by conscious performance and why it's such an important distinction.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, thank you so much. Well, most people act unconscious. And we, we just go on autopilot and sometimes that's good, but sometimes it isn't. And because becoming conscious, for example, about your thoughts is a thing which so many people are not. And like we have on one, on a day, we have 60,000 to 80,000 thoughts. Right. So we tell our self-talk is 500 to 600 words in a minute. It's amazing, isn't it?

Jennifer Norman:
Wow.

Daniel Zavrel:
So that's our inner dialogue. And research has shown that about 70 to 80% of all these words are non-empowering or even disempowering words, which we tell ourselves. And for example, to becoming more conscious step by step about your inner dialogue and moving from weak talk to inner strong talk. That's just one example of being conscious, being conscious of your body, of your breathing, of your presence. And that's something you can practice, which I also learned, like with top athletes. And it's also becoming conscious about your patterns and your habits. And because then if you can change, like James Clear calls them atomic habits.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
If you change like 1% at a time, for example, let's say you are— you have to learn to listen better. And if you say, if you promise yourself, I will get better in listening 1% a day, and then at the end of the year, And you are a 37 times better listener. Wow.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow. I think that a lot of people who have heard of David Goggins, for example, I think he might be the classic one who is very overt about being very negative about the way that he talks about or to himself because he finds that very motivating. And he's Navy SEAL, very, very high performer. And I know that a lot of athletes do that too, a lot of high-performing individuals. use this negative self-talk as a way for them to strive and to stay hungry or to keep in the hustle. What do you think is wrong with that? And they may be conscious of it, but they necessarily feel like it's something that they need to do to get ahead. What do you find is not the great thing about doing that?

Daniel Zavrel:
Depends. If it really works for you and you do it consciously, well, it could be a bit— it could be a good thing in some situations. But as I also scan a lot of athletes and high-performing people, and we will just show you that it can also deplete your energy because if you're acting too much on willpower and let's say your heart is already on a certain threshold, and then you can deplete your energy or your mental energy. So it's always like staying as much as you can in the zone. And for example, let's, let's talk about tension. And you need between 40 and 70% of tension to perform well, to produce enough adrenaline to be very sharp.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
If you produce too much tension, and then you will deplete your energy. And so if it's really on willpower constantly by this negative talk, pushing, pushing, pushing, and then it's not a flow anymore, and then it could not be authentic anymore because you're operating out of a certain image or thing. And many times it's based on insecurity and that you feel insecure that you start to overperform. You have CEOs I scan or coach so much, so many insecure overperformers, which actually are not connected to themselves because they're very insecure. And I think in that way also the spiritual dimension, the mindfulness dimension comes in to find that inner strength, that inner balance, that inner being, yeah, good enoughness, so to say.

Jennifer Norman:
Right, right. I think that when we are trained as young people to act a certain way, or we might be chastised for not fitting in or doing things correctly, it's a way of socialization. What tends to happen is that we do internalize some of those things that we hear, and that then becomes that self-talk that we are potentially unconscious of. It's almost like you have that voice that's sitting right near you saying like, oh, you did that wrong, or you screwed that up. And what ends up happening is, to your point, you do become very internally insecure. I know that that was something that I suffered with for years and years as a young person. And maybe the willpower when you're young and you have more energy is something that you can sustain for a period of time.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
But then as you get older, I think that's where people start burning out and then you have a crash and then something happens to your body where it's just like, I just can't take it anymore. Some sort of spiritual crisis tends to happen because all of a sudden your body, your mental agility just isn't able to retain or to be able to keep up with a lot of the pressure that we tend to put on ourselves. And then we go asking for help from other people and from professionals such as yourself as to say, what did I do? What happened? What went wrong? Do you find Do you think that that's something where maybe young people might be able to take it a little bit more, and then we come to a place where we just are not willing to put up with it anymore, or that the body gives out? What happens?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, that's such a beautiful question. Well, this is an example of a quite famous actor. I will not mention the name right now in this specific example. It's an American actor, and he at a certain moment became very depressive in his life, and he's seen so many therapists and and doctors and psychologists. But yeah, actually it didn't work for him, yeah, the way he expected it. So at a certain time, he heard about an English hypnotherapist and he thought, okay, well, let's give it a shot. And so she came over from England, but she was warned from this actor in advance, like you shouldn't hire a Porsche, which is a very expensive car. because he didn't like Porsches.

Daniel Zavrel:
And he was living in this huge villa in California. And so she came over to him and, well, she did rent another car, beautiful sports car, and she arrived there and he was so grumpy all the time. And yeah, the car was okay, which she came, and then this was not good and that, and it went on and on and on. And then they sat down to have a chat. And he went on with grumbling and really nasty talk. And then after about 5 minutes, she said, okay, stop. And this guy, this famous actor, really was stunned by, what do you mean, stop? None of those therapists have ever said that to him. And then she said, I already see what's the problem here.

Daniel Zavrel:
And he was totally amazed. You are not good enough. So you feel you're not good enough. And those simple words just hit him in the heart. And he started crying like a child as never before. And she dared to save him because she was— she just saw a famous actor. She didn't bother. It was just her as a professional helping.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then she said, okay, go out and have a walk for about 10 minutes. And in those 10 minutes, she took her lipstick and on every mirror in the house she wrote, I am good enough. I am good enough. And that's the mantra he had to repeat. And this is something what so many people suffer, not being good enough. And that's where the overperforming to the outer world starts and where also a lot of depletion of energy. So I coached, for example, players of PSV, which is one of the top 3 soccer teams in the Netherlands. And I saw the same pattern there.

Daniel Zavrel:
You see these healthy guys, but in their psychoemotional pattern, was also this, generally this deep insecurity. And that's the voice from the youth. Also, as you were when you were very young, as just you were explaining, when you don't have a look at it consciously and step by step transform and also learn to give yourself confidence. And because self-confidence only comes with celebration of success. And this can be small successes, like you had a certain grade in school or you had a great talk with a client. So it doesn't necessarily have to be that you win the World Cup in the championship of soccer. Could be a small victory. But as long as you don't praise yourself for it or that you really stand still by that success, you will not grow in self-worth and self-confidence.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then that voice of not being good enough will stick too much.

Jennifer Norman:
Interestingly enough, I think that a lot of coaches and people who work with very, very high-performing individuals are the first to say you have to be so careful When somebody doesn't believe that they're good enough and they use that as motivation to succeed and they become the top or at towards the top of their career, of course, they're probably still looking at others who have broken records that are higher than them. And so they're comparing themselves upward and saying, I'm still not good enough. And so it continues to help them strive for this level of excellence that they're seeking. If you start to unravel what makes them successful, Then it could essentially start unraveling a whole lot of other things in their lives. It may cause them to be maybe mentally a little bit more healthy and maybe less sad or upset or with other people and get along with their relationships, but it may cause them to not be as successful in that thing that they were hoping to be successful at. How do we balance those things? How do we start to untangle all of the debilitating things that we say to ourselves? Yet it creates this level of outward success when inside we're just dying. We hate ourselves. We loathe ourselves.

Jennifer Norman:
We are mean and angry to other people around us because this is something that is a driving force in our lives. What do we do? How did we get so disconnected and how can we continue to perform at wonderful levels, but do it with joy and with enthusiasm?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. Well, I think, are you operating from fear? or from love. That's the whole key, isn't it?

Jennifer Norman:
Right.

