Episode 11: Jennifer Cassetta, Self Defense Expert - The Art of Badassery

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Hello, beautiful humans.
Welcome to today's episode of

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Role Models juicy conversations
with beautiful humans.

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I'm so excited to introduce you
to my guests.

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This is Jen cos Theta.
Jen is a success coach, a

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speaker and author and a self
defense expert equipped with her

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third degree black belt in
hapkido.

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A as degree in nutrition Health
coaching and NLP certifications

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Jen travels.
The world empowering people to

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stay strong safe and more
confident from the streets to

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the boardroom.
Now, Jen believes that, no

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matter your height, your weight,
your gender race or background,

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everyone should have, the
ability to feel strong faith and

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Powerful.
Yes.

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And now Jen's latest book is
available for pre-order.

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It's called The Art of
badassery.

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Our mojo with the wisdom of the
dojo.

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Welcome to Jen.
Thank you so much for having me

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Jenn.
I'm so excited to be here.

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And hello, everybody out there.
Oh, it's so great to have you.

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Now, I'd like to set the stage
for those who are listening to

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this podcast, because as we all
know, looks can be very

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deceiving.
So, no one looking at Jen would

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ever know just by walking down
the street running by her that

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she could easily kick your ass.
So Jen, I'm sure that there's a

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great story.
Story.

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And how you got started in
martial arts.

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Tell us all about it.
Sure.

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So it was 22 years ago that I
stepped into a do Jang in Korean

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for the first time and pretty
much fell in love.

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It was weird.
I was early 20s and really just

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looking for a different kind of
workout.

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My father had been doing martial
arts so I was familiar with it.

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Found a great school, great
people.

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And I started to feel all these
amazing benefits like throwing

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punches for the first time and
kicks and knees.

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To feel more powerful in your
body, also my mind and more

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spiritually grounded, like it
was all these amazing benefits

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in that first year.
Something crazy happened to the

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world, and I had kind of one of
those life, shifting

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experiences.
Essentially on September 11th.

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I was a year and two training in
martial arts and showed up to

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work.
That morning, three blocks,

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south of the World Trade Center
and as you can imagine it was

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chaotic and I went into the
lobby of my building.

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And that's when the first Tower
fell, I was Scared.

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I was paralyzed with fear and
completely traumatized, but this

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woman grabbed me and her and I
bonded and said we're going to

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get out of here today.
That day, we went four hours

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running around covered in soot
and finally made it to the do

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Jang.
So that was the first time that

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day that I felt this safety.
This Refuge this calming down

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your nervous system and looking
back.

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I can say that that was this
pivotal moment for me because

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the next few months I was out of
a job and all I wanted to do was

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go train.
George Jung.

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So that's how it kind of really
started, amazing.

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It's really such a metaphor of
your circle of life of coming

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home to it and really finding
refuge in it.

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I remember one going through
that must have been so traumatic

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and that's still resides in you,
I'm sure just those moments,

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every single year within
anniversary.

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And, you know, here you have
this wonderful thing that is a

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gift to you, which is this
feeling of protection, this

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feeling of support.
Tell us more about About when

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you do say that there are tools
that you learn in your do Jong

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that you can take out into the
streets and even into the

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boardroom.
Yes.

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Absolutely.
I realize it more and more.

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The older.
I get that the benefits of the

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training have less to do with
the kicks, in the punches, and

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the techniques, like, all that
stuff is great, but it's

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completely secondary to the
mental strength that inner

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strength that I develop the
leadership skills, the

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communication skills, all the
self-empowerment tools that I

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now get to teach And laid out in
the book that I wrote.

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So essentially the book walks,
you through it, all from white

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belt, to Black Belt.
I use it as a metaphor, right?

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Use martial arts as a meta form
in the beginning.

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It's all about getting onto the
mat for the first time.

