Your Money Mindset & Self-Sabotage Are Holding You Back | Angela Murray, Ep 236

Jennifer Norman:
Have you ever talked yourself out of something you wanted before anyone else even had the chance? You're about to send a proposal, ask for more money, or finally put your idea out into the world, and suddenly you find another reason to wait. You need more experience, a better plan, a little more confidence. Oh, that hesitation can be so frustrating, especially when you know that you're capable. So how do you begin to trust yourself? enough to move forward? And can you build something meaningful without running yourself into the ground? Welcome to the Human Beauty Movement Podcast. I'm Jennifer Norman, and today I'm joined by Angela Murray. Angela is a Scottish entrepreneur, coach, hypnotherapist, author, and founder of Aurilah Ltd, a boutique group of businesses built around purpose and ethical ambition. Her work focuses on helping women rebuild self-belief, navigate fear and self-doubt, and create lives that feel calmer, stronger and more their own.

Jennifer Norman:
There's also a deeply personal reason behind what she's building. As a neurodivergent woman and a mother of neurodivergent children, Angela founded Aurilah with a vision of creating a workplace where her children's strengths could be understood and valued. I'm looking forward to exploring that story along with some questions I think many of us carry. Why can money bring up so much fear? What do we do when positive thinking doesn't help? And how do we actually become the person we keep imagining we could be? My hope is that this conversation gives you a kinder understanding of what's holding you back and a practical place to begin. So don't go anywhere. Angela, welcome to The Human Beauty Movement Podcast. It's so great to have you here.

Angela Murray:
Thanks for having me.

Jennifer Norman:
Now, I want to start with the woman behind all of your roles. What was happening in your life that led you towards the work that you do?

Angela Murray:
I was actually in an abusive relationship, and when I left that, I had zero money and I had no way of getting myself out of that situation. So I had a lot of time to think about how I ended up in that situation. And how I progress beyond being stuck in that cycle. And that led me to psychology. I've always had a passion for psychology. Hmm. It's one of my special interests, and I really had a lot of time to just sit and think about how we go, how I got there, and how I move forward. So I spent time looking into tools that I could use.

Angela Murray:
And I came across hypnotherapy, was one of the tools to help me like change my mindset from being in a scarcity mindset and in abundance mindset. And I was just, that's really what changed it all for me. The changing something so simple can have such a massive difference in your life. And I actually, I started implementing the tools and that's led me to the life that I've got just now.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow. Thank you for sharing those deeply personal points. And it is true. I think that when we aren't feeling like we're worthy or that we're enough, even if we don't say that out loud, I think that somehow the energy of feeling scarce, like I need to have this dependency on another person for my wellbeing, it does tend to cascade, especially into relationships. And when you're in a relationship that gets abusive. I mean, that is certainly a telltale sign that something is not working and something's out of balance. And so working on yourself afterwards and getting curious about psychology and what was it about your own thinking that could be changed.

Jennifer Norman:
And hypnotherapy is such a wonderful way of getting down into those deep roots. I've had many hypnotherapists on this show, and it is pretty extraordinary about how simple yet how powerful that hypnotherapy can be. Like sometimes I'd go into hypnotherapy sessions and I'd be like, I don't know if anything worked, but then over time you're like, wow, something has shifted. There has definitely been, been something that has shifted. And so I think that it's really compelling and I'm so eager to get into more of this in our conversation. I am just also thinking like about self-doubt. We're Thinking about a lot of women, because I think that this conversation is going to be mostly and predominantly for the women out there who do listen to this show. And a lot of us are plagued with self-doubt.

Jennifer Norman:
Somebody may have a whole folder of qualifications and still feel like she needs permission. And I think that as I was reading about you, there's a whole lot about the nervous system and how we process emotions and thinking about this idea that we're not good enough or that we're not worthy enough. Can you talk a little bit about what you've learned over time about these kind of things that happen inside of us when we do have this scarcity mindset or when we do feel like we're just not enough?