Daniel Zavrel:
And when you're not good enough, then there's the fear of not being good enough. And that's actually— and of course you can strive to certain levels, but only so far, because when you're operating out of love and of self-worth and of self-confidence, then you can strive much further. So I think it's kind of an illusion that you have to do all these things to strive further. You can easily and more out of a flow, flowing way, also strive for the best version of yourself. I think this is really key.

Jennifer Norman:
I know in my life when I used to have such negative self-talk and such self-loathing, it really led me down a place of depression because it did ruin a lot of relationships that I had. I was a workaholic, I was a perfectionist. And I heard an interesting quote, which was that Being busy or being a perfectionist is actually a trauma response because we're just striving, striving, striving. And it usually is in order to overcome something that is deep-seated within us, like we're not good enough and something that we really believe. And as soon as I felt okay with myself, it was so liberating. It felt so completely different. And I was able to design my life in such a way that I would've never have dreamed of before. And it was definitely risky.

Jennifer Norman:
It was something that was definitely off the beaten path, but yet it's so joyful and it's so much different now because I was able to take a risk and say, you know what, I would rather operate from a place of love and from a place of joy and enthusiasm rather than beating myself up every day and then having this negative impact on everybody around me.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, sure. In itself, like such a journey as you experienced is very enriching. So it's not— it's okay to not feel okay at times. Of course, it's not that you also have to be this blissful person all the time, because I wasn't either. I mean, I suffered from severe insomnia for years and years when I was deep down in this insecure place. I was— when I was 3 years old, I was— parents separated. And I was brought to an orphanage in the Netherlands and it was really traumatic for me. Uh, so it took me a lot of work to, yeah, work on that inner insecurity.

Daniel Zavrel:
And it actually put me on a high spiritual path. So that's, uh, doing the inner work. And in the end it can, yeah, also be like making wisdom from wounds, from wounds to wisdom.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
So that's, it's not, uh, in itself, of course everybody is in In a process. But step by step, you can transform those wounds, become conscious about them, and then make a little bit more wisdom of it. Life on Earth simply is a challenge. It's not so easy. It's a very challenging place. I've heard spiritual teachers say that, like, if you just assume there might be other alien intelligent life out there, that they look at people who are incarnate on Earth really as heroes. And they say it's one of the toughest places to develop yourself as a soul. And they also say that you learn about 10 times faster here than, let's say, in, in a kind of ethereal sphere, because it's in the material world.

Daniel Zavrel:
So everybody who listens in itself is a hero just by being incarnating on this planet. Of course, it's a beautiful planet as well, but it is challenging. And so Act compassionate for, to have compassion for yourself is really, really important.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah. Well, that's really very interesting. And I'm glad that you brought that up because I think we do owe ourselves a bit of credit for getting through and surviving and finding those glimmers of happiness where we can and meeting folks like you who can help us to see the way as far as becoming more conscious rather than living unconsciously and unhappily. So I would love at this moment, I think that the best way for people to understand your work may not necessarily be just to explain it, but to also experience it. So I would love for you to guide us through a live conscious body and mind scan. Would you do that for us?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yes, absolutely. So I'm going to share my screen now. So can you see my screen now, Jennifer?

Jennifer Norman:
I can. And it's got my name on there.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. So I already have your name here. And so what we're going to do now is so we can do this body-mind scan actually in 3 ways. So when a person would be live with me, I would use a so-called biophoton trigger sensor, which looks like a headphone. But like 95% of all the body-mind scans I do on distance with people from all over the world, and then they can send, for example, a piece of hair or nail. And then to have it medically certified, I use this medically certified cell analysis box. But generally, I do use a photo. I like— I have your photo here.

Daniel Zavrel:
Can you see it?

Jennifer Norman:
Uh-huh.

Daniel Zavrel:
Okay. Well, so that's for many people surprising. So how can you have all this information from a photo? And well, I want to, before we dive into the scan, maybe is it okay that I explain a little bit about that?

Jennifer Norman:
Please.

Daniel Zavrel:
Well, of course, you're American, you're living in California. So in the early days, when the Indians roared the land of North America, When they were being photographed, as photography was being developed, and when they saw that, they would run away. Like they were really scared that their soul would be taken by this photo. That was very— and in a way, your soul is never being taken by photo, but your information absolutely is stored. So the whole information of your whole being is stored in a photo. And why is that? Um, well, that's when we— I'm also a yoga teacher from, uh, the Iyengar yoga tradition. And in the yoga philosophy, we don't have one body. We have actually 7 bodies.

Daniel Zavrel:
So we have our physical body, then we have our etherical body, which is being used with acupuncture, for example. Have you ever experienced, Jennifer, have you ever done acupuncture?

Jennifer Norman:
Yes. Yes.

Daniel Zavrel:
Then you can feel the electricity of the needles sometimes in the meridians. So that's our etherical body. It's our energy body, actually. Then one layer more subtle is our emotional body. That's where all our feelings and emotions are stored. Even more subtle is our astral body. That's when you fall asleep, you fall from your physical body into that astral body. And in the astral body, you can travel everywhere, like to the moon, to the sun, and you process all this information.

Daniel Zavrel:
This is also the area where, for example, dogs and cats can see spirits around them, which we cannot perceive because they act on a different frequency. But they have the ability with their senses to really detect it, that they, for example, can see like a deceased person in the room, which we cannot, for example, which is there to help you or give you energy or whatever. And then you also have the next body is what we call the intellectual body. Yeah, where all our, yeah, let's say imprints are stored. Then the causal body, which is, which we say the karmic body with all the good things, but also things you still have to work out. And then the highest body is what they call the Ananda body, the golden body, the way you are one with everything. And that's pure ecstasy. And it's when, for example, let's say something weird is when you're experiencing orgasm.

Daniel Zavrel:
for example, you go to this ecstasy body, to this what they call the Ananda body, and that's your nature. So our nature is a bliss beyond words. That's what we are. And unfortunately, drugs like ecstasy, for example, and to be honest, when I was young, I've done some ecstasy and it was a beautiful experience at those times, but I did it only like 2 or 3 times because I thought, hey, this can be really addictive, so I have to stop now.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
Because it brings you with a kind of force. It forces you through all these energy bodies to this Ananda body. And then you have this real high ecstasy, but it's your natural state. And so that's why a spiritual process brings you there step by step, and that you can grow into this natural state of bliss. So, and all these bodies together is what we call your bioenergy field. And it works with light frequencies. And so, for example, as we are sitting here now, there are trillions of processes operating in our body. And that happens with biophotons, light frequencies.

Daniel Zavrel:
And because the speed of blood is way, way, way too slow to explain all these trillion processes, as is the nervous system speed. So then this German professor, Fritz Albert Popp, discovered the phenomenon of biophotons. And it means that actually we literally are light beings. So every organ talks with each other. The heart talks with the brain, the brain with the heart and with the liver. And they all send information on a certain frequency, a certain radio frequency with light frequencies. For example, the liver is on 4.9 Hz, the brain is on 8.2 Hz, the bone is on 8.8 Hz. And so everything has its own frequency, which can be balanced or disbalanced because of stress, for example.

Daniel Zavrel:
Well, this is something we can all detect from a photo quantum physically, and that's called quantum entanglement. Have you ever heard about that?

Jennifer Norman:
Can you explain it though for our listeners who are not as familiar?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, so quantum entanglement means that 2 particles which were ever connected will be forever connected. And so let's say I put a piece of hair in you in this cell analysis box and you are in California. I'm here in the Philippines right now. So there's a huge distance between it. But in quantum physics, distance is not an issue at all, as is in time, because the information is entangled forever. So same here with a photo. So the information in your photo is entangled with your quantum bioenergy field. So if I put it in this cell, analysis box, I'm measuring you here very accurately in the here and now.