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So going to the dojo Dojo of
your life is where you do your

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work, where you interact with
people, your home your office

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wherever and you're going to be
met with opponents and sometimes

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those opponents can be people
and sometimes they can be

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heartbreak grief loss pain
disease write you name it for

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Lot of people that big opponent
was like the last two years of a

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being in a pandemic for the
first time and just all the

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uncertainty that came with it.
So that's kind of the white belt

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lesson.
And then yellow belt is all

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about how to get back up with,
he's with Grace with velocity

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and all the different strategies
that I learned on the map from

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pivoting to Rolling, to making
ultimate comebacks, when life,

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just knocks you out for the
count.

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That is incredible.
So, how do you know when you

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become a black belt?
Yeah, yeah.

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Good question.
Well in the black belt in

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badassery, You may be that
already, right?

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There's so many people that have
done a lot of personal

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development work, but
specifically in the black belt

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journey is all about leadership
and defining your own style of

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leadership.
My hope is that black belts who

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claim to be leaders.
Practice a few different things

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that I learned in martial arts.
As a martial artist and black

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belt level.
It's all about giving back, it's

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about leading teaching mentoring
passing.

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Those skills on for the good of
others, it's less about About

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the type of leadership we so
often see that's like clamoring

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your way to the top and stepping
on others and just racing to get

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there.
It takes time and patience and

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discipline to really step into
that.

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Black belt role.
And some of the other lessons

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are that black belt level is
really just the beginning,

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right?
It's about mastering the basic

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skills.
So if you think about your own

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self development Journey, a lot
of people have done that

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already.
So black belt is like now,

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beginning a whole new level
almost.

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Yeah.
I love that and I also think

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it's such a metaphor for life in
so many ways, but if I think

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about people who say, oh I want
to be a black belt and that's a

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wonderful goal or if they're in
a certain place in their lives

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and they're constantly
criticizing themselves along the

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way and getting to this place
where it becomes that all they

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can think about is the next
Bell, the next built within it.

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I think that there is something
to be said in the learning and

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in the lessons that happen along
the way and an appreciating

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where you are and not pining and
saying, well, that person's So

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far ahead that person so much
better of it.

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It's like, this is where you
are, this is where your dojo is

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that persons in a different
Dojo, right?

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Yeah.
And that's my biggest work right

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now.
I think you just nailed it on

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the head tonight is like always
remembering that people start

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out at different places.
We all need to stop the

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comparison to other people.
I think I'm past the point of my

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life where I do it about beauty
standards.

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I don't really feel like, I feel
very grounded in that area, but

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when it comes to Here and being
an entrepreneur.

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And looking at other successful,
entrepreneurs.

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I know I definitely can get in
that cycle.

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So that's actually a chapter
around Green Belt, which is

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about finding your voice and
really learning to master the

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voice in your head.
I think that that's great that

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you've even addressed that.
And there seems like there's so

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many practical lessons that
anybody regardless, of whether

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it is, somebody interested in
martial arts or not, there's any

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really valuable lessons that
you're bringing their.

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Now I want to go back.
I used to like the Karate Kid

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when I was young.
Of course, I probably seen it.

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A million times?
Yes, I'm not even one of Cobra,

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Kai.
I haven't watched season to yet,

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but I want my God.
How could you stop?

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I'm a your Swedish.
Good TV on I know.

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And I'm like I'll get back into
it but I think his name was Eli

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Hawk.
Was it Hawk Moskowitz?

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And he's the one that's like the
wimpy kid that's picked on and

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then all of a sudden he finds
that he can turn into a badass

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with the help of some training
and the dojo.

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But unfortunately, instead of
just being a badass, he just

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turns into an asshole.
We have I can I think you, maybe

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he does a little bit of a come
around towards the end of the

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season, but how do we prevent
ourselves from becoming assholes

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from just going so far?
What?

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Yeah, no Province question.
I think it's all ego, right.

