Episode 7: Sara Davenport, 2x Cancer Survivor & Modeling Agent - F*ck Toxicity!

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Hello, beautiful humans, welcome
to another episode of Role

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Models GC conversations with
beautiful humans.

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Today's guest is a very special
person meet Sarah Davenport.

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There are just not enough
positive adjectives in the

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dictionary, to describe this
woman.

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When I hear the phrase.
God will never give you more

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than you can handle.
Well, I think of Sarah and I

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think it's so many other Brave
individuals who have been

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diagnosed with cancer.
Not once but twice or multiple

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times and kicked its ass to the
moon.

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During her career, Sarah worked
in the fashion industry for many

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years.
And can I just say, if we think

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cancer is toxic try working in
the fashion industry as a

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modeling agent.
Sorry.

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I needed to make a change for
her own well-being.

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So enter natural models, a
radically inclusive.

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The modeling agency, where
representation is always in

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fashion.
This modeling agency is way

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ahead of the curve.
So today, Sarah is agency

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director of natural models.
And I am so honored to be

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represented by her, because she
is changing the game of Model

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Management.
Welcome, Sarah.

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Oh, thank you so much for that.
Very lovely introduction.

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So happy to be here.
Thank you for asking me.

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Lee and I am so happy to have
you here.

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So I would love for you to tell
your story to everybody tell us

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about your early life and what
the beginning of your career was

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like how much time do you have?
I always joke that I've already

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lived Ten Lives.
So yeah, I moved, I grew up in

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Iowa.
So very like, small-town, always

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was obsessed with fashion.
Got Vogue and Elle and all the

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magazines.
And I remember my parents.

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And being like, why do you let
her get these magazines?

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This doesn't seem right.
They were like whatever.

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She loves it.
And always been to Art and

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Design.
All of that, move to Los

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Angeles.
The day after I graduated from

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college.
My initial plan was to work in

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the art department on movies TV,
things like that.

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And that's what I started doing.
I harassed an art director on

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this one movie and totally gave
me a job.

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I would call him like every
couple days ago.

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Hi, remember me?
Hi?

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Remember me?
And he was like you don't have

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enough experience web of lives.
Like you just have to meet me

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and then you'll want to give me
a job.

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So finally, he broke down was
like, fine, come in for a

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meeting.
Will you stop calling me?

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If I just bring you in for a
meeting?

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I was like, yeah, I'll stop
calling you if you just meet

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with me, so he met with me.
And then he was like, fine.

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I'll give you a job.
So that was my first job in

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Hollywood was working in the art
department on some.

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Bad, like B movies that, you
know, straight-to-video type of

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thing, but it didn't matter.
So I started working with him.

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We worked on several movies
together and then there would be

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big brakes of time in between
these movies.

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I wasn't making enough money to
just support myself.

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So I was like, okay, I got to
find something else to do and

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met a woman who produces fashion
shows.

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And so, she started hiring me.
So I was helping with, you know,

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the production side of things is
styling side of things,

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basically, whatever she needed,
we produce some shows.

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Bloomingdale's and they were
hiring for a PR system.

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Then I get hired a
Bloomingdale's.

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So I'm helping to put on all of
their fashion shows and events.

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And then from there, I met
people on the modeling agency

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side because I was booking the
models and got offered a job.

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And the rest is history.
I worked for agencies from then

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on several different agencies.
One of the biggest ones in

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Allah, Allah than help to open a
small agency like a boutique

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agency in Allah.
Allah.

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Yeah, so just started diving in
on that.

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Outside of thing.
So it was completely by

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accident.
That's an amazing story.

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And I love how you were.
So tenacious were younger and I

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have heard this from very
successful.

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Women particular, is that you
kind of have to be the nag and

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don't even consider yourself
nagging.

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This is you believing in
yourself and actually putting

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forth that energy of just
persistence persistence

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persistence pays off.
And so I encourage you all to

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get out there and nag some more
because Totally.

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I was like, I'm not just taking
no, for an answer.

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Like, you didn't even give me a
shot.

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He doesn't know me.
I'm just going to keep going.

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And yeah, and that says more
than anything because that skill

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of being able to continue in the
face of rejection.

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Internally, that guy saying,
yeah, this is a go-getter.

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This is somebody that's not
going to give up and I can

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actually use that on my team.
So, yeah, it was actually, it

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was really funny.
So my first day, like, on the

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job on set, I show up in and all
this and they had this moment of

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panic like I have no idea what
I'm doing.

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Then I and then I kind of looked
around.

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I was like, okay, how do I make
this work without getting fired

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immediately, you know, and so I
realized I was like, I need to

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learn to everyone's name on set
that will help me.

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That will be the first step.
So I went around meant every

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single person onset learned
every single person's name.

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So cut to the next day.
The grip Department had all of

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this stuff like right where we
needed to be setting up for art

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department and the art director
and the auction designer were

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just bitching.
I was like, oh, hold on just a

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second.
Let me see if I can help.

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I walked over to the league grip
and I was like, hey, Steve.

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Okay.
No, this is a bit of a hassle.

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Could you help us out?
We really need to get set up

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here.
You know, do you think we could

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get this stuff moved?
And he was like sure Sarah no

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problem.
So you've got his guys over,

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they moved it and burn director
in the production designer were

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like, who are you?
And what?

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Happened and they were like,
okay, good gear like the art

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Department.
We Aids on now missions.

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You just got yourself a new
role.

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So you started to get into like
a modeling agency side.

