Episode 13: Nitika Chopra - Beauty Beyond Chronic Illness

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Hello, beautiful humans.
Welcome to another episode of

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Role Models GC conversations
with beautiful humans.

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I'm Jennifer Norman founder of
the human Beauty movement and

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your host, today's guest is the
one and only netiquette Chopra

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seriously folks.
Nitta is my kind of gal, after

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living, with severely,
debilitating, psoriasis and

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psoriatic arthritis, Titus for
over 30 years in Attica, Found

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the courage to open up about her
health.

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She realized that life changing
power of support and Community

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helped her on her own self-love
journey and now she's doing the

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same for thousands of others.
You know, if you've ever felt

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like you didn't belong because
of the health challenges, you

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face Medica gets it.
She's the founder of chronic on

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and inclusive conference focused
on uplifting people who are

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living with chronic.
And she's also expanded the

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concept to live online through
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It features inspiration,
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And empowerment for chronically
ill folks across the globe to

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connect.
Welcome dedica.

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Thanks so much for having me.
I was so excited to be here.

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Oh, I'm so glad to have you now.
I'd like to go back to the early

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days because you were first
diagnosed with psoriasis at the

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age of 10, right?
Yes.

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I was tell us about what it was
like to all of a sudden.

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See this as a Child.
Yeah, I mean it really caught me

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off guard and I can still sort
of feel that when I think about

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it and I go back to that point
in time I was like, most

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ten-year-old kids.
I was sort of oblivious to these

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bigger issues that a lot of
people face because I was a, you

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know, relatively healthy kid.
And I wasn't really thinking

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about my body in this particular
way.

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And I ended up getting a spot on
my left arm and my family

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thought, you know, maybe it's
eczema or something and my

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parents have had a little eggs
and It went away pretty quickly

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with the cream, and so they
weren't really worried about it.

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And over time, I finally got to
see the doctor and they did like

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a biopsy and almost stuff and we
found out that it was psoriasis.

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And I remember feeling the
worried that my family had

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because they were sort of told,
this could be a more serious

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thing.
And I feel like I kind of close

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my eyes and then open them again
and it's like a year later, and

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I'm completely covered.
So, it started with one spot but

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I ended up having Hang it, from
the tip of my foot to the tip of

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my head for about 17 years of my
life.

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Wow.
Yeah.

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For those who aren't familiar
with psoriasis, could you

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describe it and what you were
feeling?

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Yeah, absolutely.
So psoriasis is an autoimmune

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disease but it's one that
impacts your skin and so a lot

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of people who get it, they get
it like maybe in their scalp or

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on their joints like on their
elbows or their knees or

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something like that.
But I ended up as I said,

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getting it all over and it's
basically like it.

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It's just like Chicken pox.
It's like very, very, very itchy

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and there's a few different
types of psoriasis that the kind

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that I have is these red scaly
patches and so it's like rough

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dry skin.
And essentially, your skin is

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like regenerating way too fast
and it's creating new cellular

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skin on top of your regular skin
cells and so it creates these

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scaly patches so there's
different kinds but that's the

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kind that I had and it itches
really badly and so then you're

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kind of like flaking dry skin,
almost like how you see when

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someone has dry My skin and they
have, like, dandruff or

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something.
My whole body was like that and

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then it xia's and if you scratch
it it would bleed.

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Like it was really, it was
really hard.

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Oh my goodness.
And then later on when you are

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about 19, that really started to
escalate into something

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different.
What was that?

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Yeah, when I was 19, I was in my
college dorm and I was like,

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trying to open like the inside
bag.

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It's like a cereal box, you
know, like a box of cereal and

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it's like a simple movement to
open that.

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And Reason like my hands
wouldn't work and I didn't know

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what was going on.
Span up.

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Getting some testing done and
found out that I had psoriatic

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arthritis which is very common
to go hand-in-hand with

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psoriasis.
Some people have one and not the

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other but I got both and I got
that through all the bones in my

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body.
Oh my goodness.

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And then shortly after that,
they started to go and see some

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doctors about it.
And one doctor in particular,

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said that your bones were going
to start to become deformed if

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you didn't do something else.
Is that right?

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Yeah, you know it was A journey
to get to that point.

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But basically I had gotten
psoriasis, so young and I had

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really only done like topical
treatments for it.

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Other treatments that we have.
Now, we're not as available back

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then and then when I got sorry,
I had a car Freitas, I had tried

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a medicine that it really
backfired.

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It like didn't work on me very
well.

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So I became kind of scared to
try something new.

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There was more like medicinal
and then yeah, after about five

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or six years of really like
having a hard time walking

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really the kind of becoming
nearly Mobile for a lot of the

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first half of my 20s, my
rheumatologist at the time.