Angela Murray:
Yeah, one of the main things that happens is we self-sabotage. That is probably the biggest problem that people have to overcome. For example, like you said, a person can have all the qualifications in the world, all the work experience in the world, all the money in the world, and have nothing. Like, have no— like, lose it all. They can, like, gamble it away, they can give it away and end up broke. Like, you've heard the millionaires who win the jackpot and then lose it all within maybe a year.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm-hmm.

Angela Murray:
And that's because their mindset— they're in a poverty, a scarcity mindset, and they don't know how to handle their wealth, so they lose it all.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm.

Angela Murray:
You've got people who work and work and work their whole lives, and they've got nothing at the end of it. And again, that's down to the scarcity mindset, because they haven't learned how to overcome their money blocks. So instead of looking for opportunities to grow their wealth, they self-sabotage it and lose their wealth. And a lot of that can come from some of the beliefs that I work with, um, with my clients, is things like rich people are greedy, So though, because they've heard that their whole life, that's what they believe subconsciously. And then they self-sabotage themselves so they don't become rich because they don't want somebody to despise them. They don't want to become somebody that's despised, so they self-sabotage their success and they keep themselves stuck at a certain income level. So that's another way that a person can basically block themselves from achieving the wealth that they, they might even want to be rich. That's the best bit.

Angela Murray:
People might say, oh, I want to be rich, but subconsciously it's a different story.

Jennifer Norman:
Mm.

Angela Murray:
And that's where a lot of people, like, they don't really— we don't speak about it enough, the subconscious blocks that we've got. We speak about, oh, people want this and they want that, and I'm working towards this goal and I'm working towards that goal. We don't speak about the hidden, hidden problems that we've got, the hidden challenges that we've got. We don't speak about that enough. And mostly it stems from childhood, um, When you're growing up, you might grow up in a wealthy family, but if you're hearing people around you constantly arguing about money or stressing about money or this investment failed and that investment failed, then that— you take all of that in subconsciously. And that's where hypnotherapy comes in. Hypnotherapy gets to the bottom of what the, the hidden blocks are, and then it helps you to overcome them. And that's where I come in.

Jennifer Norman:
That is really, really brilliant. And I think that is where all the juiciness lies. It's in the subconscious. And a lot of people may mentally feel or mentally think, okay, well, I want to be wealthy. I want to be well off. I want to be secure. I want to, I want, I want, I want. Mm-hmm.

Jennifer Norman:
But if there is this underlying belief in the subconscious, which is working against all the things that you want, that is going to play out in your manifestation, that is not going to be something that is going to aid you. It'll actually work because the energy doesn't lie. And you will, little by little, I think what happens is your life that you create really follows the energy and the beliefs that you hold down in your subconscious that you may not even be aware of. And decisions that you make, self-talk that you have about yourself. Oh, okay, I messed that up again. Of course I did. Just like little self-deprecating things like that. are little signs and cues that there's something deeper going on there.

Jennifer Norman:
And then of course, when bigger blowups happen, I think that it starts to really surface itself. So let me hear about some of the hypnotherapy that you might have experienced or go through just in general with your clients and some of the things that you've worked to help them alleviate in their lives.

Angela Murray:
Well, obviously I can't like go into each client...

Jennifer Norman:
of course,

Angela Murray:
I work with like business owners. I have had a few business owners who are struggling to grow their business to the level that they want to grow it to. And a lot of the times that's because their parents have been employees.

Angela Murray:
So they've grew up thinking, oh, I need to work and I need to do this myself and I need to do that myself. And they've actually got this subconscious block that they don't— they struggle to hire employees to come in and help them with the things that they're not very good at. because their whole life they've only been surrounded by employees. So they've got that employee mindset where they've got to do everything.

Angela Murray:
It doesn't really— subconsciously, they don't believe that the business is their business because they grew up around employees rather than around business owners, who would obviously naturally see the business as theirs. They're in charge of their decisions, and they can grow it that way. So I have worked with some people To help them overcome that block, and their companies are actually thriving now. So, um, that's the, the power of hypnotherapy. Another thing as well is confidence. A lot of women have problems with confidence. They've grew up around people who didn't speak about money.

Angela Murray:
Money was a thing that wasnae discussed, and it certainly wasnae discussed with women, amongst women. So they've grew up with this subconscious block that money's something not to be discussed.