Daniel Zavrel:
So what I will do now, I will put your photo in the cell analysis box and then we start again. Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
What is the cell analysis box? What is it actually doing and what's going on?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. So this is a medically certified German technology. So before explaining that, so first steps of this technology were developed actually for elite forces of the US Army.

Jennifer Norman:
Oh.

Daniel Zavrel:
And on Stanford University. So this, that were the first steps. But it was in the Cold War with a lot of espionage and espionage, counterespionage between the USSR and the US. And then the Russians put it a little step further and they used it for their cosmonauts to prevent them from becoming ill because it's very costly to get a cosmonaut out of space, let's say an ulcer, a stomach ulcer. So they, they want to develop a technology which could detect already in a very early stage, disbalances in the bioenergy field, which could manifest into a disease. And therefore they, they developed this project. It was— they invested billions and billions into it. And after the walls went down, it came to Germany, and the Germans, yeah, further developed it and, yeah, also medically certified it.

Daniel Zavrel:
So the cell analysis box with biophotons measures your whole body, as you can— we'll see in a moment. So we can scan your brain, your stomach, your liver, up to the DNA level. And it's a medically certified mini laboratory, so to say. It's connected with a database. You cannot see the database here, but it's a device, silver device, where all the magic happens, where all the data are stored. And I'm on a laptop where the whole technology is. And together with that, I am able to scan your body-mind. Which I can do now.

Jennifer Norman:
I'm nervous.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's head to the scanner. So already put in your data, we did that before the show, and now we have the photo in the cell analysis box. So now we're going to do a quick scan.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay, and you've got it sorted out by male or female, I see.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, that's right. So we make a body-mind scan female now. And so let's start. I start with measuring the head. So just to explain a little bit, so it's, uh, it's measuring your head now. So what we see here on the screen is the stress load. In technical terms, this is called entropy. So everything in the world has a natural loss of energy and information.

Daniel Zavrel:
And so if you do not do maintenance on your house, it will become a ruin after so many years.

Jennifer Norman:
Yes.

Daniel Zavrel:
If you don't put energy in your relationship, it will become a ruin. So you always have to put some energy in it. So, and stress is actually a form of entropy, and it goes from 1 to 6. So the yellow suns, so to say, is optimal bioenergy. And so on those spots, the energy is optimal. The orange triangles here, that's also very good. That's active energy. So there you're very active, dynamic, using energy.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then the reverse triangle, the purple one, so to say, is a light form of stress, a light stress load. Then those squares with a 5 in it, that means a little bit more stress. And there could also be immune reactions. The immune system could be active. And then the black squares, it's exhaustion, local exhaustion on that certain tissue. And the value with a 1 in it here is regeneration.

Jennifer Norman:
Recovery.

Daniel Zavrel:
So there the tissues is having new energy.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then to the right corner, and there you have these 2 curves and we see 9 vertical lines. Those are organ areas. So I will show you in the camera just shortly. So every organ has, as just explained, its own frequency, let's say its own radio channel. And for example, here we have the liver, here we have the brain on 8.2 hertz, here So we have the muscles, and then the blue line is your income of energy. Like you have income of money.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
And by, um, doing exercise, by not smoking, by not drinking too much alcohol, by healthy nutrition, relaxation, good sleep, positive thinking. So that's your income of energy, Annabelle. And then the red line is your expenditure of energy, uh, by work, by having maybe negative thoughts, stress. Your digestion costs energy. And so in an ideal world, blue and red are totally balanced. Let's say yin and yang imbalance with blue on top of the red one. So as long as blue is above red, like here and here, you have enough energy. Where red goes a little bit above blue, then you lose some energy.

Daniel Zavrel:
In this case, it's not so— it's not a big energy loss. It's, you could say, it's a little bit mental activity going on, a lot of activity in your brain. And that's where you expend a little bit more energy now than your income of energy on that certain area. But we'll dive a little bit deeper into it. So here you see what, what we are scanning. So what I'm going to do now, I'm gonna scan the whole body and mind. In itself, that takes only 1 minute.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
And during that scan, I will be quiet because I will focus on what we see in the scan then. And then, um, I will just, uh, show you. So we do of course a mini scan in this, uh, session just to have a glance of what this technology can do. Are you ready to do the whole scan now?

Jennifer Norman:
I just wanted to ask a question about what I'm seeing, and I know that we can just do this. This is an abridged, everybody, ladies and gentlemen who are listening and watching this. I will tell those who are actually just listening in, I do encourage you to go to YouTube or over to Spotify where you can actually view the video because you will be able to see these charts and these scans and these pictures that Daniel is showing us. And so it's a really good way to really get the most out of this podcast. But I see that these different geometrical shapes and numbers are in different parts of the brain or in parts of the head. And so I was just curious if that is meaningful in terms of things to note or to focus on as far as where the stress might be in a good situation. And so it's like, yay, those are good, the yellows and perhaps the areas of regeneration, but then where the stress gets a little bit heavier in certain areas, is there pinpointing or a link to show what that means in those specific areas that you're you go over with your clients?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, you have the so-called Brodmann areas. So depicted the brain and they design, they, they know certain brain areas are related to certain patterns. Like here you have the prefrontal cortex and this is all about decision-making, planning. And this is generally, which is quite overloaded with people. With you, it's in a regeneration state here in a recovery state. And here we see it too. So that's very healthy. So that means at this stage in your prefrontal cortex, there's a lot of healthy energy going on.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
But I do see a lot of CEOs where I see like values of 5 or 6 there, and then they really have to consciously recover.

Jennifer Norman:
Areas of meltdown, ladies and gentlemen.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yes, that could, that could happen. For example, here you see the spine. And I see a lot of people which so irritated and they are very short-tempered. And then you would see like 5s and 6s here, like with all the stimuli which are coming to us and also with the radiation, the 4G, the 5G. And it's not the case in your— I see here nice 2 values and 3, but it's also like overstimulation for some people, which are really overloaded.

Jennifer Norman:
So after doing a lot of these scans, you can probably just pull up a mapping of this and know exactly what that person is going through.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, correct. Yeah, yeah, correct, correct. So that's— yeah, so that's why we need less time to go to the core of the case. So that's, that's true. Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
And then when we get over to the right where we've got the blue line, I'm just curious, those peaks where we've got the blue going on top of the red, can you tell me specifically what those vertical lines are associated with, just so that I know?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, so these are anatomical areas. These are organ areas. For example, 5.2 or 5.8 Hz is the pancreas. That's where insulin is being created. And generally, when you see a lot of red above blue there, there's some fear of the future. And generally, it's financial fear, because then our, our body produces this stress. It's like a tiger is hunting you. And then you produce adrenaline, and then you glucose to have a good run from this tiger.

Daniel Zavrel:
But then also the pancreas has to produce insulin to get that glucose into the cells. And when you have a constant stress, like let's say a fear, a financial fear of the future, then this will deplete your pancreas and then the lines will reverse. And then that means you have too much fear of the future. In your case, blue is still above red. So and there is some attention, like exactly what you're saying, yeah, the business health, but it's still healthy, it's still manageable. If it becomes too, too big or too deep, then it can reverse, then the red can go above blue, and then you lose too much energy. And then it's about that, it's the Consciouz scan, and Consciouz with a Z, yeah, it's a playful element, conscious scan. And so my company is called Consciouz with a Z.