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And it's like the work part of
the work is to recognize that we

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all have it.
No have our ego and checking it,

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right?
Yeah.

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And I think that all of the
work, all of the chapters in the

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book, all of the lessons in the
book, it's all ongoing work,

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nobody truly ever Masters, Are
inner voice and it never is -

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again no one can ever completely
drop your ego and check it out

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the door at every situation, you
enter.

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So I think it's really just
about the awareness of it and

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then being able to use it with
discernment like hey I really

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want to go into this next
interaction with my ego tamed or

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I don't want to say not there at
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Because as that possible for
folks, believe there, and it's

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there for a reason.
I mean that you go is a

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manifestation and so we just
recognize And we are in balance

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with ourselves as it were right?
Where those shifts are there.

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Those subs and flows are.
Wow, I think that there's also

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people like me who would be
like, you know, I'm a lover, I'm

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not a fighter.
How do you think that martial

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arts or knowing some of the
practices?

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How does that help bring peace.
Yeah I was just going to say

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that was going to say really
martial arts is about peace.

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When you come down to it I think
in the last, I don't know,

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tennis years or so.
A lot of what we see in martial

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arts is not Marshall.
Art's UFC fighting is not

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martial arts.
Thank you.

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Thank you.
I don't watch it.

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I don't follow it at all.
It's not what I was taught.

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It is Sport so there's a very
clear distinction between

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martial, Sport and martial arts.
The Arts are passed down for

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centuries.
If you go back into history, it

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was there to prepare for war and
all of that stuff.

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But also to develop the
individual into more of a

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pathetic leader, like Daniel Son
and not like, Record high.

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Very good, very good.
Bring it back, but yeah.

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And then one more thing to
answer your question, about

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peace, right?
Safety and peace go

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hand-in-hand.
And if you don't feel safe in

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your body, in your mind, in your
home, in your spirit, in your

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neighborhood, how can you ever
feel true, peace.

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So taking a proactive approach
to learning how to protect

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yourself, both mentally and
physically.

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I think just go hand-in-hand
with bringing more piece into

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your life because you can feel
more safe.

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Hmm, kind of like what Roosevelt
said about speaking softly, but

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carrying a big stick, I
supposed.

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Yeah, can if you need it, the
others doing the diplomacy at

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first and working that way.
And then just having that

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thought behind you, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

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Famous quote, by an ancient
Samurai that says the ultimate

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aim of martial arts is not
having to use them.

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So, it's not about Going into
fight or just the self-defense.

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It's a way, it's a movement.
It's a way of practicing your

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life.
And I have to say, though

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watching it as a spectator, is
beautiful.

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It's awesome.
I mean, I think that that's why

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it's so magical when you see it
on screen to where there's just

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so much choreography in the
forms and the, it's just, it's

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just lovely, what people can do
with their bodies, but yeah,

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yeah.
It's different forms but it can

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be a lot like dance.
Hmm, it can.

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Okay, okay.
So then, let's talk about some

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of your tips for safety or some
other things that you like to

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share with others, that might be
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So just know in the back of
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Yeah, I make fun Instagram,
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to keep the creeps away.
Always check them out there.

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awareness.
It's the one thing that can help

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you avoid danger at all costs,
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Sometimes you're in the wrong
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there's some Somewhere that's
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do, no matter what.
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you're out and about can
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chances of survival feeling
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out the next right, step,
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Because when we're quiet, when
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taking in information, it allows
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intuition, wherever that resides
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and communicate otherwise.
If you're too busy and your

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phone or paying attention to
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You're the intuitive messages.
That is signaling you to safety.

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Mmm, that's good.
I saw when tip on your Instagram

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recently it was like you were
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their ears with your hands.
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That's looks like straightly
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do easy for anyone and that's
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day to show people.
Oh, did you even realize that

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the peels of your palm can be a
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how to use them, right?
You can strike to somebody.