Angela Murray:
Because of that, they don't have a lot of confidence when it comes to actually making, making financial decisions. Like, setting up a savings account, they don't feel confident enough to even do something like that. So that's where, like, confidence can actually sabotage you when it comes to your financial decisions that way.

Jennifer Norman:
Speaking a little bit more about money, because it's such a huge topic, there's so many money blocks and beliefs and things that are deeply rooted even in religion. The love of money is the root of all evil, but people interpret that as money is the root of all evil, which is very different. But you said that much of the money mindset advice that's out there misses the mark. What do you think that others get wrong about different kinds of advice out there?

Angela Murray:
They work on your conscious, like a lot of these, like self-affirmations and things like that. They are wonderful, but they only tend to work on your conscious mind.

Jennifer Norman:
Oh, okay.

Angela Murray:
You're like, if you're saying I am wealthy and all these things, you can say that until you're blue in the face. But if you've got a subconscious block that says I'm poor, then that's— you're not going to overcome that by saying your affirmations. So I think that that's where a lot of the advice misses.

Angela Murray:
Like, creating habits, yeah, you can create positive financial habits, like investing money. That is obviously going to be really great, but if you have got a scarcity mindset, then when you make that money, you're going to lose it pretty much straight away because you've got that block. So a lot of the advice out there is fantastic, but you also need to combine it with subconscious work. Working on your subconscious, whether that's through working with a therapist or hypnotherapy. But you do need to work on both the conscious beliefs and the subconscious beliefs at the same time.

Jennifer Norman:
For somebody who does not know the practice of hypnotherapy or how to get down into the subconscious, they might say, well, these affirmations over time, aren't they sinking into my subconscious? Doesn't it somehow make that change and thinking positively, isn't that the way to have better outcomes? What truly is the difference between the positive affirmation versus getting deep into the subconscious?

Angela Murray:
When you've heard a certain, like a certain thing over and over again, like you said earlier, money's the root of all evil. Okay. A lot of people hear that growing up. Money doesn't grow on trees. That's another thing. When you grow up hearing that, that becomes embedded in your subconscious, and then it becomes a part of your personality, a part of who you are, a part of how you think. It's called— it's like, we call it a money script.

Angela Murray:
Like, it becomes a belief, and once that's a core belief, then that's a part of your— it's a part of you. So, saying your positive affirmations isn't going to change who you are as a person. It's not going to go deep enough. Yeah, it might change how you, like, see yourself in the moment, but it's not going to change your core, like deep down who you really are as a person. And that's where the hypnotherapy comes in, because that does— that gets right deep into your subconscious and it changes the actual script that you tell yourself. So instead, instead of you saying money's the root of all evil, it's— you can change that through hypnotherapy, because hypnotherapy goes into your subconscious, whereas your affirmations and your positive thinking and all of that, that gets filtered through your brain, filtered that out before it ever even gets to your— the core of who you really are.

Jennifer Norman:
Interesting. So, I mean, hypnotherapy can help with a lot because it can get down into the subconscious, but is there something that hypnotherapy might not be appropriate for? What would you never promise with hypnotherapy?

Angela Murray:
I would never promise nothing with hypnotherapy. It all depends on how the person accepts what you're telling them. For example, Positive affirmations tend to be statements, and statements are regularly filtered out. Through your cognitive processing. When you're hearing an affirmation, your brain's pretty much straight away thinking, no, that's nonsense, I'm not listening to that, you're not rich, you're not wealthy. So it filters that out, and it rarely gets deep enough for it to actually embed in your subconscious. Whereas hypnotherapy, that goes— usually it's more questions that you ask which don't get filtered through.

Angela Murray:
For example, instead of saying, you are wealthy, I would ask the person to imagine their life while they were wealthy, um, and imagine what their life is like if they are wealthy, and get them to like imagine. Instead of me saying, you are wealthy, it's like, what is your life like being wealthy? You know, and that obviously helps to make the change. So that's one of the ways that it can be done.

Jennifer Norman:
Interesting. So taking that a little bit further, if somebody is closing their eyes and you say, imagine that you're wealthy, what are you hoping that they are feeling? I mean, some people might feel like exalted and excited by that idea. Some other people might feel a sense of peace or safety.