Daniel Zavrel:
And that's very uncommon for people. It's just a play. Also in the Netherlands, you have a magazine called Happinez with a Z. It's just a playful, playful element. And just to become conscious, for example, about this pattern so you don't lose so much energy on the pancreas level. So what I can do now is I can resume the scan and it just takes 1 minute and you will see all organs passing, passing through the screen.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay. Fantastic.

Daniel Zavrel:
Ready for that?

Jennifer Norman:
I'm ready. I'm ready.

Daniel Zavrel:
All right, let's go.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay, here it comes.

Daniel Zavrel:
So here on top, you see what it's screening. So this is the whole rib cage from front. This is the kidney area, the abdominal cavity area. This is the lower body area, the pelvis, female, the skeleton. So I can, this is a pre-selected list, and I can, yes, scan all extra organs if necessary. This is the pancreas we just flew. So in your case, that's still quite good until so far. Actually, we see a quite balanced scan.

Jennifer Norman:
Hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
And you see the curves, and that's so nice about this method that we always say what we see. Yeah. In this case, we see quite a balanced scan. So you see the lung, the left lung is the only attention area until so far. So we can have a, a closer look, uh, in a minute. These are, these are the kidneys, the urinary bladder. So you see all these organs and we can scan very much also in depth. The heart area, very important.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
I think in I can see you are good in your passion. So there's some pressure in the arteries of the head. That's what I can see. This is the heart transverse plane, which is quite good.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow.

Daniel Zavrel:
And the lymphatic system, as well, also a very important part of the immune system, the lymphatic system. The thyroid, they also lose a little bit energy on the thyroid level, which is also part of the digestion system, of course. This is the hypothalamo-hypophyseal tract, the whole part of the psychoneuroimmune system. Some spinal nerves. This is the autonomic nervous system, man. It's such an important part with the accelerator and the brake. You see the brain, that's what I thought, what I said in the beginning. That's why you lose some energy.

Daniel Zavrel:
So your brain is highly active.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
And so the mental battery could use some recharging. So let's, we come to that in a minute. All right. So let's dive into it.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay. And so everybody knows I did not send any DNA directly to Daniel. I didn't send any hair or a thumbnail, anything like that, a fingernail or anything. This was all done from the photograph put into the cell analysis box that created this scan. So correct, I just want to let everybody know that this is where all this is coming from.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, correct. So we can see a little bit of atherosclerosis in the head, and this could be tension related. So for example, I will— let's first emphasize that this is a very good scan. I can see that you're living very consciously on many areas. And so we have very balanced organs, like let's say 80 or 90%. And so that's, uh, that's a good thing to say as well. So your basis is very good at the moment.

Jennifer Norman:
Amazing. Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. And then of course, to get to your higher level of balance, of performance, we can look into some areas. And this is what I see here, the atherosclerosis. for example, here in the arteries of the cerebrum. Can you see those? This is the arteries in the head. And so there's a kind of a stress, and we see this a lot with people in the West. I'm quite curious how it would be here in the Philippines, as people are so relaxed here. It's amazing.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, it's totally different than in the West. So they are waiting so patiently in a shop and always have time for things. They're really in the here and now. It looks— and what I've experienced from the Netherlands, the Netherlands is such a stressed country, always performing and doing like, I think, a little bit in the States as well and in most Western countries. So I see this a lot. So do you know the yoga pose, the shavasana, Jennifer?

Jennifer Norman:
Oh, that's when it's the corpse pose. Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
When you lay down flat and you're, that's my favorite pose of all time. Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. So, so that's one of the best ways to counteract this, uh, this picture of pressure in the arteries in the head. Mm-hmm. So I've, I've, I've coached a CEO of, uh, Philips in the Netherlands, which is a, which is a multinational. And he had it even like, uh, 10 times worse and also with red going totally above, um, blue. And he never learned to let go and to relax. So I gave him this assignment, do this corpse pose for 10 minutes a day. And he was very in a resistance mode in the beginning, but he did see the picture, he did see the scan.

Daniel Zavrel:
So unconsciously he thought, wow, this doesn't look good for my, uh, inner tension. So he did it, and after 2 weeks I scanned him again and it was all yellow, all back in balance. And so my advice for you would be pick corpse pose up, like do it the coming 2 weeks for pleasure. Yeah. And then put on some nice music and really let go of everything. You release the tongue, you release the skin, and you give everything to Mother Earth. Release the muscles, release the skeleton, so that in a total surrendering position, so that Mother Earth can carry you and that you are being supported by the universe. So it's something I would advice.

Daniel Zavrel:
You can also see here maybe what could be psychoemotionally depleting energy on that specific part. So let's have a look at that.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, so there's one energy and it could be of hopelessness. So I would encourage you, so when you're at home, or maybe something comes to mind right now, and just write the word hopeless. And then just feel with yourself on which area in my life could this play out now and could give me pressure? Is it the situation with your son? Is the situation with your company? Is the situation in the world? So what comes maybe to mind at first right now with you?

Jennifer Norman:
You know, I think that part of it, when if I were to think about where I sometimes feel like there is a sense of hopelessness, and I always try to um, to dissuade myself from feeling that way is about competition with AI, is about feeling like, okay, like the, the thoughts about what are humans going to do about work, about senses of fulfillment and things like that, if robots or if AI are going to do everything for us. And I think a lot of people are sensing that kind of nervousness and, and feeling like, well, no matter what I do, a robot or something is going to take over anyway.

Daniel Zavrel:
Oh yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
And so is just hopeless? Like, do I— like, is what I'm doing or what it is, what society is like leading towards kind of like a lost cause or a hopelessness? And so there is, I would say, that sentiment that does spark. And then I always try to flip it and say, well, you know, what can we do to address that then? You know, what can I do to showcase what the value of humanity truly is? But I think that that's something that I think about and that I sense in the ether, like people are contending with right now.

Daniel Zavrel:
Wow. Yeah, I totally understand that. Yeah. Okay. The second one I see is compulsive, like you're pressing yourself to do a certain thing in a certain way.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
How is that? How is that?

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, that can definitely be the case. It's a way to stay organized or a way to stay diligent and feeling like I'm on task. Or that I've got everything in order so that I can manage all of the different things that I have going on during the day.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, exactly. So in itself, that's a good thing. But when it becomes at the moment, it gives you a little bit too much pressure. So if you could be a little bit more flexible for yourself, like there's a saying, like going 3 times left is also going right.

Jennifer Norman:
Good point.

Daniel Zavrel:
So if you're flexible with yourself, there are more ways leading to Rome. So then you can relax yourself a little bit more. So then let's look into affirmations for this pressure. So what could be a more helpful thought is a new thought pattern. Pattern could be like, in perfect balance, I absorb life into myself. And joyfully, I take up the divine ideas in myself, which filled with breath and intelligence of life. This is a new moment. And so this could be a helping affirmation for you to release the tension in the head.

Jennifer Norman:
How interesting.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then what's also very important is to look into nutrients. And then I go back to the brain. So what could be a very quick way of nutrients to feed your brain to keep up with your high-performing work? And that I see here, nutrients. So this is really awesome about this technology. We can measure nutrition so 100% personalized. And that's, that's why it's so popular with athletes also. Like here in your, for your brain to operate on the highest level. Now we can see at the moment you are losing energy.