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Finally, took x-rays of me and
he was just like, your bones are

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going to become permanently
deformed.

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If you don't, stop this
degenerative processes

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happening.
And then obviously I was like

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25, you know, and I was like oh
my God, I'm not really living my

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life.
That was a huge part of it too.

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I just felt like I couldn't
really live, you know, because I

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was talking bad, a lot.
It was in pain a lot.

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I didn't really have the
physical freedom to like go

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explore.
Or go figure out even like, for

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anyone who's been in pain.
It's like it consumes your mind

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in such an intense way, you know
what I mean?

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So all those things were
happening and I finally, after

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my doctor said that I was like,
okay, I think I'm ready to try

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medicine again, even though that
first time didn't work and it

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kind of set me back, I think
there's been updates and, you

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know, but I can find something
that will work this time and I

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did and I found a medicine that
really helped me and allowed me

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to kind of have a new lease on
life.

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That's amazing.
Now there is always a struggle,

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especially Really for us who are
more inclined to prefer natural

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products and natural
ingredients, and things like

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that.
It's almost been a taboo.

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If you go to the Western
medicine front and I know that I

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battled that a lot with my own
situation with my son who also

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suffers from a genetic disorder
which is a mitochondrial

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disease.
And for a while you're looking

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for holistic, treatments, you're
looking for things like that and

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granted, you know, we called the
shamans, we did all of that.

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We did the acupuncture.
We did a lot of the healing and

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that use to be modalities that
we do practice.

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You just had a Reiki session the
other day.

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But when the body needs, it
medicine is there for a reason

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there is absolutely no taboo and
nothing wrong and no shame in

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needing to dip into Western
medicine for those things that

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are not curable or otherwise
addressed for your own purpose,

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you know.
It's like yes some people might

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benefit from doing the holistic
thing and it may work great.

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But everybody is unique.
Everybody is different and it is

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Okay to need to go into medicine
for what needs you so that you

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can find comfort.
And it gets you to that place

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where you can Elevate to a
situation where the funk starts

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to lift away.
Right?

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You know, the pain starts to be
alleviated and then you can

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start functioning and getting to
a place where you can

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participate in your own self.
Healing, a bit more.

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Is that kind of accurate for you
too?

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Yeah, for sure I wish there
wasn't such a taboo on taking

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medication because I definitely
for those early years of my

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twenties, I was I was learning
about self-love, I was learning

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about, you know, manifestation
love and light, and these

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things.
And I also was learning about

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acupuncture and things like that
as well.

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And I still follow.
So many of the things that I

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learned back then.
Like, I try to keep a positive

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mindset, even a simple thing,
like drinking enough water, it

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always having water with me.
You know, I go to an

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acupuncturist.
Now, I have long haul covid that

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I'm dealing with lately, so I go
to an acupuncturist every week.

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It's not Or the other.
But I also take my medication

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every, you know, two weeks.
And that's what I'm supposed to

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be taking it.
And I think it does such a

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disservice to shame people,
which I think is a lot of what

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happens that one way is totally
wrong or the other way is the

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only way.
It's just I think they can all

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live together, you know.
It doesn't have to be so all or

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nothing.
And I think that's actually the

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way that we create real Harmony
for our bodies and ourselves and

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our minds even.
So, yeah, I experience that a

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lot but I definitely felt like
just so afraid.

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I even felt afraid to tell
people in my work, you know, as

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an entrepreneur and I'm talking
about all the things like,

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self-love things are talking
about living with chronic

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illness.
I was so afraid to tell people

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that I too have to take
medication and like, no, I

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didn't just sit on a Mountaintop
and say, ohm for like two days

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and then not have any chronic
illnesses.

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It's constant.
And I think it's just a shame

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that we shame people into
thinking that they need to do it

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another way.
Yeah, the one that I've been.

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Hearing a lot lately is about
the idea or the concept of

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dis-ease, which is disease, but
people believe that.

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Oh, there's something inherently
going on in your subconscious,

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or in your system that your body
is fighting against and it's

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manifesting as dis ease and so,
yeah, I guess that could be a

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thing.
But honestly, I honestly believe

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that, you know, things are going
to happen.

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The fact that you may have
cancer or the fact that you may

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develop psoriasis is not your
Fault.

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And I think that that's the
thing, that the idea or the

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concept of dis ease, please out
of my people was like, oh my

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God, I'm doing something.
There's something that's

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unsettled within my soul or
within me that is manifesting.

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And how do I get rid of this
through either meditation or all

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of these things which may not
necessarily be all about Western

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medicine.
But again, I just want to kind

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of last out the stigma about dis
ease or about having chronic

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illness, because there is no
shame about it.

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There is only the fact that this
is This is life and that it's

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definitely a place where we do
seek to alleviate pain and

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discomfort and doing that
through medicine.