Angela Murray:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
Others might feel nervous, like oh my God. And so I'm just curious, what would you hope that a person might feel after they hear that statement or going through the process of imagining well?

Angela Murray:
Well, before I ever get into a hypnotherapy session with someone, I'll sit down and I'll go through a whole lot of questions. So hopefully to avoid a situation like that. I'll give you an example. If someone is afraid of the seaside, like the beach, or somebody's afraid of the ocean, I'm not going to take them along an ocean path in order to get them into hypnotherapy. I see. If someone is afraid of the forest, then I'm not going to take them through a forest to get them into hypnotherapy. So a lot of that stems from pre-planning. If I do my job correctly, then I know what their blocks are when it comes to accepting what I'm telling their subconscious to accept, and what they're going to accept willingly, and things like that.

Angela Murray:
So that all stems Like before we even get into the hypnotherapy session.

Jennifer Norman:
That's very good. I didn't even think about that because you could be bringing up something already that's a little bit daunting for them and you want it to be an invitation in that's welcoming and positive rather than something that's scary.

Angela Murray:
I don't want to be traumatizing them with it, like inadvertently traumatizing them. So a lot needs to happen before the hypnotherapy session even begins.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah. Now stepping away from hypnotherapy For a moment, because clearly we have this nervous system that is built to help keep us safe and alive and well, and it works very, very well. Sometimes not so much given modern-day needs and culture versus how we have evolved as human beings. How do you tell the difference between a fear that comes from taking a new risk, trying something new, stepping out of your comfort zone, versus a hesitation that might be needing your attention? That is something that's an important safety measure.

Angela Murray:
Your nervous system is absolutely designed to protect you.

Angela Murray:
If you are hesitating, I would say that that would be the main, like, the main indicator that you're like, you need assistance. Because if, for example, if an opportunity was to come along and your friend is like, this is really brilliant, I'm gonna do this, I've done this before, this works, Do you want to join? You're like, oh, I don't know, I don't think it— I'm not gonna do that. Then you're blocking yourself for that opportunity because this person's already done it, they've already succeeded at that, and you obviously trust them 'cause they're in your life. And if they have made a success for the opportunity themselves, then that's a good indicator that that's an opportunity that you can also succeed in. But if you don't go for it, then that's an aversion, that's a— it's a block. You're blocking yourself for that opportunity.

Angela Murray:
Your nervous system, again, is designed to protect you, so there will be times when you won't even notice opportunities, you'll be too scared to go for the opportunities, sabotage your opportunities, and things like that as well. When these things start happening in a pattern, then that's like, that's usually your indicator that, yeah, there's something deeper going on. If you're investing and like the market starts to crash, for example, and you're like, oh, I need to sell everything, um, before I lose even more, then again, that's an indicator that there's a problem going on. Because if you're investing in the market, there's a good chance that you've got a strategy and a long-term investment plan, but you're sort of like, your nervous system panics.

Angela Murray:
And you make emotional decisions rather than logical decisions. So again, that's— these are all indicators that there's something deeper going on.

Jennifer Norman:
Interesting. Now you've been so open about sharing your neurodivergent journey and also of your children. And I want to just give you some praise and a big shout out for that. As a mom of, in the disability community myself and a caretaker, I always love to shine a light on those who are making the world more accessible and friendlier and kinder from that regard. And so I wanted to ask you, because you said, you know, you wanted to do this so that your kids could have other opportunities and you could see more businesses that were friendlier to neurodivergent community. So can you talk a bit about how perhaps neurodivergency has influenced the way that you build and the way that you work?

Angela Murray:
Yeah, it absolutely influences every decision that I make for the Aurilah Group. I am building this company for my children. Hopefully it won't be too long until they're old enough to actually take over the running of the company and I can just go back to doing hypnotherapy and doing The things that I love. They, my children, will struggle to get any employment there. For example, my issue, if we can talk about me for a wee moment, I do my best work late at night. So seeing clients throughout the day and having a break in between clients, that's very helpful, but it also helps me to be able to, like, do interviews and things like that at this time of night, because this is when my brain's working best. Yeah. So I set up the company in order to give other neurodivergent people that opportunity as well.