Daniel Zavrel:
Can you see that? Red is above blue in your brain.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
So we've seen a lot of balance in your body. So that's very good. But the brain is an attention point right now. So when we look at nutrition level, so lycopene is something which your brain really is starving for, so to say. And what is that? Lycopene belongs, like lutein or alpha-carotene, to the carotenoids. It's especially present in red fruits like tomatoes, papaya, watermelons, and rose hips, and provides these fruits with their color. So this is something which you can also use as food supplement. You can order it somewhere as a food supplement, and this will bring your brain on peak levels.

Daniel Zavrel:
Same is that your brain loves curcumin. Um, I think, uh, you know curcuma? You know what it is? It's this, uh, yellow herb from what they use a lot in India. It's very, very strong anti-inflammatory. So this is the second one. You can, for example, drink tea with fresh ginger and curcumin in and your brain will love it. And the next one is omega-3 fatty acids, which is, yeah, so important for the brain. And so I would choose a very good brand of omega-3 fatty acids. So those 3 are the most important ones on a nutritional supplement level.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
Does that make sense for you? Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
Yes.

Daniel Zavrel:
All right. And then also I can make a whole brain diet for you. So let's do that. It's, uh, just, uh, very quickly I make here foodstuffs, and then we have a whole food list, 100% personalized for your, for your brain. So, um, everything in green now here are superfoods for your brain. For example, a walnut. Yeah, is if you eat walnuts, it will, um, will feed your brain very quickly. But also, for example, anchovies, Um, let's say, yeah, apricot and mussels, all the things, spinach, shrimp.

Daniel Zavrel:
So everything in green here is superfoods.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
In blue is neutral. And like, let's say honey, there's a lot of good stuff in honey, but it's not such a superfood as something here in green, as for example, the spinach I just mentioned. And then in red are the ones you should really be a little bit careful. Uh, with, for example, gorgonzola cheese, uh, is, uh, very detrimental to your brain. Uh, we'll put out alcohol for a moment. Crème fraîche is very bad. Ham. So I see here a lot of, uh, to be cautious with pork, Greek yogurt, pork generally, uh, bacon.

Daniel Zavrel:
I don't know if you eat these kind of things like bacon.

Jennifer Norman:
Sigh. All of the things that I really love. Oh, that's okay. That's okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. So you have to be a little bit care. It's not that you may not ever eat it, but it's like the 80/20, uh, 80/20 rule. If your basis is like right for 80%, then now and then you can eat, of course, bacon, but not on a, on a regular daily basis. That will, that will be, uh, not so good for your brain.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then I can also look at food sensitivities, so where your brain can become very, uh, reactive, uh, to. That's the food sensitivities list. And that's, for example, in your case, soy sauce. And lobster is something you, um, you have to be careful with. Um, and also, for example, let's say apples. And some things can be in green in your other list, but when they also show up here, it means there's a certain ingredient. And it could be, for example, histamine. It could be, uh, for example, gluten in wheat.

Daniel Zavrel:
Where you react heavily on. So I will also put this list in, um, so yeah, I will send you a small report with the most important things for your brain in this case. Um, now for example, here we have, do you know the Bach flower remedies?

Jennifer Norman:
No, I've never heard of that.

Daniel Zavrel:
I think it might be more European, um, although you can order them online somewhere. For example, the sweet chestnuts. is important for you. When you feel anguish, the positive potential of sweet chestnut is solace. And it's also for the moments you feel cheerlessness. And it's made of flowers. So it's very, very strong stuff.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
Do you have something with gemstones? Minerals? Stones?

Jennifer Norman:
Yes.

Daniel Zavrel:
So for your brain, obsidian is very, very nourishing. So if you would wear a small obsidian in a necklace or around your wrist, wrist, or put it on your desk, or in your jeans, in the pocket of your jeans. That would be very beneficial for your brain, as is carnelian, also beneficial. And then, for example, you are also in the skin business, aren't you? In the beauty industry?

Jennifer Norman:
Yes, yes, I am.

Daniel Zavrel:
So just to show it, I can scan— I can here scan the face skin, for example. And then I can also see what kind of nutrients might be beneficial for your skin. Well, you're doing a great job with your skin, so there's not, not a depletion of any nutrition now for your skin.

Jennifer Norman:
All right.

Daniel Zavrel:
So you're doing a great job there. That's amazing. Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
My skincare must be working.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And if you would even improve it further, then you can use a multivitamin moisturizing cream, which could be good for your skin, but it's already doing, uh, very, very, very well. Uh, now for now I will, uh, keep the demo not too long. So it's, I think, to have an impression. So, but what I, I will do for you now, if you want, is to also, um, like becoming conscious of the patterns is the most important.

Daniel Zavrel:
So I'm also looking into a psycho-emotional pattern now, which could be cause of losing energy.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
So those are the behavioral characteristics. So let's have a look into it.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
So here, there are some unsolved old emotional problems, pangs of conscience, some anger at oneself, unrealistic fears concerning material and choice of direction. That could be the business health emphasizing a little bit too much. Might be more aware of the own limits so that drives herself not to the point of exhaustion. And this is just how I explain this. And now, um, and you're driving your brain a little bit too much to exhaustion. So I would advise you to consider your brain as an iPhone, which needs to be recharged now and then. And like the corpse pose is one example.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
What are, what are ways for you, Jennifer, to recharge your brain very fast?

Jennifer Norman:
What helps I think working out. I feel like some, you know, just kind of getting my mind off of things, getting away from the computer, getting out in nature and going for a walk and just feeling joyful and such gratitude for the beauty and the nature that is around me. That often feels like a mental cleanse. Wow.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, that sounds terrific. So yeah, that would be a very good thing for your brain to do at the moment.

Daniel Zavrel:
So last thing I'm checking here, and then I will balance your brain. Is there some sensitivity for 5G radiation? Do you have that around in California, 5G?

Jennifer Norman:
I think that's a big issue around here. A lot of people are highly concerned about 5G.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. So I can see also your brain. I generally, I myself, I'm very sensitive to electromagnetic radiation. So I use a device in analysis called Flow. I don't know if they have it in the States, but they must be— must have something similar. So I never leave my home without this device. So what it does, it transforms 5G, 4G, 3G, Wi-Fi into body and own healthy body frequencies. So you don't have the bad effects of this 5G.

Daniel Zavrel:
If I don't use it, I get blurred in my head, tension, I get tired really quickly.

Jennifer Norman:
Hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
And it's a very, very big invisible enemy for so many people, radiation. And like, there's this institute in Sweden which has calculated that we have 1 trillion more radiation now than 100 years ago. And our bodies are not just developed yet to cope with that so much. So protecting yourself, so don't wear your phone on your body. I don't know if you do it. Don't put it at night near your head. I don't know if you do that.

Jennifer Norman:
I neither confirm nor deny.

Daniel Zavrel:
No.

Jennifer Norman:
All right. Yeah, I, I for a while used to keep it in the other room and I've gotten unfortunately back to the habit of keeping it by my, on my nightstand. So yeah, it's a little bit too close, I'm sure.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, because it constantly communicates with the towers and it produces electromagnetic field. It's very strong and I can see your brain really suffers a little benefit from it. So put that phone please away, put it in the kitchen or in the bathroom, that if you can, if you're being called at night, which rarely happens I think, um, and then you can hear it still, but that it's not in your bioenergy field, or you put it on flight mode or whatever, but put it away and don't wear it too much on your body. I, I never wear it. So I had, I scanned this man and he had heart problems. And he was seeing about a second opinion with another hospital, but they couldn't find anything. And he had really severe heart problems. And then I made a body-mind scan of him, and I scanned his heart, and it was totally black and red above blue, and it was all 4G, 5G, and Wi-Fi.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then I asked him, do you wear your phone in your jacket? And like most men on work do, and they wear a suit and they put it in the jacket, and then the phone, which is a really big strong electromagnetic device voluntarily. They put it on their heart area like this, 8 hours a day, sometimes 10 hours a day.

