Episode 37: Perle Noire - The Black Burlesque Queen on Healing Through Seduction

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Hello, beautiful humans.
Welcome to another episode of

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So a lot of you know, that I

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exist On this planet to inspire
more self-love and I started

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this podcast to provide examples
and representation of self-love

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and radical self-expression.
Loving yourself.

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Gives you permission to love
your body and enjoy your body

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and have fun with your body.
So I couldn't be more delighted

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to present to you, my fabulous.
Guest Pearl Noir is the black

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burlesque Queen known as Mama
Pearl in the burlesque

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Community.
She is a paragon of Glitz and

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glamour who advocates for people
to reclaim their And their

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sensuality, she created a
program called healing through

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seduction.
That teaches you how to honor

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your desires with no shame and
no guilt.

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Welcome Pearl.
Hello.

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Beautiful people.
I'm so excited.

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Hi.
Hi.

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Hi.
Now, I am fascinated and

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intrigued by you.
You have to tell me how you got

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into Pearl, ask and how you knew
that this was your calling?

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Well, I am so proud to say with
my chest with my heart Chopper

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wide.
Open with my throat chakra

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activated that I am defendant of
Josephine Baker.

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I Am The Reincarnation.
She chose me to use for Less to

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heal.
Seven Generations forward and

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back in to help heal the world.
I was chosen, I didn't choose

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the game.
The game tells me Right here,

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that's the gist of it.
But all of that is, I found

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myself back with my high school
sweetheart after September 11th.

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I was telling myself that my
five foot three self would be a

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showgirl.
Bless my heart, bless my little

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precious short, part of the
biggest to be a show girl with

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no Dance Training from the
ghetto, it just going to be

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short and I'm going to do it and
I did not, but I ended up

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singing for a lounge band.
And then September 11 happened.

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And so of course tourism went
down and so I was like, okay,

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where are we going to go now
Carmen Sandiego and I found

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myself in New Orleans and while
I was there I just was led to

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this newspaper and I was like,
oh let's see what the wanna has

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have say.
Maybe they've got some kind of

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show, I can audition for and lo
and behold this beautiful black

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woman named Jeanne had AKA
Alicia.

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Miller, she had an all-black
burlesque musical called

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backstage at the funky be and I
said, oh, okay.

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And I had heard about burlesque
but I wasn't really familiar

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with it.
I go to the audition.

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I get the part of La Liga, Dieci
Lolly.

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Medici was an expert Les queen
turned like crackhead stripper.

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Hello?
Okay?

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With her abusive boyfriend.
Intron and so I did this amazing

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show and like this woman was
amazing, she is amazing.

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She wrote all of the music and I
helped with the choreography and

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while doing the research that's
when Josephine spoke to me.

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So I, you know, I needed to die.
Deep into the history of

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burlesque and more specifically
black burlesque.

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And what was Troublesome was
that wasn't much to find.

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I was like really devastated,
but of course, Josephine Baker

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was everywhere and looking at
her pictures, like looking at

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her in blackface, on one photo
and flipping it over and seeing

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her in the castle.
I just was blown away.

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That was this person's life
story and like the pages just

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spoke to me and I was like oh my
God I think this is me and I'm

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think I'm supposed To honor her
Legacy.

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And after I finished that
musical, I ended up auditioning

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for another burlesque show on
Bourbon Street, called bus style

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burlesque, and I got a chance to
perform at the world famous

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House of Blues.
When I went into that audition,

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it was me.
And I was the only black woman

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there except for black
choreographer.

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And she took one.
Look at me and said, that's a

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diamond in the rough.
That's what star and the rest is

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history.
So I started training with her

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and found myself all over the
world including like this.

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The opera house, having one of
the first four less reviews in

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Asia, and, and here we are.
I hope I answered that question.

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You sure did and I would love to
be able to help Enlighten people

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who might not be as familiar
with burlesque, you probably

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seen it.
The fishnets, the costuming, the

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regalia.
But what is it?

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That specifically differentiates
burlesque versus maybe other

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forms of performance or dance?
One thing, one more like the

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most important thing that makes
it different is that everyone's

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going to to answer the question
differently every burlesque

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performer and icon or queen or
King that you talked to is going

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to answer it differently and
that's what I love, right?

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It's not like ballet where
everyone's going to say the same

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thing.
And so for me personally a lot

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of people think about burlesque
being about kind of an

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exaggerated celebration of
femininity, you know.

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For some people it's about body
positivity and which I must say

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for me, it was body positivity
as well.

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I started my body positivity
Journey but for me body

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positivity had To do with my
shape, but the color of my skin

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up in the South being told that
I was too dark.

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So I had to learn to fall in
love with something.

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I'll never be able to change,
right?

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And so, it can be about that.
But for me, it's about having

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the luxury of not being
performative.

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The way I % burlesque in the way
I teach it, is for you to go in,

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not showing your pasties, but
showing your heart, Having the

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courage to be, still to truly be
seen Having the courage to

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really look at people in the
eyes to have this moment.

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Mint of intimacy that has
nothing to do with the pressure

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of giving or receiving an
orgasm, the kind of intimacy

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that we actually are looking for
that.