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And so, tell us about that, like
the early days and to be totally

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honest.
I struggled in the industry.

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I was good at my job and that
helped.

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But just as you mentioned, like
if you want to see it.

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Toxic environment, working in
that industry.

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It's brutal.
It's brutal.

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And you know, part of it was
just the standards for these

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girls almost my whole career.
It's been all right.

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Women have to be 59 to 511.
You have to be a size zero to

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maybe a size 4 as ice cores.
Pushing it, you have to, you

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know, look a certain way, your
body can't change.

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You have to do these things.
It was like, very rigid.

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Very brutal and you know, no one
had time.

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For like feelings of models or
it's like, nope, they're a

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commodity and they either do it
or they don't.

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And if they don't, then you
brush them aside.

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And and that was really hard for
me.

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And I, you know, for a lot of
years, I stayed in the job

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because I was like, I'm hoping
protect these girls.

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Like I felt very much like a
mama bear because nobody was

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nobody was looking out for the
girls.

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Nobody was and I would watch it
all the time, you know, if a

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girl Came in and she looked good
and she was making money.

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Everybody loved her.
They are the best friend.

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If, for some reason, something
changed, she wasn't booking.

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It was just like, you know, like
Mean Girls all the sudden, it

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shifted, your, you know, we
can't take your calls anymore.

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Yeah, things like that.
So, it was very much in the time

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of photographers, taking
advantage, clients taking

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advantage.
People, wanting to really not

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seeing models as humans.
And that It was so hard for me.

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Like I would have clients book
girls and then not feed them and

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they were there for 10 hours and
not have any food, not have any

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water.
And there were times when I

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would order pizzas and send them
to set, girl's got to eat.

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Like you can't not feed someone
all day.

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You know, they're like, well,
they're just models.

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I heard that so many times.
So the toxicity of it really

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wore me down.
This has been healthy for them.

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It's not healthy for me.
I mean I had a girl one time.

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She was 16 sent her to New York
her agency in New York made.

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Her get measured every single
day, like come in stand there.

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You have to stand with your feet
together, to measure, like the

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widest part of your hips.
And, you know, they would be

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like you're too fat, you're fat.
She was 511.

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She was a size 2 and she called
me one day.

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She was like, I can't take this
anymore.

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I have been coming in here for
weeks every single day, to have

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them.
Tell me, I'm too fat.

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She was like an and to add
insult to injury.

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They were sitting there eating
like french fries and burgers

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and talking to me.
Like, you're just too fat.

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Like we can't clients aren't
going to want you.

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You're too fat.
Like you need to go run more.

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She's like Sarah.
I'm barely eating.

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I'm running six miles a day.
I can't do this and I was like,

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come come home.
Come back to LA.

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Like this is insane, you know,
the damage that that does to a

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young woman, especially when you
think this is your dream and oh

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my God, you've made it your in
New York and then they just

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treat.
You like a piece of dirt.

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So, that's when I kind of
started thinking.

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What AM I going to be doing, I
can't do this for the rest of my

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life.
So I went back to school.

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I went to culinary school.
So for a year and a half.

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I would go to work from 8:00 to
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And then I would go to school
from 6, to 11 p.m.

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Five nights a week.
Clearly.

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It's because you were so hungry
for the girls that you needed to

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make some good food.
That's exactly where exactly, I

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would like all the food.
I also went to school to become

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a health coach and that kind of
feeds into my childhood.

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My parents didn't know anything
about all, they knew how to do

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was workout.
And then they ate horribly.

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Like we ate at McDonalds on
Monday and Taco Bell on Tuesday.

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And well, he's on Wednesday,
like it was bad.

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So that was part of my drive
without cuz I was like, I want

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to be healthy and I don't know
how to be like, I don't know how

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to cook.
I don't know how to take care of

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myself.
Self.

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And so I figured okay if I'm
struggling with this other

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people are struggling with this.
Let me learn how to do it and

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then I can help teach other
people.

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So that was the plan with that.
That's where cancer kind of came

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in out of left field and changed
everything.

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So, oh my gosh, fortunately a
knock on wood.

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I have never had a personal
experience with cancer.

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Many, many people around me.
Loved ones, friends, family have

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had it.
My own mom passed away from

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complications with cancer later
in life.

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Had a full life at all.
That I would love to just know

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you were seemingly in a healthy
situation, from a physical

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standpoint, at that moment.
And so it must have been quite a

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surprise for you when you did
get the diagnosis.

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Like what did you feel?
Did you have symptoms before

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that?
And what was that?

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Like it was so crazy to me.
I mean, I thought I was being

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super healthy and granted you
never know.

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I mean, I grew up in Iowa,
pesticides, fast food every day,

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like God only knows.
But at that time, yeah, I was

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extremely healthy and how I was
living.

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In hindsight.
Yes.

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I had symptoms.
I wrote them all off to stress.

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I was like, oh ho my job is
really demanding.

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Of course.
I'm tired.

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Yeah, so I drink a lot of coffee
because I can't get through the

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day.
There were symptoms and then my

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grandfather actually passed
away.

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So I went home for his funeral.
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And my mom looks at me and she's
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your neck.
I like, what are you talking

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about?
And my mom used to be a nurse?

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And so, she was like, no Sarah,
that's not normal.

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And it looked, I mean, and you
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Like when you go back, you can
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I have long hair.
I never looked at my neck.

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Like, I don't really think
anything of it and so, my mom

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was like, no, we're getting you
into a doctor tomorrow.