Angela Murray:
For example, I work from home and I'm totally fine about other neurodivergent employees working from home as well, because sometimes getting into the office, it's too much. Either there's childcare issues or there's overwhelm issues, and I would rather build a company that appreciates that and respects that. Rather than saying, you missed work, or, you didn't get any work bang on time, you came into work 5 minutes late, you're sacked, you know what? Like, I would rather build a company that works around my employees and works around my clients rather than saying, no, you need to do this, this, this, and this. I don't think that the world needs any more companies that are so rigid in their thinking. I think that the world needs to accept that neurodivergent people exist. We are are a great asset when we are supported, and if we're not supported, then we can— it can all go— it can all go disastrously wrong, and then meltdowns and things like that happen. And I hope to build a company that I can be proud of and that supports my children and other neurodivergent people.

Jennifer Norman:
I love that. And I must say that we live in an extraordinary time, which is wonderful in that we can have these choices to work from home and with technology be able to have conversations such as we are having right now, you being in Scotland and me being in Los Angeles and working in the way that we do, which does accommodate our needs from a personal perspective so that we do have life balance. And so that is wonderful. And you've set your company up so that you have a lot of different arms, a lot of different brands, and a lot of different offerings that you have from website creation to marketing to hypnotherapy and other kinds of services, which is great. And you're kind of a one-woman show from being able to provide support in all those aspects.

Angela Murray:
Basically, that's where my ADHD comes in. I have a lot of hyperfixations, a lot of things that I've hyperfixated on that have become special interests. And rather than do one company, I would get bored way too easily. There would be no dopamine eventually, and then I would just get bored I've had that in the past and that's exactly what happened. So what I've done this time is all of my special interests, I've created independent companies for each of them. So if I'm starting to get bored, then I'll start taking on clients for a different company. And the variety always gives dopamine that I need in order to stay on the ball, basically. And I feel that for a lot of neurodivergent people, that would actually work better for them as well, instead of forcing someone to stick in one career path, it's just for neurodivergent people, that's, it's unreasonable.

Angela Murray:
That's what I believe. If you've got an interest in something, then why not turn it into a career?

Jennifer Norman:
I similarly, for myself and for others that I know of who may not have a diagnosis of ADHD, I actually at one point was diagnosed with ADHD, but I've always been fascinated by doing multiple things. I've always been I found it much more enjoyable, much more pleasurable, much more interesting to have a lot of different things going on. And that's just the way that I like to operate. If I had to do the same thing every day, day in and day out, I think that it would just be so, so difficult. Mm-hmm. And it's just much more stimulating to be able to work on various things. And, and I find that it lends itself to creativity. It lends itself to just feeling like you're fulfilling so many different aspects of your own personality.

Angela Murray:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
Rather than being pigeonholed into just doing one project, one thing for the rest of time. So I think a lot of people can certainly relate to having a lot of different interests and, you know, there are a lot of things about multitasking and whether or not it's actually a true thing, whether we're multitasking or just task switching very, very quickly. But in either case, I think that there's a nice way and opportunity to design your work and your space and your career and your life around the things that you really enjoy and love. And that's really wonderful that you've been able to do that.

Angela Murray:
Yeah. I also, I do help other people do that as well. One of the companies that I own is a business consulting company, so I help other entrepreneurs who are neurodivergent to actually set up a similar system to what I've got in my company. So they're not being, like you said, pigeonholed into one path and expected to be able to perform at their best in that one path when that's not the way that their mind is set You know, our mind is set up a different way for that business model. So why we are trying to like push neurodivergent people into the old business models is— I don't understand why somebody would do that to themselves, you know.

Angela Murray:
I mean, like...

Jennifer Norman:
Sometimes they feel like they might not have a choice, uh, you know. And...

Angela Murray:
I did certainly, especially when I was younger before I had the kids, I did try like to stay in the one career path, but it just, it didn't work out, you know. So hopefully I'm inspiring other people to actually think to themselves, you know what, maybe that's why this job isn't working out for me, or why this career path isn't working out for me. Maybe I might inspire them to, to do what I've done and start thinking about the things that they're passionate about and go after what they really enjoy doing.