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Doing that through any kind of
healing modalities that are

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right for you is perfectly okay?
Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah I heard that dis he's thing
like years ago and I grabbed

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onto it when I first heard it
because I was like oh my God.

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Okay.
Like if I just think perfectly

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or if I just think he'll these
negative thoughts that I have

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then that means Means I won't
have this dis ease in me.

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Like okay and I did that for
years to myself and to be honest

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with you, I feel like that made
me more sick than actually made

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me feel better because I was so
stressed about thinking.

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Anything less than love and
light, everything is great.

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Everything is going to be
amazing.

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At any time I had like a real
thought or like a tender thought

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or I had any fear or anything,
that's like completely normal.

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I would feel scared.
And I was making myself more

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sick, which is just not the way
people not the way.

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Yeah, and on top of that, you
know, now that we're touching

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on, like, mental health.
And what not, I know like, from

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a cultural perspective, the
idea.

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Oh, you've got something wrong
with your skin or oh, your body

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doesn't look like how we ideally
want your body to look, no

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matter what that could be.
You know, whether that is an

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extra five pounds or acne or
wrinkles or what have you tell

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me what that was?
Like, because culturally I

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believe that.
The Southeast Asian woman there

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was something with your family
and culturally that really also

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impacted you growing up, right?
Yeah, you know as much as we've

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talked about how it's not
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thoughts your disease, right?
We talked about that a lot there

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is also this part of me that is
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connected to something greater
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through my body and so growing

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up in a family where in the
Indian culture, Very much about

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keeping things under wraps.
It's very much about doing the

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things that are going to look
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Doing what other people will
think is, okay, doing things

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that you're obligated to do or
out of Duty versus what's true

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for you.
I did not come out of the womb

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that way I just did not.
I have never been that way and

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that doesn't mean that I'm like
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feathers.
It's not that.

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But my mom ever since I was 2
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A key, which means firecracker
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anything, if it doesn't feel
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up.
I will say no, I will ask why I

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will call people out.
I just want the truth.

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That's what I've always, always,
always strived for and in a

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family, or in a culture where
the truth is kind of secondary

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to what looks good.
It's really inconvenient.

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It was really, really Really,
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is really connected to my health

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and I honestly still feel that
today like so many of my

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friendships and now I'm 41 and I
feel like I finally have settled

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into a Groove with so many
friends that I feel are in my

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life and love me because I am
this way versus for so long.

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I felt I was friends with are
trying so hard to be friends

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with their being relationships
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part of me but that's the beauty
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Now I get to It'd be like, oh
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want to be friends with the
people who love me because they

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come to me because I'm always
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So, yeah, in terms of cultural
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that doesn't quite acknowledge
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actually think that that part
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other part.
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struggled with my weight a lot
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It's funny.
Like I think my psoriasis and my

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story out of arthritis was
always so intense, they were

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trying to fix me but they never
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Your size because of that.
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really really sick.
I would lose a lot of weight and

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then I would be acceptable.
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wasn't feeling well, and I was
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or my inflammation was really
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was not okay.
That I was heavier.

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So that's that's actually more
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on in terms of like my
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then coupled with wanting the
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I completely can relate from the
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people can because you know, it
is a journey for you to like

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discover who you are.
It's almost like that Journey

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back to ourselves right where
no, there's so much that we take

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as external influence from the
people that we love or the

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people that we look up to, for
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what's not, and rather than
really discovering it for

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ourselves and being okay, with
how we are that creates such a

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friction in us, being able to
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I was and that causes us to feel
insecure in ourselves and it

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resonates and it creates all
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Where once you do find that, you
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It's almost like a surrendering,
right?

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That's almost like you know
what, I can't fight this

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anymore, you get to a point
where yeah wow I'm suddenly okay

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with myself and I'm just going
to be me and then once you are

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you realize that law of
attraction works and you find

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the people that love you for who
you are because you know you

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love who you are other people
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Yeah it's so true.
It's taken me a while.

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While to get there.
I actually I'm I just turned 41

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a couple months ago and I feel
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said, I'm sure it's going to
even more and more and more as I

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get older.
But yeah, this birthday really

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feel like that's been like the
biggest difference that I

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finally feel, if you don't like
me or don't want what's going on

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over here, like, please leave,
I'm actually fine with that

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because like, I have people who
do want exactly how I am but it

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takes time to get there.
Yeah, and there will be days

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where it's more and then they'll
Days where you'll feel a little

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bit woozy is not a great day for
me and that's okay too.

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You know, it's just like long
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There's more moving forward in
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through time and going through
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that a win.
I think that's a pretty

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successful life.
Totally, totally, I agree.

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Yeah, so then as you were on
your path, you started to almost

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get to this place where you had
a ritual of self-care going.