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That's not normal.
All right, fine.

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So it's a small town.
She knows everybody.

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So she called and she's like,
no, you're seeing this auntie

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tomorrow.
This is the appointment.

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We go in here.
Saturday.

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He doesn't ultrasound and he's
like, oh my God, that's totally.

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Cancer was like, I'm sorry.
What?

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First of all, don't you mean to
do a biopsy or something?

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Like, I don't know much and he
was like, okay.

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Let me sorry about that rewind.
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You should do a biopsy.
He's like, it's very calcified.

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You've got several tumors in
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I would be shocked if this
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Oh, okay, like was not expecting
that at all.

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Like not on the radar and then
you know, he was pushing his

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like, well, let's do a biopsy
right now.

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So we did the biopsy.
Like I can get you into surgery.

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Like next week, we can wrap this
up and I was like, I'm not

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having surgery in small-town,
Iowa.

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I live in Los Angeles, like no
offense, but I would rather go

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there be able to do follow-up
like have the team there.

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I don't want to, you know,
whatever.

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So So then we waited waited, got
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They were inconclusive.
So then I was like, okay, I, you

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know, let me go back to Allah.
Let me go see somebody there.

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I went to see an
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So she did the biopsy right
then, and there, and then it was

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like, oh, yeah, it's totally
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It was just so out of left
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It was not on my radar.
Nowhere near it.

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I'm just shocked for the longest
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I was just just numb from it
like, okay.

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What does this mean?
All right, what do we do?

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You know?
Just totally left field.

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Wow.
And so, this was thyroid.

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Correct.
And it turned out to be

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metastatic thyroid because it
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I had three giant tumors in my
neck, a lot of lymph nodes.

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So yeah, the scar is very small.
My surgeon did, my name is

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almost amazing job.
Wow, and so, what was the course

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of treatment?
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then you had to do a mugging.
Oh well, for this one so

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surgery.
And then, I had to wait two

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months for it to heal a bit.
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It's actually called
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sometimes they use it with
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It's one of the forms of
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So I did meet with a nuclear
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It was the weirdest experience.
I had to be isolated in the

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hospital for several days and
when I showed up for it, they

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have to shut you.
You in because you are

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radioactive, the whole idea of
it is that the thyroid cells are

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the only cells in the body that
up, take iodine.

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So, they give you this
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If there are any cells left,
they should take it up and then

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they'll die.
So, that's the thinking behind

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it.
But, I walk into the hotel room.

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Everything is covered in
plastic.

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You go into the bathroom.
Everything's covered the toilet

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seats covered.
They have to brush their this

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there and then they're like,
okay.

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Are you ready to take the iodine
pill and Like okay.

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Yeah, and they reel it in and
this little steel pot and

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they're like, okay, you're ready
to get some ready, take off the

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lid, pull it out, and it was
couple pills, but then they take

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it and then they leave and the
nurse comes in to check that

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they have these little markers
to show how much exposure

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they've had.
So they like come in, drop

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something off in Wing.
It's the weirdest experience.

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I'm sure because a covid, so
many people had to the isolated

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and different things, but at
that point, you know, it wasn't

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on my radar.
Our.

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And then, after a certain number
of days, it should have broken

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down enough to be able to let
you leave.

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Then they check you with a
geiger counter.

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It's like the other than you
know, and then they take, are

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you gonna so you're glowing or
you?

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And I was like, I'm
Spider-Woman, they take

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everything from the room and
they have to put it in a special

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container for like, 85 days.
To let the half-life break down

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more.
All the sheets, all the classic,

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all the everything, before they
could even throw it away.

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Like, this is how crazy this
stuff is.

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Wow.
Then I have to be isolated at

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home for like 10 days.
It's bananas.

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I mean, thank God for modern
medicine and it's insane after

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that whole 10-day.
Quarantine.

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Do you go back and they say,
congratulations?

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It's completely gone.
Or is there some sort of a

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protocol of treatment after that
to, for the thyroid cancer?

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My thyroid was totally removed
so I had to get off.

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On hormone therapy, they do this
test.

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And then basically, I have to
meet with my endocrinologist at

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least once a year and do neck
ultrasounds because the type of

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thyroid cancer, I had was like,
I responded well to treatment

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the surgery made a big
difference.

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The only hard part is that I
have a 25% chance of it coming

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back.
It's a lot for the body and I

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think is humans, especially as
Americans.

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We sort of dismiss a lot of the
healing process, especially

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Really emotional physical all of
it and we're just, it's that

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like, nope.
I can get back to work.

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I can be fine.
Let's we're moving on, you know,

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not actually it's processing any
of it and understanding my body

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went through a massive trauma
and it's going to take time.

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Yeah.
Do you think that you gave

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yourself that time after the
first period of cancer?

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Did you go back to work straight
away?

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Or did you give yourself time?
I didn't give myself enough time

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with that one.
I definitely was in that mindset

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of like, no, I'm fine.
I'm going to be fine.

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It's okay.
Yep.

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I'm healthy.
It was hard.

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Even just coming back to work
after this surgery.

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I remember my co-workers and
it's changed how I approach

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people when they're going
through things.

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Now because I remember my boss
and my co-workers were like

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here.
It's okay.

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If you need to take more time,
like we've got you and I was

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like, no.
No, I'm good.

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And then I would come to the
office for like two hours and

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have to go home.
But that was part of the

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learning process for me because
it did shift it definitely.

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I realized after the fact, why
didn't I just take more time?