Jennifer Norman:
Now, spiritual resilience is also part of your work too, which I think is very cool. And you actually do psychic readings and mediumship and things like that. Can you speak a little bit about that?

Angela Murray:
Yeah, I don't do mediumship readings anymore because what I've noticed is a lot of the psychic readings that I do, I actually combine them with mediumship. So I offer past life regressions now through A Rattle of Psychics, and that's, again, it's one of the things that I love doing. Most of my services, that's probably one of the things I love because you're, you're finding out about people's past lives and things like that, and it's just fascinating to me. I've been deeply spiritual since I was 17, which was a few decades ago now, so— But I have, I spent a great deal of time researching everything that I could about it. Learning how to give people psychic readings was just an added bonus. I mainly started developing my own psychic abilities for myself, which was, it's quite selfish, I know, but I wanted to know what was going to happen in the future, and that's basically where it stemmed from.

Jennifer Norman:
I've interviewed more and more people who have felt that at first those 2 aspects of their lives needed to be separate, like their business and their entrepreneurial and coaching versus like their spiritual sides, their soul sides, and their gifts from that perspective. And inevitably they've been learning that now they're combining them and the world is actually in need of more of that, of like this soul-led type of entrepreneurship or business leadership and their intuition, because otherwise we feel like we're taking a part of ourselves and just kind of putting it under the rug or maybe ignoring it in the vein of being more professional. But the truth is that we're all like, we come into work with our whole selves and that is best. And the spiritual, the intuition, those things feed so much into our decisions into the subconscious aspects of how we go about our days and, and our beliefs and how things are going to essentially evolve. And so, yeah, it's really just interesting and wonderful to see so many people, men and women alike, actually taking all of this and combining it into kind of spirit-led organizations and businesses.

Angela Murray:
Yeah. I've always kind of done that. I've always combined the two. For example, when I was working in sales, I would always, like, I actually did give a few people psychic readings who I'd been trying to sell to.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow.

Angela Murray:
And a few colleagues that I worked with, I gave them psychic readings as well. And similarly, a few people that I actually did psychic readings for, I've ended up doing other services for them as well. So I've always kind of combined the two because, well, I'm an Aquarian, so I don't believe in you've got to be professional or you've got to be like spiritual. I'm like the stereotypical rebel.

Jennifer Norman:
There you go.

Angela Murray:
I'm going to be like, I'm just going to be myself. If a client doesn't approve of me being spiritual, then they're not the client for me, and I'll happily suggest someone else for them who would be a better fit. Alignment is very important to me, so if someone doesn't align with me or my personality or my beliefs, then that's— it's not— it doesn't make me a bad person or them a bad person. It just means that we're not Not a fit. And there's people out there who are more aligned to them, and I wish them well, and I allow them to go on their merry way, and I continue on my way. I don't believe that I'm here and I have to be in a perfect box and I've got to have everyone like me. I know that I'm not everyone's cup of tea. And I don't try and be everyone's cup of tea.

Angela Murray:
So that's why on my website you'll see marketing services and sales training and psychic readings. And, you know, basically it's just like all the aspects of my personality and all the things that I love combined into the one.

Jennifer Norman:
Under one umbrella.

Angela Murray:
Yeah, exactly.

Jennifer Norman:
Are most of your clients in the neurodivergent spectrum or not necessarily?

Angela Murray:
Most of my clients are female, but they're not like— there's a mixture between neurodivergent people and neurotypical people. I think that for a lot of neurotypical people, a novelty for them, because I'm not ashamed of being neurodivergent. I'm open about it during our initial conversations and things like that. And on my website, I openly admit that I'm neurodivergent. Yeah. And so I come to the table with that. So they understand that if I'm having a meltdown one day, then they understand that there's not a lot of work going to be happening that day. They also understand that I've got children who are neurodivergent who may have meltdowns themselves, so they'll need to— my children are my top priority.

Angela Murray:
I also make sure that my clients understand that. So if my, my children are having a difficult day, no work gets done. But I work best when I'm in the correct mindset to do that work.