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You kind of got into the Schick
of like, that was the thing that

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helped you to I think Elevate
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Yourself into this place where
oh I have a little bit more

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energy to devote to myself and
then girlfriend's, you went all

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out.
Even I mean, you started to

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become a Global TV host, on
natural, beautiful on Z living,

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you represented fresh a beauty.
Brand on QVC, you founded your

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bella, life, and online,
lifestyle magazine.

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So, what gave you this impetus
to really go into this place

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where you were gravitating
towards an image-based career?

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Yeah, that's such a beautiful
way.

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Put it.
So when I was 15, I like to tell

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the story because I think
nowadays we can look on social

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media, or wherever and just see
the finished product of someone,

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or even just like feel
competitive, like, it's like all

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about the results or the end
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But when I was 15, and I was
really in the part of all the

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devastation was going through
with my body and I was really

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struggling.
And I also I was in high school.

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I had a really hard time
concentrating in class and

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Bullied a lot and all these
things and a lot of that came

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back to like what I was dealing
with, with my health, I had this

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experience with what I call God
but, you know, call it what you

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want or to me.
I'm a very spiritual person and

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not a religious person really at
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person.
I had this moment where I really

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was like on my knees.
Just like I don't know how I'm

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going to do this anymore, I feel
like I don't understand why you

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brought me here like this is
what I was saying out loud.

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God I'm a locked myself in
Closet was sitting at the bottom

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of my closets on my floor and I
was just like, I don't know why

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you brought me here just to
like, put me through this much

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suffering and I feel like so
many people have had that

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experience, right?
Where you're just like make it

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make sense II don't understand.
I actually do not understand and

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I heard a message that was so
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I'm going to expel me chills.
It's been so many years since I

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have been telling the story that
I always get chills whenever I

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share it.
And I heard a message that was

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so So clear and all I heard was
this is not about you and I and

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I didn't know getting chills.
I'm gonna yeah look my arm hair

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is growing so much right now.
Yeah that's when you know that's

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when you know Divine message
it's powerful.

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Yeah and I didn't know what that
really meant, right?

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I was 15 and there was no I mean
it's barely internet back.

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Then there was no blogging and
you know my friends that are

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authors and like all these There
was none of that, but I knew it

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was true.
I knew I didn't understand what

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it meant, but I knew it was
true.

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So from that moment forward, I
allowed myself to believe that

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my suffering was not about me.
And I sort of ever since that

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moment.
And even today, you know, even

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with doing lots of things, I'm
constantly on the expedition of

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like, what is this.
Why did you give me two decades

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worth of Plus of suffering, why
did you put me through that

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Journey?
What is it, what every single

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day I want to be living up to
what you told me that my purpose

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was like the reason for you
doing this and this.

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So my first attempt at that was
ballet.

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If you know, you're about
life.com, which is closed now.

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But I had that initially, I
started it because I really

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wanted my own talk show because
I really believe that my love

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for performance and my love.
We're talking and, you know, all

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that kind of stuff was meant to
be married with sharing a deeper

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story and Anime connections.
I didn't have any experience.

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I didn't have any knowledge of
how to do it, but I basically

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created a life as a sort of
template for what a talk show,

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could be and prayed and charge
my credit card, and I hired a

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graphic designer.
And then three years later.

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I ended up getting my own talk
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that still wasn't it.
It was amazing.

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It was so beautiful.
It was such.

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Incredible Journey and for me
talking about beauty and talking

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about self-love and all those
kinds of things are so

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important.
But I really wanted to be

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talking about chronic illness
and I didn't know how to do that

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and then beginning and I didn't
even know that I was like at

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allowed to do that because I
didn't know anyone who was

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really talking about those
things.

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It was that first moment that
led me to that and it's sort of

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unfold it and there are.
Yeah I think that that's an

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extraordinary.
Story and to the people who are

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entrepreneurs, I'm an
entrepreneur entrepreneur and

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who feel like, oh, they're
afraid to fail, it's like, oh

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gosh.
What if I fail and that fear is

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holding them back.
Whereas, if you just think about

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it, like school, like life is
all about practice and it's just

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as if you're learning how to
play ball or if you're in

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school, it's like perhaps that
step was your Elementary School,

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you know?
And then it's kind of like

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congratulations, you've
graduated that moves aside and

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it creates A New Path for you to
start opening up.

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Up into something new, which is
bigger, and more aligned with

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who you are becoming.
And so, yeah, I think that the

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idea of being image-based, it
was almost like, because you

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were here a little firecracker.
I think it's just like, you

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know, heck with you psoriasis.
Heck with you, but, you know,

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it's like this is me and it was
like, your way of almost pushing

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yourself and forcing yourself
into a position where it's like,

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this is the beautiful life that
I am creating.