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Just want to be okay, right.
A little bit of denial and

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almost a willing of your body
and of your psyche to be able to

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withstand that we are tough.
We're strong.

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We can do anything that we set
our minds to and so you went

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through this, what I would call
a Purgatory period between 2014

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to 2015 and then tell me what
happens right then and there

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2015 rolls around and I was like
Life is short.

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What am I doing?
Why am I still working?

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As a modeling agent?
I don't like it anymore.

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I don't feel good doing it.
Like this is not I'm quitting so

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July 2015, left my job.
Started my own business to do

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healthy cooking and the health
coaching and all that was

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getting that up off the ground.
Cut 2 November.

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I was like, what's this?
I have a weird thing behind my

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jaw bone and then I was like,
that's strange.

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And I sent some pictures to my
one doctor.

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He immediately was like, well,
why don't you come in?

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Let's take a look at this.
It was hard.

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It wasn't like, you know, lymph
nodes, when you get sick,

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they're swollen, but they kind
of move around and they're kind

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of soft.
This was like hard.

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He had me come in, ended up
getting a biopsy.

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It came back as lymphoma.
I was like sitting watching TV

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and my phone rang and it was
7:30 8:00 at night.

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It's my doctor.
I'd start laughing, who have got

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to be kidding me right now, and
it was like fast and And Furious

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ended up in the hospital for a
few days and it was this they

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thought I'd moved to my brain.
Then it was growing and it grew

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like out the side of my face.
I mean, it looks like when you

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see pictures, it looks like it
was photoshopped out.

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It was a whirlwind.
He told me, he's like, we need

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to start chemo.
Immediately had a very

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aggressive kind of lymphoma.
It spreads, really fast.

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And if you don't get a handle on
it, immediately, it can be

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really bad.
I took that time and that to me

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felt like that first step.
I'm doing this differently.

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Mmm.
No, I'm not showing up the way I

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did.
For the first one.

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I'm doing this differently.
I'm accepting help.

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I'm going to use whatever
resources I can and we're just

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going to take this a day at a
time because I have no idea

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what's going to happen.
And that is when it really

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shifted, Amazing Story.
Wow, you talk about the power of

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community and I think that
that's something that you did

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perhaps differently.
This second time.

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Can you tell me a little bit
about that?

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Yeah.
Definitely.

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I I've ensured about this much
publicly, but I'm also sober

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I've been in recovery for a
really long time.

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And that is the first place
where I learned that you could

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actually count on other people
and that Community is really

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powerful because I grew up in a
way that was very much.

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Like I got this.
I don't need anyone.

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I can't rely on anyone.
Anyway, I got this and in

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recovery, it really started to
shift that I was like these

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people actually care, they show
up for each other and I think

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that also Helped me, especially
in the process.

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Would number two, you know, I
got to see through number one,

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how people showed up for me,
even though I was like, no, no.

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No, I'm good.
I'm good.

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And then, in number two, it was
just like, wow.

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I need people, I can't do this
on my own and I had the most

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amazing friends from recovery
and just friends do show up for

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me in such incredible ways.
Even just checking in sending a

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text of like, hey, I know you're
tired.

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I don't need to hear anything
back.

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I just want you to know I'm
thinking of you and I love you.

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That was one of Of the best
gifts I could get.

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Oh my God these people care
about me and there's no

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expectation.
You know, there's no expectation

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of me doing anything that they
get it and then also just being

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able to talk to other women who
had been through cancer complete

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Game Changer.
Being able to have that

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Community, have them get it.
I didn't have to manage their

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feelings about it because I
mean, God bless my friends and

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family.
They were scared too.

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They were really scared.
And so then I would want to No,

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no, I'm fine.
It's all good.

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Like Yep.
This sucks.

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But you know, I tried to help
them feel better.

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But within the cancer Community
it was totally different and I

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got to see women on the other
side of things.

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You know, I didn't mean it was
perfect.

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Even if they had completely
different types of cancer.

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I was like they made it through.
I believe I can make it through

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and that helped.
Oh, yeah, first off, I want to

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say thank you to all of you out
there that show up and give of

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yourself and have Of the sense
of compassion and act upon it.

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You're exactly right when
friends come in, and they're

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like, what can I do to help?
What can I do, what it's

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exhausting, because then it's up
to you.

452
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,100
It's a burden on you to think of
well, what can you do to help?

453
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,700
Or if you say no, no.
No, I'm okay.

454
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:12,700
I'm okay, then it becomes very
awkward.

455
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:16,100
But if you just show up and say,
I love you.

456
00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:19,500
I'm thinking of you.
I'd like to bring you some food.

457
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:22,700
Like just do it just do it.
You know, let's do it.

458
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,400
Yeah, make the other person.
Think, because they've got

459
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,000
enough to think about.
Especially, you know, about your

460
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,500
feelings to.
So yeah, definitely, and people

461
00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:33,500
come to me now all the time.
They're like, oh my gosh, my

462
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,500
cousin, my aunt, my sister, my
friend, just got diagnosed with

463
00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:38,700
cancer.
What do I do?

464
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:42,200
And then I'm able now, to be,
like, do this, do that.

465
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,500
Do they have a pet?
Can you go take the dog for a

466
00:23:44,508 --> 00:23:47,300
walk?
Like, that is a gift, like that

467
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:50,300
is a gift for them.
Send them a gift card to Whole

468
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:52,400
Foods, send them a GrubHub gift
card.

469
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,200
It's the my face said with send
them a big gift card to

470
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,100
Postmates or something.
Right, right.