Angela Murray:
If I've had a rough day, I'm in a great mood in the evening, then that's when I'll do the work.

Angela Murray:
So, I work it around me and my life.

Angela Murray:
And I'm very upfront with my clients about that as well.

Angela Murray:
Sometimes I'll have work again done at 3 o'clock in the morning, because that's just when my brain works best. best on that particular project. But no, when it comes to clients, I'm very open with them, and a lot of neurotypical people are very happy to work with me because I get most of my clients through referrals. So they've obviously heard that I may be a little bit wacky, but I am definitely very good at what I do, and I wouldn't be saying, yeah, pay me and I'll do what you need to be And I wouldn't take a client on if I didn't feel confident that I could actually do the work the best of my ability. So I'm open about that as well. If I can't do work for someone, or if I can't fulfill a need that the client has, then I'll tell them. And obviously I'll try my best to find them a company that can help them. So it's all about open communication.

Jennifer Norman:
Right. Yeah. Now I think that you offer a valuable lesson for so many who might be working, Neurodivergent, neurotypical aside, I think a lot of us get into work and we feel like we gotta do everything, like kill ourselves for our clients, like stop everything, drop everything, family, relationship, like you name it. It's just like, I need to do my work, I need to focus. And they'll work at hours that do not suit them or their family's needs. But putting down those hard lines and those boundaries and saying, this is how I'm running my life because this is how I'm going to be most efficient. This is how I'm gonna do my best work. Yes, we all have personal needs and I'm gonna take care of those first because if I can't do that, then I can't do good work for you.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah. And that's how I operate. It's like your own operating set of rules, which I think is magnificent for us all to consider as we are designing our professional careers and in balance with the rest of our lives. So thank you for that. I love that, Angela. It's so lovely to talk with you. At the end of my conversations, I always ask my guests 3 questions. I have a few questions which are the same for every episode, and I love hearing the diversity in the answers that I get.

Jennifer Norman:
My first one is, what do you think makes you beautiful?

Angela Murray:
My soul. My soul. I have been through a lot in life, and I could easily have lost my heart and my soul, but I didn't, and I'm very proud of that. I think that that's what makes me the most beautiful.

Jennifer Norman:
Delightful. What do you think it means to be human?

Angela Murray:
Oh, that's— I'm an Aquarius. We're apparently aliens. To be human. I think to be human is caring about other people. Empathy would probably be what it means to be human.

Jennifer Norman:
What is one truth that you live by?

Angela Murray:
There's so many. That's a hard one.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah. If you had to choose just one, what would that be?

Angela Murray:
Be yourself. Don't change yourself for anyone or anything. Just be yourself, and the right people will absolutely find you.

Jennifer Norman:
There you are. That's beautiful. And where would you like for people to go to learn more about you, your books, the work that you're creating through Aurilah?

Angela Murray:
Everything about me and my work and my books and all of that can all be found on my website, Aurilah.com. My social media, I rarely post on my social media because I spend more time working on my clients' social media than I do on my own. All the important information All of that information can be found on my website, and I can also be contacted through my website. And if you want to book an initial chat with me, that can all be done on the website as well.

Jennifer Norman:
Fantastic. Well, Angela, thank you so much for spending your time with me today and for sharing your story, your work, all of it. I appreciate the care that you bring. You're very tender and you've got just such a delightful way about you. So thank you so much. To everybody listening, perhaps there's something that you've been putting off that deserves another look, an idea, a conversation, or decision that you keep handing over to somebody else. You don't have to resolve every doubt today. You might start by asking, what would help me take one step? What would help me understand my subconscious a little bit better? And what can I work through to really ensure that my life is being designed around my needs? You'll find Angela's links in the show notes.

Jennifer Norman:
If this conversation brought somebody else to mind, then please share it with them too. And I'd love to hear from you. Where in your life are you learning to become more of Where are you learning to trust yourself and to believe in yourself? Thank you for being with us today. Until next time, be gentle with yourself as you grow. Your worth is already here. I'm Jennifer Norman. This is The Human Beauty Movement Podcast. I'll see you in the next episode.

Jennifer Norman:
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