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This is the natural life that I
am creating and I can see how as

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you're sifting and sorting and
going through that process.

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To that.
It really didn't mail it for you

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either.
And so, perhaps this next phase,

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which is your chronic on story,
this is the new Evolution of it

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being, okay, to be chronically,
anything, you know, it's like

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let's lift off the stigma.
Let's lift off the shame.

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Let's give people an opportunity
to come together and celebrate

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those winds.
However, big or small that they

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might be.
Yeah, so tell me about chronic

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on tell our listeners what this
is and what they can expect

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their.
Yeah.

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So I launched chronicon in 2019.
It's a At form, that's dedicated

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to elevating the lives of those
living with a chronic illness.

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A lot of people don't realize
almost half the population of

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the United States has a chronic
illness.

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That's over a hundred and thirty
three million Americans.

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And a chronic illness is
anything that has persistent

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symptoms for three months or
longer.

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So a lot of people might not
even realize they have a chronic

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illness, which happens actually
a lot.

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They don't even know that they
can claim being a part of that

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population.
So I launched chronicon Is, I've

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had multiple chronic illnesses
for most of my life and I

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genuinely always felt like I was
the only one and I have people

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in my family that have chronic
illnesses and I still felt, they

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don't have the same ones that I
do.

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They don't have the same
symptoms, you know?

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So I still felt so alone in my
journey and it kind of just came

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to an inflection point where I
was like, wait a second.

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I feel so alone are there.
Like not that many of us like,

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what's happening, like, how come
and then I realized that there

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are this many people people that
have a chronic illness and I

447
00:23:31,108 --> 00:23:34,800
just saw such a disconnect and
this such a disservice to all

448
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,500
the people out there that are
going through.

449
00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,000
So much of what I've gone
through with your son is gone

450
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,800
through and you you've gone
through As a caretaker and we

451
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,900
feel like there's something
wrong that we are the only ones

452
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:48,900
or no one understands us or
we're doing this completely in a

453
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,900
silo and I actually think of it,
very similarly to the curvy

454
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:57,300
industry and how curvy women
would often meet owned by a lack

455
00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,600
of marketing and lack of
advertising and Commedia that

456
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,700
they don't get married, but they
don't go to work out classes

457
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:06,800
that they don't go looking cute
at brunch, right?

458
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,400
They just ignored left out of
those conversations.

459
00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:13,300
And now of course, the curvy
Industries are 24 billion dollar

460
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:17,600
a year industry and they have
shown in a massive way that not

461
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,700
only do they do those things but
they're absolutely beautiful and

462
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:23,300
they're thriving and their
multi-dimensional, they're not

463
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:26,500
just curvy.
And so I really see that that's

464
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:29,300
what is needed and what is
possible for us to come.

465
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:33,400
The feel folks, we deserve our
own industry that is dedicated

466
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,800
and really pervasive in the
meeting at in the landscape out

467
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,700
there, in a way that has a
skilled truly seen.

468
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:44,700
So, chronicon is my answer to
that chronicon is our way of

469
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:48,400
taking that step and saying, we
are here and we deserve to be

470
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,100
here.
We deserve to be marketed to, we

471
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,200
deserve to be a part of
society's narrative in a

472
00:24:53,208 --> 00:24:55,700
positive way in a
multi-dimensional way and like,

473
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:59,700
let's do something about that.
So, it's a conference and And

474
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,800
community.
And yeah, it's the love of my

475
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,400
life honestly, that is super
special.

476
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,300
And so how does somebody Joy nor
are their criteria to be part of

477
00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:11,500
it?
We were having a conference in

478
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:15,500
Brooklyn.
This fall October 28, and when

479
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:18,700
the tickets are available in
probably July, you follow at

480
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:22,200
chronicon, official you'll see
notices are Instagram, so you

481
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,500
can join us there.
But there is an online

482
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,700
community, as I mentioned and
that anyone in the world can

483
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,300
join me, have people from all
over?

484
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,400
The world.
You just have to sign up.

485
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,400
It's The Chronic on
community.com and it's a monthly

486
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,400
membership that we have a
criteria.

487
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:41,300
If you read what's going on in
there and it resonates with you,

488
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,500
you're welcome to join.
We have people who are

489
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,100
caretakers.
We have people who are

490
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:48,100
facilitators, who are doctors,
we have people who have horse

491
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:51,300
are actually chronically ill, so
I believe that we need to all

492
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,800
come together.
And so it's open to whoever

493
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,200
wants to join and especially if
you have a chronic illness and

494
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,400
we have events every single
week, which is Amazing and we

495
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,100
also have content every single
day.

496
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,100
So it's a beautiful supportive
place to be.