471
00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:59,000
You don't want to cook for
themselves.

472
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,800
It's the simple day-to-day
things are the hardest.

473
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000
I'm like, I don't need some big,
elaborate.

474
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,900
But, man, I had a girlfriend who
came over.

475
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,300
She's like, okay.
I'm going to do your laundry and

476
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:17,800
I was like, I think it was the
sweetest gesture ever.

477
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,300
That is beautiful.
That is so beautiful.

478
00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:24,400
No matter what?
Modality you choose, whether you

479
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,300
choose to have a therapist,
whether you choose to Medicine.

480
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,800
Whether you choose to have just
time with yourself, or family,

481
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,400
or friends or nature, or
whatever it is.

482
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:37,600
It's just like, recognizing that
you're okay to take that time

483
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,700
for you and do what you need to
do in order to heal.

484
00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:44,100
And the unfortunate thing, is
the pressure of oh gosh.

485
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,500
I gotta make a living.
How am I supposed to?

486
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,500
You know, how am I supposed to
gravel with like, and for the

487
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:51,900
people who don't have insurance?
Like, how am I going to pay?

488
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:56,000
Like, there's all of these
things that make it so difficult

489
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,300
and dupe.
Put pressure on it, but there is

490
00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:02,000
always this very step by step,
put one foot in front of the

491
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
other.
And eventually, there is the

492
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,300
sunlight eventually there is the
yeah.

493
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,900
Being able to see the good in
the world.

494
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:13,000
And certainly I think that from
your story, you were able to get

495
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,500
a new perspective after that
things changed.

496
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:17,300
And so, can you talk a little
bit about?

497
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:18,900
What do you think?
Was the turning point?

498
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:21,000
Or was it just like, you can't
really say?

499
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,300
Like this was the AHA moments
when people like look for the

500
00:25:23,308 --> 00:25:26,800
magic of an aha moment really
isn't one, but tell us what Was

501
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,500
like to all of a sudden realize
that maybe there's a shift in

502
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:33,700
perspective that you've come to.
Yeah, two thoughts here.

503
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:37,100
First one, Speaking of the
challenges of going through in

504
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:41,400
the financial challenges.
One of the things that I learned

505
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,400
and part of the reason why I
started the uncommon Healing

506
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,500
Collective, which is my free
cancer, survivor Community, is

507
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:53,400
that there are so many resources
out there to help people.

508
00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:57,700
It's also really hard.
When you're in the thick of it,

509
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:01,300
trying to research trying to
find help trying to figure out

510
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,900
which nonprofits help
financially, which help with

511
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:06,500
this, which help with that, all
of the different pieces.

512
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:10,000
And I feel like I have gotten a
PhD on all of that.

513
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,900
And so that's also part of why I
wanted to start that communities

514
00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:17,900
to be able to have a place with
resources and be like, hey, did

515
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:22,400
you know this nonprofit has
money to give to help pay bills

516
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,900
this one.
If you need rides to chemo they

517
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:26,500
do that.
This one will help.

518
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,300
You with all the insurance maze,
all of the different pieces, but

519
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:32,000
it's hard to figure out that
maze.

520
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,500
So I just wanted to say that as
far as they'll change.

521
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,900
For me.
It's sort of been like an

522
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:40,500
unpeeling of an onion.
Like one little layer comes off.

523
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,700
Have this new understanding of
whatever it is.

524
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:46,600
Like, oh, okay.
I can use different types of

525
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:47,400
healing.
Now.

526
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,900
I'm in the space for doing the
deeper trauma work.

527
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:52,200
Okay.
Now while my body needs more

528
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,000
nourishment, I've done
acupuncture.

529
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,400
I've done sound healing.
I'm going to use everything.

530
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:02,600
In the East and everything in
the west everything I get my

531
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,700
hands on but it's not everything
is right for the certain time.

532
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:12,100
So it's been a slow process and
I think that's also the piece of

533
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:15,500
it with that patients of this is
where I'm at right now.

534
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,200
And this one be a really
challenging part and let me see.

535
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,200
Is there support out there?
Is there something else I can

536
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,600
do?
Do I just need to be and let

537
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,700
this be it's doing a lot.
Of self-reflection to I'm a big

538
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:31,000
journaler.
And that's where a lot of my

539
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,000
clarity comes into, as far as
like, what I mean, what my body

540
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600
needs at the time between
journaling and meditation.

541
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,800
Those are hands down the to kind
of constants.

542
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,200
That help me get clear about
what's next.

543
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,800
And I have a girlfriend to a
life and business coach.

544
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,100
And she always says, okay.
What is it time for now?

545
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,300
Okay.
What is it time for now?

546
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,400
Where am I at, right now, not
where was I, not?

547
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,700
Where do I think I should be?
Where am I at right now?

548
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,300
And that's been a really useful
tool for me, staying present in

549
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,700
the moment and being able to
stop and look around and just be

550
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,400
and then living up to
expectations or feeling like

551
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,000
you're being Shackled by the
past.

552
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800
I think that's that's a really
powerful lesson for a lot of

553
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,200
people then.
Alright, you decided to get well

554
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,600
and I'm sorry, your life
suckling and you turned into

555
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,100
this Mega athlete what happens?
Come on.

556
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,200
Interesting.
So I actually had lost a model

557
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:38,600
that I had wrapped / friend to
lymphoma long before I got sick.

558
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,400
And I went to his memorial and
his parents were like, you don't

559
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,100
need to give us anything.
Just donate to the Leukemia

560
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,700
Lymphoma Society.
They were so amazing.