Jennifer Norman:
And so think about that. Yeah, yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
This is about— we are talking about conscious, to become conscious. Well, this is also another example of becoming conscious electromagnetically. So I told them, please put this phone right away out of your Put it in a bag. Never wear it on your body again. He did. And 2 weeks later, I scanned him again. There was no problem. The hospitals were totally surprised.

Daniel Zavrel:
What happened? How at all? And yeah, it was just this radiation of his phone, which he wore voluntarily in his jacket like 10 hours a day, not being aware that your heart is electromagnetic. If you make an electrocardiogram, an ECG, It's electromagnetic energy. So you voluntarily choose to put a very strong device on your most vital organ 10 hours a day. I'm sometimes amazed about the level of unconsciousness on certain areas. Yes, it's amazing. And but at the same time, we need to be compassionate because, yeah, you know, you don't know as long as you don't know, because it's not being told by the commercials firms which earn a lot of money on these devices, of course. And let's be honest, there's a lot of good things in this phone. I use it every day, you use it every day.

Daniel Zavrel:
So, but not the negative effects. Just be aware of it so that you can treat it consciously. Then you can bear the fruits of the phone but not the negative things about it. So this is what I can see here in the brain. So now let's boost your brain if you want that.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
So I'm going to dive. So the consciousness is one part, but we can also really produce all kinds of helping frequencies in a biofeedback way. So I'm scanning in the brain now. And then we see here the neurocytes, which are the brain cells, go even further. And this is the DNA level of the brain. So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to do smart balancing. That means you will will receive the harmonizing frequencies, the healthy benchmark frequencies, in this case of the DNA of the nucleus. So let's do that.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then you see the curve here becomes more smooth again. And then we also already have 14% improvement on the DNA level. And now I'll do it on the neuroscience level, so the brain levels. And which is damaged, which is a little bit stressed because of the 5G, because of all the things we discussed. And here we already have 60% improvement. So everything which blinks here to the right has now improved, and this works very strong. Then I do the whole brain cortex of the brain hemispheres here. And now you see, this is the ideal curve of how a healthy brain would run.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
So we brought it back to balance. Of course, this is like a symptom treatment because it is advisable to do the yoga pose, to do the running, to keep out the phone, to do the brain food test. So work holistically with it. But this really will be a very strong brain boost for you. And then I do the whole brain here with the smart balancing.

Jennifer Norman:
So I have a question because I'm sure that a lot of people are, you know, if we just go back to what this is and how this mapping was created, I think there would probably be a lot of folks who are skeptical, which is It is perfectly normal and healthy for people to be a bit incredulous about. You got all of this from a photo being scanned and all of this was put in. How do we know this is true? How do we know? Because this seems so detailed. I mean, down to all the different basics. And when you're talking about DNA, I mean, that seems very, very, very specific. And now it looks like you say that you're doing brain balancing. And so how—

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
What does that necessarily mean? And, and what is happening? And how do you defend those that might say, you know, is this real or not?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, I totally get that. And I was very skeptical myself, to be honest, in the beginning. But when you see so many results, and when you pinpoint so very quickly to high-performing athletes, then, then you say, wow, this is really good. And when, of course, when I I've scanned myself so many times and helped myself and my whole family so much with this technology. But the essence is everything is energy and information. So this could be like the rethinking is we think in terms of matter, but in terms of energy. And when you go to the quantum level, so you see matter and then you go to the molecule, for example, in the brain, and then you go to the DNA level as we just saw. And when then you go to the atom level, and then you go to the nano level, which are the quarks, and then suddenly you come into this energy world where only you have particles.

Daniel Zavrel:
And it could be a particle or a wave in quantum physics. Everything could be a wave or a particle. If it becomes a particle, it can become matter. Otherwise, it stays in a non-manifested way. So everything is energy and information pulsing on a certain frequency. It's only math, mathematics. This whole system here is mathematics. It's all probability as well.

Daniel Zavrel:
Like, for example, if we calculate a nutrient, it's very, very simple. So it's a good question that you asked that. So, um, just to give you an example, so here we are in the autonomic nervous system, and, uh, well, let's calculate a nutrient for it. For example, you see for your autonomic nervous system vitamin C. So how does that vitamin C has a certain frequency in the autonomic nervous system. Here you see the lines, you in the right corner here, you see that?

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
That means that we, the, the system mathematically calculates, it's called spectrography. What, what will balance this pattern in autonomic nervous system? And you see every nutrients, the dashed lines, can you see this? Has its own frequency. And this is just mathematics. So it calculates, it measures your frequency of your autonomic nervous system or your brain as we just did, and it just compares it with this huge extensive database based on 50 years of research with measuring real people. Psycho— like for example in Russia, they could measure a whole hospital with liver patients and do extensive questionnaires on the psycho-emotion level, the Jungian psychology. And they could depict all these patterns and bring it back to frequencies. And like, so everything is energy and information. And if you use mathematics, this is very high advanced algorithmic mathematics.

Daniel Zavrel:
And this is a billionaire project. This is so extensive. Like for the cosmonauts, they didn't spare a coin. So they put so many effort and money in it, like 50 years. And it's, uh, it's all mathematics. So, and the higher the number here, for example, here you see a number 0.371. The closer to 0, the higher the probability that these frequencies match. I also can make, for example, what's called a virtual model.

Daniel Zavrel:
Then we see a combination of nutrients which have even a higher match. And this is all mathematics. So there's nothing fluffy about it. It's all science, but it's science on a very high level, on quantum physics level. And yeah, quantum physics is very, very interesting, but also very, very difficult. Like I did, I followed a course in quantum physics with Professor Pierre Capelle here back in the Netherlands. And he said, those who, who say that they understand quantum physics, they lie. Because I don't understand it at all.

Daniel Zavrel:
And he was the number one authority on quantum physics in the Netherlands. And that's because Einstein said that quantum physics is the language of God, like mathematics is the language of God. He said that physics transforms into metaphysics dimension. And that's when matter on a more subtle, subtle level, as we just discussed, transcends into energy and information. So there actually, quantum physics, there is no matter at all. Or if you would, the whole Earth could be brought back to a golf ball in matter, condensed matter. Everything else is space, and, uh, it's all waves and energy. And that's exactly what we are measuring with the photo, because again, all your information, all your frequencies are also stored in that photo.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay. So depending on the photo or depending on whether or not you've got something like an actual specific piece of DNA from the person, is there a higher level of accuracy if you actually have something physical from that person?

Daniel Zavrel:
It doesn't matter, it's the same? No, it absolutely doesn't matter. I've scanned this, I have it with me in Germany thousands of times. It's more like it's medically certified, I have to be honest. So So this is a medically certified device in Europe, in the EU. And to have it medically certified, yes, you do need a physical substance like a piece of hair or nail or blood or urine, which you put into this cell analysis box here.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
Now your photo is still in there and you put it in this. Yeah, you put it in here and then it becomes a mini laboratory and it's 100% certified medically. But a photo has 100% the same effect, but it's not medically certified then because you need a physical substance.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay.