497
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,500
That sounds amazing.
Now, the Curious thing that I've

498
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,900
come across with some particular
groups that I've been part of a

499
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,200
groups on special needs that
I've been part of, I've been

500
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,500
part of my toe support groups
and things like that, and I've

501
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:21,500
kind of come in and out of them.
Because I found that when I

502
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:25,400
first had received, my son's
diagnosis, I was in this

503
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,300
panicky, I need to figure out
everything that I can possibly

504
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,600
figure out about this disorder
and what I can do about it.

505
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,700
I think that I was just in like
research and help me panic fix

506
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:38,900
mode.
And so I joined all of these

507
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,700
different groups asking
questions and getting a lot of

508
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:45,500
wonderful answers and then I
think As I Grew into it I was

509
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,900
finding that it no longer serve
me at least some of the group's.

510
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:53,400
They were kind of keeping me in
this space of overwhelm and of

511
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,000
hearing a lot of stories that
were keeping me in almost a

512
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,900
place of helplessness.
And so For my own mental sanity

513
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,000
and health.
I was like, you know what?

514
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,100
I feel like, maybe I can do this
on my own and so it was okay for

515
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:09,500
a time of my life and I totally
think that it's great for

516
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,600
people.
Those particular ones were great

517
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,100
for people who were looking for
answers, but it became

518
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:17,400
exhausting like physically
exhausting for me to see a lot

519
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,700
of other people going through
their issues.

520
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,900
And unfortunately, a lot of
children who are passing away

521
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:25,800
and different things like that,
which for my own fragile

522
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,300
sensibilities, it became really
hard for me to take on that.

523
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,700
Additional emotion even though
it's like you want to help you

524
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,600
want to do what you can but at
the same time you're also trying

525
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,600
to heal and deal with all of the
things that you're dealing with

526
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,500
at home.
Are there any tips or advice or

527
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,500
are there any subsets that you
can think about or that you

528
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:48,100
offer that are good for people
on the different stages of their

529
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:50,800
healing Journeys?
That's such a great question.

530
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:56,000
Konig on, is for the person who
is ready to learn what it means

531
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,800
for them to thrive in their
life, with their illness.

532
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:01,300
And we have themes every single
month.

533
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:04,200
The First theme of the year is
all about thriving with chronic

534
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,100
illness.
And we talked about how that

535
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,700
word can even be triggering if
you have a chronic illness

536
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,600
because sometimes we can that a
bad or we have awful brain fog.

537
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,300
We can barely get through a
meeting or whatever it might be,

538
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,300
but we talked a lot in that
month about how it is about

539
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:20,800
knowing yourself.
Well enough.

540
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,900
So that, you know what that
means for you, in that moment.

541
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,200
It's not about comparing it to
anyone else and so every single

542
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,600
month and every single day
chronicon, We talked about what

543
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,000
it means to celebrate our lives.
We have gratitude breads, we

544
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000
have friends about winning every
single week.

545
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,000
It's not that maybe we're doing
as much as the person next to us

546
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,400
or that we're doing as much as
we're doing before we got

547
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,600
diagnosed.
But it's about taking the

548
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600
opportunity.
Every chance we can to the focus

549
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,300
on what we are doing and focus
on how much we have grown you

550
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:56,700
know, and I think so often when
you get a diagnosis I know this

551
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,800
is definitely been the case for
me, you're just one of Did like

552
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,200
you're just a sick person, you
know.

553
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200
And I think the thing was
chronicon is like we are

554
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,500
fighting every single day to
make sure that people know they

555
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:11,900
are full human being seeing life
through the lens of the

556
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:14,900
chronically ill, you know, and
having a chronic illness, but

557
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:16,900
they're singing, We have arts
and crafts.

558
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,600
We have a whole group that does
art projects together.

559
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:22,300
We have different events.
We're learning about plants, and

560
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,600
we're learning about burnout.
And we're learning about all

561
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,200
these different things that have
nothing to do necessarily with

562
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,200
the fact that we have.
Achilles has.

563
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:32,300
We're always bringing that to
the Forefront.

564
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,100
And we're always acknowledging
that there's nuances because

565
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,700
we're living with certain
conditions, but it's so much

566
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:39,400
more than that.
And I think that forms and

567
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,900
something I'm talking about,
I've experienced the same thing,

568
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000
there's like for the medication
that I'm on, there's all these

569
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,000
forms, you know, you can go in
and it is terrifying and it's

570
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000
terrifying.
And gives me so much anxiety, it

571
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,300
makes me so depressed.
And a lot of people who join

572
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:58,100
chronic on say that they've had
that same experience.

573
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,400
I chronicon is complete.
You different from that.

574
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,200
It doesn't mean you can't share
when you're having a tough time,

575
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,500
but we do have chronic on
instead of trauma.