561
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:49,900
So helpful, we just donate
there.

562
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:53,600
So I was like, all right, I'm
gonna go donate in his honor.

563
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:57,600
Drove home got on the computer
and I I realized I had these

564
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,300
races and these different things
until I was like, wait a minute.

565
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:04,800
All right, maybe I could donate
50 bucks or 100 bucks and like

566
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,900
or I could fund raise.
I'm probably donate a lot more

567
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,400
and maybe get a little healthy
in the mix of things.

568
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,800
So, I signed up for a triathlon.
I'd never done one before.

569
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:28,500
I know I would.
And it was it was awesome.

570
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,800
Like it was really hard, but it
was great.

571
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,300
And then I signed up for another
one right after that.

572
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:36,200
And that was the lava man race
in Hawaii.

573
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,100
And that was the last Triathlon
I did before I got sick.

574
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,700
They were just so fun.
And in the course of doing those

575
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:45,800
two races for the Leukemia
Lymphoma Society, every 25

576
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,200
thousand dollars.
So like I could have just

577
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,400
donated $50, but in just
stepping up to do just a little

578
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,600
bit more when I would be
training and I would have to Get

579
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200
up in the morning and work out.
I feel like I don't want to get

580
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,600
out of bed and then I would
always think of Jet and I would

581
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,400
be like he would give anything
to have another day here.

582
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,300
Why am I not living and showing
up and doing these things?

583
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,200
Like this is insane.
He would give anything for

584
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,100
another day.
And so that would get up and go

585
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:19,600
work out.
I would do the things when I got

586
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,700
lymphoma.
I was like, that's it.

587
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:25,000
I'm going to get healthy and I'm
going to do the lava man race

588
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,400
again.
So, I signed up, I started

589
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,000
fundraising, I started training
and about a month before I was

590
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,400
struggling.
I was physically struggling with

591
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,900
the longer and longer.
Out.

592
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,300
I really had to come to this
space of, this is too much for

593
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,100
my body and decide not to do the
race, which was so hard because

594
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,000
I had so many people that had
already donated and cheered me

595
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,700
on and though, I felt really
good about that decision.

596
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:52,800
I'm like, this isn't about
anybody else.

597
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,800
It doesn't mean I'm a failure.
It doesn't mean anything.

598
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,800
And just means I tried this
thing and it doesn't work for me

599
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,200
right now.
And that's okay.

600
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:04,700
That's okay.
And that is also so true because

601
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:06,600
we put these expectations on
ourselves.

602
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,400
It harder on ourselves and if we
can't live up to those

603
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,500
expectations and yeah, it's like
am IA failure.

604
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,500
And all of that.
But no, it's like, you know,

605
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:16,400
what wasn't right.
Not this time.

606
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,400
Not maybe ever and and I'm just
going to think about something

607
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,800
else to put my attention to
next.

608
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,500
Well, and it's that idea to of
like goals are amazing.

609
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:30,200
I love setting goals and it
really is about the process of

610
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,600
who you become and and working
towards those goals.

611
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,000
Because whenever I achieve a
goal, I'm like, okay, cool check

612
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,600
that off the list.
Now, what's next?

613
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,800
All of the steps leading up to
that goal and sometimes it's not

614
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,600
the right goal, but you're not.
I like I don't know that until I

615
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,700
dive into it.
Yeah.

616
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:50,400
Yeah, the experience is where
all the magic is for.

617
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Sure.
Sarah, you are now the agency

618
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400
director for natural Model
Management.

619
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,700
So after all you've been through
what made you decide to slide

620
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:02,300
back into the eat and seaside
and how is natural different?

621
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:04,900
Honestly, it was a really
thoughtful Choice.

622
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,100
Katie, who is a Plus-size model.
She has been in the industry for

623
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:12,000
a really long time.
I was her first agent at 17.

624
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,400
We used to always talk about
what we wish was different in

625
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,000
the industry.
Man.

626
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,200
If agencies did this, or if they
just did that, it would make

627
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,800
such a difference for the
models, for the client, for the

628
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,900
agent than employees.
She decided to make it happen

629
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,400
Naturals, been around for 11
years.

630
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Now, she did such an incredible
job of starting the agency while

631
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,800
still modeling getting it.
Up and running making it happen

632
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,800
and I would be there in the
corner.

633
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,600
If she had questions and then
over the past 11 years.

634
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,000
She's grown it into this
incredible agency.

635
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,900
Her vision is always been very
clear about inclusivity

636
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,200
diversity.
What's possible when we open up

637
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,300
and show so many different types
of people and give clients

638
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,400
access to those kind of models.
Because it's kind of like,

639
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,200
clients would say, there's no
good talent out there.

640
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,100
We can't book, X, Y and Z
because Can't find any talent

641
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,400
and so she decided.
Okay, great.

642
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,600
We're going to provide that.
So when they're ready, they

643
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,100
can't say that anymore.
So, that's kind of how it

644
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,100
started.
Then me diving back into it.

645
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,900
Katie approached me last summer.
I said to her, I would never go

646
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:26,000
back to any other agency, but
this one, because of how she's

647
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,800
doing it, because of her
Integrity, because of my

648
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,900
relationship with her and I know
what she has been out to create

649
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:37,600
in the world and what she
foresees for the Future like we

650
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,500
talked about earlier.
It's really important for me for

651
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,700
that alignment.
It's like I'm just at that space

652
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,600
in my life of.
Yes.