Daniel Zavrel:
But most people are very pragmatic because they, all my clients, they know the photo is 100% as accurate as I would use a piece of hair and it's just more pragmatic. So they just email me a photo, I print it, I put it there. Otherwise they have to cut off a piece of hair or nail. They have to go to the post office. It has to be sent here to me. It takes longer. And absolutely 100,000%, it doesn't matter. It's just that it's not— that you need this medical certification label.

Daniel Zavrel:
But for the results, it's exactly the same. It's all quantum physics. So in quantum physics, time and space doesn't matter.

Jennifer Norman:
Does it matter what you're printing the photo on, the kind of substrate in order to put it in? Is there a specific kind of paper that you need to put into the scanner? It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't need the—

Daniel Zavrel:
No, the information is stored, yeah, just in the photo. So I do have a good printer with good high quality, but it doesn't matter. And it even doesn't matter if the picture is from now or from 10 years ago. Theoretically, I could even use a baby photo of you because in the quantum entanglement, time doesn't matter.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
Distance and space doesn't matter. It's all in the here and now, like infinite potentialities. And that's, that's the dimension. The quantum domain is a totally different domain than the matter domain.

Jennifer Norman:
So the software that you were just showing on the screen is connected to that device. It's feeding the hardware into the software, and that's giving the reading of all of those different things. And so you're able to diagnose. And so, so who actually manufactures the, the actual device and who makes the, the software?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, so I'm, um, I'm delivering it and distributing for a German firm. So it's made, made in Germany, in Hamburg in Germany. It's a family business with like, not so, they're like 20, 25 people. They're growing fast now. And, um, I've developed this Consciouz Scan method, which is the coaching method around this. So I do, for example, body-mind scan session of 1 hour, that creates insight. But what I generally do is like transformation journeys. And like, for example, a Vitality Scan journey is 5 sessions of 1 hour with 3 weeks in between the sessions.

Daniel Zavrel:
So we can do a new scan and we can see, for example, if I would scan you in 3 weeks, how is your brain now?

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
With the boosting, with the, with the corpse pose, with the nutrients, then we can re-remeasure Oh, I do a Life Design journey or a mental scan journey for mental resilience. And then you also learn mental tools. We do a new scan every time. And yeah, it's really beautiful to see. And then we can compare, for example, your brain session 1, session 5, and then I can see, hey, there's an 80% improvement in your brain. And you— do you also feel better? Yes, I feel more focused. And that's why high performers love this method. And I have to say, if you are too skeptical, don't do this method.

Daniel Zavrel:
And I, for example, I do this a lot in big corporations, and of course you have skepticism. Let's say Accenture, I was just talking about.

Jennifer Norman:
Uh-huh.

Daniel Zavrel:
There are very much left-brain dominated people. So what I do, I just, in the beginning, I give a presentation about this technology, and I, and I, I'm just very harsh. I say everybody who is too skeptical now, just do another method. Take a BMI measurement or whatever, just do a left-brain 3D normal accepted method, and then this is not your thing. You need an open mind for it, you need a growth mindset for it, and it's absolutely confronting because it looks until the DNA level. There's nowhere to hide with this technology. So if you're not ready for that confrontation, please choose another method. If you want to grow very fast and have very strong and fast results, yes.

Daniel Zavrel:
And you have open mind, this is your thing. Because I think there's nothing goes faster than this technology at the moment, uh, then we can use it for us. And then what happens, almost nobody checked out and they all, all 20 went into the program. And I do a 100-day Be Well Work Well program also with PricewaterhouseCoopers, for example. I did this with Philips, uh, with the Dutch police, all big corporations. And then they do a scan at the beginning, and then we do like workshops, for example, on sleep, nutrition, movement, uh, all kinds of heart coherence. And then we do a second scan, and after 100 days we do a last scan. And now they love it because there's— this is a coaching method which makes everything measurable to the smallest detail, and that's just not out there.

Daniel Zavrel:
So our left brain is being fed But with images, proof, graphs, we feel our progress is very down to earth. You can have very practical guidance to become the best version of you, and that's why they love it. For example, I was coaching, um, the trainer of AZ, which is also top 3 business, uh, football club in the Netherlands. And he was also being guided by a mental coach, but he was constantly in resistance with that mental coach.

Jennifer Norman:
Hmm.

Daniel Zavrel:
But he couldn't be with me. Because I was he saw it on the screen, he saw his autonomic nervous system and he recognized it and he knew it. So then he couldn't deny it. Otherwise he would have also be in resistance with me because it was just his personality. But by making it visual for him so that his left brain could understand what's happening in his in his body, that was very satisfying for him and also that that I could measure. the, the progress in it.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
You do need, you do need an open mind. But generally, I have to be honest, like 95% of my clients, and I scan the whole world, they ask for 1 minute, tell me a little about it, they even, and they just want the results. So I scan them and then we have this beautiful transformational talk in 1 hour or in, in such a journey. But if you are too skeptical, really, Yeah, there's so many other things out there and then choose those things.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, no, I think that that is very interesting that you had mentioned that because I did have on another gentleman who had a scalar light device and this is very reminiscent of that. His name was Tom Palladino. It was one of my best performing podcasts because people were so interested in it. I think that people are really, yeah, people are very much interested in quantum healing and understanding all of these new technologies and new techniques that they can use that might be available to them that seemed alternative or far out there back in the day. And now, you know, they become more common. You struck the right tone in terms of just, you know, the belief in the growth mindset and the open-mindedness is going to get you so much more healing. You know, it's going to get you healing regardless. And I think that the fact that you're bringing so much detail in, you know, definitely helps with the believability.

Jennifer Norman:
It definitely helps people to say, yeah, these are, these are things that I can absolutely build into my lifestyle. These are things that are going to be beneficial for me. And why not? And then let's look and see what happens in a couple of weeks. Oh my gosh, I'm doing so much better. And, and so, you know, there are, there are only, I think, positive things that could happen from, you know, kind of conducting this kind of thing and, and saying, let's give this a try. Let's see what I can do to improve myself. Let's see what I can do that is really going to help, you know, both my left brain and my right brain and, and my mind-body. So all of those 7 components of all of the energy that we have, our different bodies, the astral, the emotional, the physical, the karmic, all of that come together in what you're offering in order to progress and to evolve and to heal and to grow, which I think is, is very, very cool.

Jennifer Norman:
So I think you're onto something very intriguing and something very interesting that I think that the world will probably be, you know, very curious about for sure.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
One thing I also wanted to, to just circle back on because you mentioned heart coherence. And I definitely embrace and have a lot of folks on who talk a bit about heart coherence and people have different meanings for what that actually is. Could you describe what you mean by heart coherence and then how does somebody know if their heart is not in coherence or in coherence?

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, absolutely. I love this area so much. So actually it's all American knowledge, by the way, I'm saying now from the HeartMath Institute, and so the HeartMath Institute has found that our heart is electromagnetically 5,000 times stronger than our brain. And so when you are in a negative emotion, an unpleasant feeling, let's say anger, then your heart rhythm becomes very incoherent. So the sympathetic and the parasympathetic branch of the autonomic nervous system are competing with each other. Like you're angry, you have to speed up, and then the brake, the parasympathetic. sympathetic takes the heart rate back again. So you get a lot of variation in the variability in the heart, but in a very incoherent, blurred, chaotic pattern.