576
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,100
Dumping will do something like,
hey guys, I'm in the hospital,

577
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,900
I'm having a crazy surgery.
Can you send me your cat

578
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:16,500
pictures or can you send me your
pictures of your fur babies?

579
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,200
You know what I mean?
So it's like we acknowledge it.

580
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,300
Like, this is annoying.
I have to get another surgery.

581
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:26,400
And can you write in the feet
with some cute pictures of

582
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400
infrared Rays?
You know, so that's kind of The

583
00:30:29,408 --> 00:30:31,800
difference and I think that's
such an important thing that you

584
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,600
bring up because a lot of people
are nervous to start and join

585
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,600
communities already dealing with
so much.

586
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,600
Like how am I gonna handle my
own paint along with holding

587
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,500
everybody else's?
That's not more.

588
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:45,700
Chronic pain is about.
Oh, that is so enlightening and

589
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,000
I'm so happy to hear that
because yeah, it can be that

590
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,500
there is that misery loves
company component.

591
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,900
So when you're feeling really
like helpless, there are

592
00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:58,800
probably places which will serve
you really well in that space

593
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,900
where you can.
You can just hold space and vent

594
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,600
if you need to.
But then being part of a

595
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,100
community where it's nothing but
venting and nothing that people

596
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,000
just commiserating doesn't help
Elevate you out of that place

597
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,400
and get you to that healing
place where we all want to stay

598
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,500
more positive and so yeah.
A freaking cat picture is

599
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,900
amazing and uh, sometimes I want
to see happy puppies, like

600
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:24,200
prancing down the hallway and
not that that's like ignoring

601
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,500
the problem.
It's just I versions are

602
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,200
important, laughter is really,
it's medicine.

603
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:33,600
In laughter and happiness, and
joy is medicine and any kind of

604
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,400
little bites of positivity that
you can get, can be super, super

605
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,500
helpful.
Yeah, we laugh a lot in a

606
00:31:41,508 --> 00:31:44,300
chronic own community and so
many people have become like in

607
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,900
real life friends with people
that they met in online and it's

608
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,800
just been, it's been such a
blessing.

609
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,600
So thank you very much.
It reminds me of the time.

610
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,600
My son was in the ICU and the
pqi Children's Hospital Los

611
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Angeles.
You know he had just been put on

612
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200
life support.
And things were so dark and

613
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,200
gloomy, but then all of a sudden
for whatever reason, I decided

614
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,400
to put on rave music.
And I blasted it to the point

615
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,400
where the nurses started coming
into our room and dancing with

616
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400
us.
And we were flashing the live

617
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,600
and it just need everybody crack
up.

618
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,100
It just was that little bit of
levity in what could be a crazy

619
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,500
situation where you just don't
know what's going to happen but

620
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:28,300
sometimes you just need that.
Absolutely.

621
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:30,700
It's mobile.
It's really incredible.

622
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Yeah, yeah.
Having lived with psoriasis and

623
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,800
also being a curvy girl, would
you ever have thought that you'd

624
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,600
see yourself on an advertisement
in a swimsuit and in New York

625
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,400
City bus sighs?
You're all now, tell me about

626
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,800
what this was like.
Absolutely not.

627
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,700
I would have never ever, ever,
ever guessed that.

628
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:53,800
It's been really wonderful.
It's been really just such an

629
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,100
honor.
Honestly, the reason why I'm

630
00:32:56,100 --> 00:33:00,300
passionate about it is because
it really speaks to Creating

631
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:02,800
that dialogue in that
conversation in media.

632
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,000
And when you can see it, right,
someone, another young girl who

633
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,200
has psoriasis sees me wearing my
bathing suit and being like,

634
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,800
whatever.
I'm up here, it's fine.

635
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,400
That means that she can do that,
you know, and she can have more

636
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,600
confidence.
And so that's why I think it's

637
00:33:18,608 --> 00:33:21,900
so important that we continue to
kind of fight through our own

638
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:25,300
insecurities, just keep going.
And yeah, it's been.

639
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,100
It's been such an honor to have
that experience.

640
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,300
I think that It is so beautiful
and not only that.

641
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,400
I mean, you are such a beautiful
person inside and out and so

642
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,300
absolutely.
You deserve that kind of

643
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,500
Limelight.
There was a point in my career

644
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:41,300
when I was working in the beauty
industry, for a very large

645
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:45,200
company, and one of the board
members, who was one of the only

646
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,000
women in the company and upper
management said out loud, when

647
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,800
you're 50 and a woman, you
disappear, you are invisible.

648
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,100
And I thought to myself, well
gosh, that's really sad at the

649
00:33:57,108 --> 00:33:59,800
time.
I was probably in my Already is

650
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,600
and I was like, oh gosh, I don't
have much time.

651
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,200
And and what is it about?
This industry that makes people

652
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,300
feel like they are unworthy, or
they just don't deserve to be

653
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:10,400
seen, you know, fast forward
here.