653
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,700
I need to make money and I
believe I can do it in a way

654
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:53,700
that really aligns with my own
values, but I believe what's

655
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:58,500
important to me because I can't
be out of alignment in

656
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,300
something.
I'm doing so often it impacts my

657
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:03,700
health and that is just not
worth it to me.

658
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:06,600
And so that's really why I do
back in.

659
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,500
It is because of Katie and
because of what she's created

660
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:12,699
with natural.
And it's been so exciting and so

661
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,400
fun because there are a lot of
aspects of the fashion industry

662
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,900
of working at a modeling agency
that I do love.

663
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:23,100
It was just all of the toxic
stuff that I could just like.

664
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:25,699
Okay, the good doesn't outweigh
the bad.

665
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,199
Yeah.
So let's talk about that because

666
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,800
obviously, as a plus size model,
I think that she's probably gone

667
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,100
through a lot of the unfortunate
aspects of modeling and Talent

668
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,800
and all of that and probably
sought out to change that when

669
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,800
she founded natural Model
Management.

670
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,100
Can you talk about the nature of
inclusivity at your agency

671
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:46,300
versus others?
Perhaps.

672
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:47,400
Yeah.
Definitely.

673
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,900
There has been a shift over the
past two years since George,

674
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:54,199
Floyd and black lives matter and
things really coming to the

675
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:59,200
surface in a way that I do think
other agencies have started to,

676
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,600
let's say diversify more but the
amazing thing about natural is

677
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,100
that's what it's been about from
the start.

678
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,900
It really lives those values.
We actually just hired some new

679
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,000
people.
Our team is growing, one of

680
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,100
them, Ashley.
She joined.

681
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:17,700
And after the first call she was
like I almost was in tears

682
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:22,300
because looking at the team it
really is just as diverse as

683
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,000
what you see on with all the
models.

684
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:26,800
She's like, this is the first
place that I've worked where I

685
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,900
haven't been the one person of
color in this sea of completely

686
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,900
white people.
She's like it really is diverse

687
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,300
from the inside out and that It
is beautiful.

688
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:40,800
And this is who we are.
This is who the company is, as

689
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,200
it's been created from the
ground up, and it feels really

690
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,300
good.
It does.

691
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:48,300
It is extraordinary.
The change that has happened in

692
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:52,300
the last five years, with, in
representation, with diversity,

693
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:56,000
with awareness, for not only
different kinds of skin tones.

694
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
But yes, body types, and
abilities.

695
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,800
All of that I think is
fascinating.

696
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
And of course, neurodiversity is
really very much front and

697
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,400
center to a guy choked up
talking about it.

698
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:09,900
You know, it's very near and
dear to my heart to and one of

699
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,300
the most exciting things that I
love about how we're doing

700
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:16,900
things at natural is telling
those stories as well.

701
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,300
And you see this a lot on her
social media, a lot of our

702
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:24,600
models, who are all different
races, all different colors, the

703
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,100
whole range, and them seeing
themselves on Billboard's or in

704
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:33,400
stores and what that means to
them.

705
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,800
What that means.
They're younger self.

706
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,200
There's this one in Particular
that just brings me to tears.

707
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,800
And one of the girls is talking
about how she grew up in a

708
00:36:41,808 --> 00:36:46,600
predominantly white neighborhood
and never saw someone like her

709
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,000
self-represented anywhere.
And now to see herself.

710
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:56,000
She has giant pictures of
herself in Sephora and talking

711
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,900
about the power of that.
I mean, purchase just for her,

712
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:04,400
let alone the impact and the
ripple effect outward into the

713
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,500
community into other young
women.

714
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,000
Lives and telling those stories
is so important because it's so

715
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,100
much more than just, a beautiful
picture.

716
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:18,100
It brings that depth and
richness to our lives, to all

717
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:20,600
the different pieces.
So I love that too.

718
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Now you have done something very
unique, which is you've come up

719
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,800
with this new board, which is
called Game Changers, and I

720
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,700
don't think that I've ever seen
something like that in another

721
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:33,200
agency before.
Can you tell us about what that

722
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,700
is?
Yeah, definitely.

723
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,300
So when I started Katie had, The
idea, she was like, I think it's

724
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:40,400
time.
We move past influencers.

725
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,200
I think it's time.
We start highlighting people who

726
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,800
are doing more in the world.
I don't know about you, but I

727
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:53,800
want more depth and I want more
realness and I'm kind of tired

728
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,600
of just influencers or just
celebrities and partly because

729
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,600
I've been in the business and I
also know, whenever I see a

730
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,700
celebrity like Hey by this
product, I'm like, oh they got

731
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:07,900
paid an insane amount of money.
Like who knows?

732
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:11,700
If they actually been like it,
you know, it's just, it feels a

733
00:38:11,707 --> 00:38:16,700
little, a little outdated here.
Our beautiful people inside and

734
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:19,700
out, doing incredible things in
the world.

735
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:22,900
All of our game changers have
different platforms as far as

736
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:25,100
what's important to them.
What they speak about, what

737
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:29,100
they're really trying to
advocate for be champions of

738
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,000
we're spreading goodness.
Talking about Good People

739
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,600
sharing messages of Hope and
positivity and resilience and

740
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,400
strength.
Oh, yeah.