Daniel Zavrel:
That's what's called heart coherence. And then your— the pressure wave of your heart goes with the bloodstreams to every part of your body. I can— we also even saw it in your arteries, in the brain. We just saw it.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
And so if the pressure builds up, this heart coherence, you can see it in the arteries, and your heart synchronizes also your brain. So by simply transforming your feeling, for example, anger, and you use heart-focused breathing, which is, which is a method where you breathe in like 4 to 5 seconds as if you're breathing through the heart area, and then as if you're breathing out of the heart area and you release the pressure. This brings you— so we do it for 1 minute, maybe also for the viewers that we can. Yeah. Scientific research stress regulation technique out there, which is being used by top performers and top corporates. So put your feet on the floor, on the floor, and put your hands on the heart. In the end, we release the hands, but just in the beginning. And close your eyes, please, so you can focus and feel the warmth of your hands on the chest.

Daniel Zavrel:
And this brings you out of your head into the body in this very powerful electromagnetic magnetic field, which is 5,000 times stronger than your brain. In the East, they call your heart your safe place. And it is. Your heart in itself is always positive, always peaceful. And by really touching your own heart, it's like coming home. So this first step we call heart focus. And now we're going to do some conscious, intense Intention breathing. So I want to invite you and the listeners and the viewers, as if you're breathing into the hands and the heart, breathing like 5 seconds, charge yourself with fresh energy.

Daniel Zavrel:
And then when you're breathing out, as if you're breathing out to the heart area and hands, release all tension and pressure. Let it go. 5 seconds. And keep that rhythm. 5 seconds into the heart, charge yourself, and discharge yourself with tension. 5 seconds, Breathing out. Just keep that rhythm. And with every out-breath, release more tension.

Daniel Zavrel:
Everything you cannot influence at this moment, which is almost everything, let it go. With the in-breath, fill yourself with fresh vital energy. Every cell of your body And with the out-breath, let go on a deeper level. And this brings total balance in your autonomic nervous system and makes your heart rhythm become very coherent, like a sine wave, sinus wave. And now we go one step further. Generate and activate a positive feeling where you want a little bit more of. It could be enthusiasm, it could be gratefulness, it could be patience. So whatever you want a little bit more from, breathe that in.

Daniel Zavrel:
And the word itself is enough, like enthusiasm or power or self-confidence, whatever you need. Breathe that word in, that positive feeling. When you breathe out, relax in that positive feeling. For example, now let's, let's use the word power. So now breathe in power in a very subtle way, and when you breathe out, you relax in the word power. So really give power to every cell of your body when you breathe in, and when you breathe out, enjoy and relax in this power feeling. And now you can release the hands off the chest. Please release the hands at the chest, and as if these hands are still there, continue with the breathing with this positive feeling to your heart.

Daniel Zavrel:
And now continue, please, with eyes open. Eyes open, as if these hands are still there. So you also have to learn this technique when people are around it, for example, in a meeting room or at the dentist, because this will literally neutralize your stress instantly. It's the most scientifically evidence-based technique out there.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow.

Daniel Zavrel:
All right, so now we can finish the technique. So generally I use also biofeedback software, and when I do this in companies, I put down laptops, I measure, do a baseline measurement, and then we see like for 70, 80% red incoherence. And then I learn them technique, and then generally they, they go to green, to high coherence very quickly. You can see it instantly appearing and people going from stress to flow. And that's, of course, you bring balance into, into the autonomic nervous system. Then in my conscious scan, I can see what are the patterns which bring incoherence in somebody's life. It could be nutrition, could be psycho-emotional patterns. And then I can say, okay, use this kind of word or do this kind of pattern.

Daniel Zavrel:
But generally, you can feel yourself. What kind of positive feeling do I need more of? For example, self-confidence. Breathe in self-confidence. And breathe out, relax and self-confidence. So you can actually download everything from the mental, spiritual, quantum cloud and give yourself in the here and now. It's amazing.

Jennifer Norman:
Thank you so much for taking us through that. I have to say, as soon as you mentioned the word safe, that's exactly how I felt when I put my hands on my chest. You just feel the warmth. It's almost like grounding. It's almost like grounding your heart down and making it feel safe, which was really wonderful. And then from there, from a place of safety, not from a place of like moving around stress, anxiety, where things are starting to kind of bubble up, you feel like really, really steady. And then you're able to receive that download that you're saying, whatever word, whatever feeling you want to have. I love that technique.

Jennifer Norman:
Thank you so much, Daniel. You're welcome.

Daniel Zavrel:
Yeah, you're very welcome. And so if you do, we measure this in companies, like if you do this for 2 to 3 months, like 3 or 4 times a day, 1 to 2 minutes, we have an average stress reduction of 40 to 50%.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow.

Daniel Zavrel:
And we measure this with questionnaires, statistically validated questionnaires. So it's really, really strong if you would allow yourself this simple practice.

Jennifer Norman:
I love that so much. Wow, Daniel, you brought so many fascinating techniques into this podcast show. I want to thank you so, so very much. And now I want to just ask you 3 final questions that I ask every guest because this gets to the heart of, I think, who we all are. And you are not from America, but it's so interesting to see how everybody around the world answers these questions because there are some common themes. My first question is, what do you think makes you beautiful?

Daniel Zavrel:
Which makes me beautiful?

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Daniel Zavrel:
Well, I think I'm just very honest and I have nothing to hide. I'm just myself and, yeah, and honest.

Jennifer Norman:
I think it's a great answer. What do you think that it means to be human?

Daniel Zavrel:
To be human is, I think, heart-based living. living, and that you use your inner navigation system, your guidance, your intuition, so to, to be the best version of yourself, but also to breathe the planet through your heart so that we can make this a high-frequency place and we can make it a very good place. And when we live from the head only, we destroy the whole thing. And when you live more from the heart, you really lift everything up to. So I would say heart-based living makes us human.

Jennifer Norman:
Oh, what a great answer. And then my last question is, what's one truth that you live by?

Daniel Zavrel:
One truth I live by? Yeah, I think that's for me, it's curiosity. I always want to learn more, deeper, ask why, never, never be— and so I always want to know a deeper layer and a deeper layer and a deeper layer, but I'm just a very curious person.

Jennifer Norman:
I love that. The answers that you gave me were living from honesty, your heart, and curiosity. Those are lovely, well-rounded answers that you gave there. So thank you so much. This has been such a really fascinating and meaningful conversation. I really loved that today's episode was about experiencing a different way to get to know ourselves, frankly, and to really understand ourselves Not in an unconscious way by doing, doing, doing, but really observing ourselves and lifting out of that and being very intentional and really getting curious about all of these different facets of what makes us ourselves, our true selves. I think so often we are trying to solve stress by changing all the things that are around us when perhaps the first step is simply becoming more aware of what is happening within us. And Daniel helped us so beautifully with all of that today.

Jennifer Norman:
Beautiful humans, if you'd like to learn more more about Daniel, the Consciouz Scan Method, his coaching workshops, and his educational resources, visit Consciouz at www.consciouz.com. You can also connect with Daniel on LinkedIn and follow @consciouz.channel on Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok. If this conversation helped you see yourself a little bit more clearly today, then please share it with somebody that you care about. These are the kinds of conversations that create ripple effects at home, in our workplaces, and throughout our communities. Until next time, remember that beauty isn't something that we achieve. It is something that we uncover when we reconnect with who we've always been. I'm Jennifer Norman, and this is The Human Beauty Movement Podcast. I will see you all in the next episode.

Jennifer Norman:
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