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Those, you can Buck somebody in
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those are things that I would
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knowing where to strike.
How to strike when to strike all

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of these different things.
So, I think most people are not

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going to go to a dojo and become
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self-defense class in person,
but if you can have one, two,

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three little Tools in your tool
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Again, it just helps you walk a
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Helps you be a little more aware
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ever need it, you have those
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Mmm, that's great.
Now, let's talk about some of

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the other wonderful
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things that you offer to people.
Because I saw there that you are

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an NLP coach and I have never
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Describe that oh gosh.
It is like the most difficult

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thing to describe.
Maybe do an LP stands for neuro

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linguistic programming.
The first time I heard of it and

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really was intrigued by It was
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Tony Robbins events, in my early
20s, in the way he would snap

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his fingers or use his body or
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He almost had people in the
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mesmerised at times and I always
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What was he doing?
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So it turns out he uses a lot of
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Programming neuro, brain,
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So it's like how our brains and
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programming, Is it kind of a
funky connotation?

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So, in coaching, how I use it,
I'm very basic, it's just about

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listening to people, the words,
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their nonverbal communication,
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asking the right questions to
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uncover, what are their
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What else is going on?
Because as a health coach for so

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long, people usually come to me
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I want to lose Eight and blah,
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And as you know, it's never
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It's never about the workouts
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going on here and the blocks and
the limitations that way.

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So that's how I use NLP.
I think that that is so

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brilliant that you even
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not about the food because so
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So many podcasts so much
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It's about the damn food and
they're not getting to the root

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cause of the problem.
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that I had been was Ali, the day
that I decided that I didn't

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need a scale anymore because
every single day where I was

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getting on there and beating
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which is just a ridiculous
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Nobody cares what you weigh.
It's the amount of energy that

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is put towards things that don't
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And that it could be used
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tell ourselves that were
unworthy or that were ugly or

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that we're weak or in the case
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And at that, we're an imposter,
like all of these things stem

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from mindset.
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comes from, and Dissipate that.
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doing it through that attentive
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absorbing the energy.
It's almost like tapping into

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the intuition of being able to
really understand more than the

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words that are being said.
Because we all know that words

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are a dime a dozen but it's like
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All of these things going
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Really paint.
A bigger.

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Fuller picture for you on how to
help them help themselves. 100%?

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Absolutely.
Oh, gosh.

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I wish I could sum it up as well
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Just did you just did because I
just miss you, too.

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That from you, that is
wonderful.

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So your book comes out on August
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Is that right?
That is correct.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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Well, let's talk about what you
do offer because you are a

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health coach and so how do you
use your normal clientele?

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Like if there is such a thing
but do people come to you and

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say gosh you know Jen I could
really use your help with this.

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Well it's funny because usually
the reason why people come to me

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initially is not the reason The
thing that we actually wind up

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making improvements on, for
example, a client came to me

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about a year ago, wanting to
lose weight, wanting to lose

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weight.
It was all about the weight

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food, the workouts, this that,
and it got to a point where I

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was just doing my best to listen
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all of it.
And I kept reminding her that

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she's in a job.
That is super stressful and

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she's literally like killing
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I got a text just yesterday that
she quit her job.

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So like that could come out of
coaching when When it wasn't the

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initial thing that you wanted to
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But you realize that it was the
one thing that was really

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holding you back from your life
goals.

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Absolutely.
And that's really the part of

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exploring.
It's like you never want to just

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treat that thing, that's on the
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Is so much more to it.
And then once you get there,

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then it's amazing how your life
can really change, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I've always as excited or

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surprised at my clients
successes because again,

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sometimes the things that wind
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From the coaching really had
nothing to do with what we set

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out to do.
So it's really fun.

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That's the magic.
Well, Jen.

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It was a pleasure to speak with
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I am so excited that everybody
is now going to learn all about

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you and how they can also be a
badass matter where they are in

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their place in life.
Thank you so much.

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Thank you Jen.