654
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,199
I'm 52 years old.
And we're on the same model

655
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,100
board and I just can't believe
it either.

656
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,100
You know, who would have ever
thought that a girl who's 52

657
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,300
South Korean and over 50 would
ever be a model.

658
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,800
That was just a completely
astounding moment for me when I

659
00:34:24,808 --> 00:34:28,500
got that call now.
Well, it's so fun to do this

660
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,199
together.
I'm excited to see what it out

661
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:32,800
of it.
It's like such a journey.

662
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,900
True, true.
So now I know that you've got

663
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,500
probably lots of advice or
things that have worked for you

664
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,800
and I never really like to give
advice myself because it's you

665
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,400
know, take what you want.
It's like if any of the things

666
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,199
that we say here on this podcast
or anything that you might see

667
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,699
on a blog or whatnot, you know,
try it on like a new dress and

668
00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:55,400
if you think that it feels good,
then try it on and see what

669
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,200
works.
But if it doesn't, then move on.

670
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,200
But are there any things that
helped you?

671
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,600
Along the way or anything that
you would impart as far as

672
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wisdom that people living with
chronic illness and how to get

673
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,200
to a place of self-love.
Well, I'm with you on the not

674
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,400
giving advice thing I agree.
Yeah, I shy away from that a

675
00:35:10,408 --> 00:35:15,400
little bit, but what I will say
that's helped me is I think we

676
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:21,400
often don't take enough time to
get quiet were so busy, and I

677
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000
can be guilty of this too,
especially like when I'm having

678
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,800
a hard time that's like, when I
avoid getting quiet like more

679
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,900
and more, More.
And I just find that, that has

680
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probably been the biggest help
for me over the years, is no

681
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:40,600
matter what's going on, whether
it's with my body, or in

682
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,100
relationships, or with work, or
whatever, it might be, just

683
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taking that time and whatever
getting quiet means for you.

684
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So sometimes it's like I get
into bed, a little early and I

685
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just lie there and kind of pray
out loud or I kind of, you know,

686
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,100
talk to God out loud while I'm
trying to fall asleep or other

687
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:00,000
times.
I turn off all Technology.

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00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,300
And I'll just take my water and
they'll sit by my view.

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And I'll look out and I'll be
like, okay, I'm just going to

690
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:08,600
take in what's in front of me
and not focus on anything else.

691
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,800
So it really figure out what
feels good to you.

692
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:15,600
But I really think getting quiet
allows us to Center into more

693
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,700
kindness into more truth and
honesty with ourselves and have

694
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,200
a gentler or Kinder approach to
what we're navigating and like,

695
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,700
what might be really, really
challenging in that moment

696
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:31,200
versus trying to force and Push
and compare and feel like we

697
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,100
should be in a different place.
I honestly think just getting

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00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,200
quiet and allowing herself that
really really makes a big

699
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,000
difference and it's something I
don't think we do enough.

700
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,700
So it's a really basic thing and
there's like a thousand other

701
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,400
things I can say.
But I think if you could do

702
00:36:44,408 --> 00:36:47,200
that, one thing, you would
probably feel a little bit more

703
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,100
supported and a little better.
Yeah, I completely a million

704
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,900
times endorse that statement and
I often say, you know, we are

705
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,600
humans being not humans doing
and when we are humans doing

706
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,900
we're not Being for say and so
getting quiet, really gets us to

707
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,700
that place where we're not
actioning, we're not forcing so

708
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,800
much.
We're not thinking about all the

709
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,800
things that are on our to-do
list, rather, we're thinking

710
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,100
about how do I want to be?
How do I want to feel?

711
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:16,200
You know, what is my life like,
what do I want it to be?

712
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,100
Like, how am I serving myself?
How am I serving others?

713
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,000
And and you start getting to
those bigger deeper questions

714
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000
rather than being influenced by
everything that you see on your

715
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,600
screens and it helps you to be
more true to To yourself and to

716
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,900
find what you really need and
what you really want, rather

717
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,200
than being.
So, susceptible to a lot of the,

718
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,300
the news and things that are
happening elsewhere in the

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00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,900
world, letting that impact our
emotions.

720
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,600
Yeah, well, nittaku Chopra, it
was a delight to speak with you

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00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,000
today.
Thank you so much for all of

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00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,600
your wisdom and what you're
doing with chronic on everybody.

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I invite you to follow nitta on
her website as well as on

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00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,700
chronic on and Instagram.
I'll be putting all of Handles

725
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,600
below so that you can find her
and we'll see you again for

726
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,000
another episode of Role Models
next week.

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00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:02,500
Handles below so that you can
find her and we'll see you again

728
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:05,000
for another episode of Role
Models next week.