741
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:38,300
Yes.
To the idea of people who have a

742
00:38:38,308 --> 00:38:42,500
story to tell people who have
inspiration to offer out, that

743
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:46,100
is the depth and the dimension
that you're talking about which

744
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,400
goes above and beyond.
What modeling is, what goes

745
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,700
above and beyond what acting is
or what just like paid

746
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,600
influencing is.
It's really the idea of, you

747
00:38:53,607 --> 00:38:56,500
know, everything that we're
doing comes from a place of this

748
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,400
is me and this is how I want to
show up in the world.

749
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,500
And yeah, there's a lineman with
what your brand story or your

750
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:08,300
corporate story is as a message.
And here's We can build so much

751
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:12,200
positive energy going into the
community, which is healthy

752
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:16,000
because far too much activity.
Has been happening in our

753
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,800
economy, which has been serving
to deplete our health and our

754
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,600
Wellness as you know, yeah,
definitely definitely and I

755
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600
think that's the piece to and I
don't think influencers are

756
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,000
going away anytime super soon.
But I do think there are a lot

757
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:36,000
of Brands who are like yours
where it makes more sense.

758
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,700
It's like He who is your
audience?

759
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,700
Who are you marketing to, are
they going to respond to an

760
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:44,200
influencer?
Or is it going to matter to

761
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,900
them?
Because they are shopping from

762
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,700
their values?
What's important to them?

763
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,700
And it's like finding that
alignment in business is huge.

764
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:56,600
It's very powerful and I feel
like this is also, the

765
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,200
difference in the shift that I
see that, I try to embody

766
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,600
between masculine and feminine
energy, because this feels like

767
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,400
a much more and I don't mean
male female.

768
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,700
But it's just very like that
feminine energy is so much more

769
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,900
from that intention and that
place of like, let me get into

770
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,600
alignment, then things flow
versus masculine energy.

771
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,900
Of we have to achieve, we have
to do this, we have to do that,

772
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:22,700
you know, there's that balance
and it's nurturing versus

773
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:26,100
forcing, so, it's exactly.
Exactly.

774
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:29,000
And yeah, that's one of the
reasons why for what I would

775
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,800
consider my version of an
ambassador program or for an

776
00:40:31,808 --> 00:40:33,900
influencer program.
I called them cultivators

777
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,900
because I felt that it was more
nurturing.

778
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:37,900
It's like, yeah.
No, I want to beat these long

779
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:41,800
organic relationships with
people that they know they feel

780
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:44,300
an affinity in it.
And a connectedness for the long

781
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,100
term.
Not just like, you know,

782
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,000
one-and-done kind of a thing,
totally totally.

783
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,400
And they're talking about your
products at parties out with

784
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,600
their friends.
It's not just about posting on

785
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,900
social media.
It is.

786
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:00,400
It's that, like, commitment
appreciation.

787
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,100
It goes so much deeper.
I want you home, cultivators it

788
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,300
anyway, so, I'm sure that there
are a lot of people listening

789
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,400
who are like, okay, if I wanted
to get into modeling.

790
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,500
How would I even start, where,
what I do?

791
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,300
Sarah help me out.
Definitely.

792
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:19,300
Definitely.
I mean, the easiest way is when

793
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:24,000
you go to our website natural
models at ale.com and there's a

794
00:41:24,008 --> 00:41:27,200
way to submit through the
website, you know, it's

795
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,800
interesting with modeling and
with natural.

796
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,700
It's like we're doing things a
different way.

797
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:35,100
We're showing up in the
marketplace, a different way.

798
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,200
We're showing up with our Models
in a different way yet.

799
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,900
We're still playing in the old
sandbox.

800
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,800
So although at the end of the
day, I think everyone is

801
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,600
beautiful in their own way.
That doesn't mean everyone is

802
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,900
going to be a model like there
are certain things that we have

803
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:55,600
to look for that will work for
clients.

804
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,700
Like I'm not going to bring
somebody on that.

805
00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:59,900
Maybe I think is like, oh my
gosh, they're so amazing.

806
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:02,500
They're so beautiful.
And then they're not going to do

807
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:05,700
anything because maybe for
whatever reason claims wouldn't

808
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,800
click with that.
Stop firing line of inclusivity

809
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,100
and certain parts of the
business that we still have to

810
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,400
cater to.
I just have to caveat it that

811
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,700
way.
So if you do submit yourself to

812
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:20,300
an agency and you get turned
down, there's so many reasons.

813
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:24,500
It's not about you as a human
being because I know the

814
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,500
rejection side of it, people can
take it really hard

815
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:31,000
understandably, but it's also
just understanding and knowing

816
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,600
that, so there's that.
But yeah, you can go to the

817
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,900
website.
You can submit yourself to a lot

818
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,800
of times we Do casting in
different places.

819
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
We just had a little casting in
New York City.

820
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,400
If you do get signed with an
agency.

821
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,700
I always tell girls, men.
Whomever people.

822
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,300
Make sure you're doing your
research and then submitting to

823
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,900
reputable agencies, and then you
kind of take it from there.

824
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,400
Very good words of advice, Sarah
Davenport.

825
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,500
Thank you so much for being a
guest on Role Models today.

826
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:06,300
It's just been absolutely a
pleasure speaking with you.

827
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,900
Likewise, thank you for having
me.

828
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:11,100
I feel like, yeah, I could talk
to you for hours.

829
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:14,600
So I just love you to pieces.
I'm so grateful.

830
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,700
You're a part of my life and a
part of the game changers, and I

831
00:43:17,707 --> 00:43:20,000
love absolutely everything you
do in the world.

832
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,800
It really is incredible.
Thank you.