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We mistake is being horny and we
want to have sex.

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No, you just want someone to see
you.

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And so for me what makes for
Less different is that you can

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perform without being
performative.

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You don't need to rely on
counts.

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I teach people to breathe
through it.

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I teach people to instead of
creating choreography to create

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moving affirmations.
Wow, so rather than it being a

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Show or a performance for
somebody else's entertainment.

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This is really a way for you to
step into your body and embrace

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everything.
That that means from a sensual

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perspective, is that right?
That's my Approach.

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And like I said, if you
interview someone else to have a

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totally different answer, which
that in itself is what makes for

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Less different, right?
Right.

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And I love that.
You have taken this to that next

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level because certainly with
your embodiment of the queen

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herself, Josephine Baker, God
Rest, You know, you know, she's

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just inspired so many and she
lives on through the essence and

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the performances and the
embodiment of so many including

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yourself, which is lovely and
what an honor to carry on that

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Legacy for sure, for sure.
But you do help teach others how

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to heal through seduction.
And so tell me how you

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essentially are helping people
to learn how to step into their

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seductive cells, and strip away.
Shame stripper way.

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Intimidation or feelings of
discomfort.

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I'm so happy.
You asked that.

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So I teach people to do exactly
what I did, right?

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And the journey of healing
through seduction.

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The first thing is understanding
that I'm not going to ask you to

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do anything that's for someone
else.

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Again going back to the, we're
not going to perform.

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I want to teach people the
importance of consent and

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boundaries when we're thinking
about seduction.

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It's always I think people think
of Seduction as yeah.

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Like something you're going to
do to get Something in return

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from other people and I'm asking
the question, what are you

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giving to yourself, you know,
logically, we know, we have to

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eat and drink water everyday or
we will die.

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And I'm asking why don't we
trust that?

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We have to do the same thing for
our spirit especially when it

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comes to sensuality and my
Approach is to also kind of

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change the conversation on
sensuality and seduction, again,

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to where it is, not for other
people.

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So, for example, one of the
things I love to do in my

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classes is ask people to bring
out a vibrator of course.

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Everyone's like oh we're going
to masturbate and I'm like, no

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we're going to activate our
throat chakra in our heart

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chakra and our third eye with
this vibrator first so that we

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can kind of learn what
Sensations actually feel good to

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us.
Instead of always thinking of

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Seduction being about our
genital area, we are so much

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more than that and seduction
should be a very beautiful

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quiet, intimate conversation
with ourselves first and it will

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also help us be better friends.
And lovers, so, especially

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lovers.
So when you actually spend time

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seducing yourself with things,
like, I like to call it poetry.

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But the term that we're all used
to is affirmation.

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So when you are actually in the
habit of speaking kindly to

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yourself, you won't be so
distraught.

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If you don't hear certain
things, when you walk down the

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street, you won't be destroyed.
If you don't get certain things

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and when you take time actually
touching your body and maybe

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even saying things like yes or
no out loud, that gets you in a

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habit of practicing consent and
practicing boundaries with self.

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It's easier to tell other people
yes or no.

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And when you actually know what
you like and you've actually

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dated yourself, you won't be an
awful lover.

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And what I mean by that is, you
won't punish people for not

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knowing something that you
yourself.

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Don't even know about your body.
Mmm, very good point.

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It's like, well, you didn't give
me an orgasm.

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Well, did you give yourself an
orgasm before they arrive to

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your Boudoir?
Any instructions on what you

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needed or did you play along and
pretend to be someone else?

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Because you've been taught that?
It's all about snagging.

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Someone else all about, getting
that job, getting that lover,

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but there's always going to be
avoid regardless of how much

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money you make, regardless of
how many children you have,

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regardless of your partner or
Partners until you are in the

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habit of being kind to yourself,
and asking yourself why?

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You might feel guilty for being
kind to yourself.

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There's always going to be a
disconnect.

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I hope that made sense because
you know how, you know, you

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speaking like it makes sense to
me, but I hope that they can

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send y'all yeah.
But just to clarify, I think

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that for a lot of people there
are Certain terms or phrases

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that dance around the same area.
And one of them is like

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seduction, sensuality erotica.
Sex of course and sexuality.

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And so when we talk about the
idea of Seduction, I think that

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people think about like that
teasing or that enticement or

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that Temptation, it's almost
like the game part of it.

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I think getting the hook into
it.

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Where is I think erotica or
eroticism?

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They think about that issuing or
the This idea of maybe art form,

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which is what to do with sex and
sexuality, but it doesn't

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necessarily get, you know, it's
not necessarily in either case

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about view orgasm, you know,
it's not about having the sex.

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It's really about measuring and
that aspect in that whole Space

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of turning on either yourself or
a partner for example.

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Yeah.
And that's why I've been trying

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to say self seduction more so
people understand.

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When they come to healing
through seduction, we are not

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going to discuss what you can do
to please.

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Other people, what feels good to
you.

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How often are you sitting with
yourself?

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Do you have the courage to sit
with your thoughts?

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Do you have the courage to
seduce Yourself by being bored?

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When I mean by that is to just
be silent.

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Maybe, you know, watch the trees
and the leaves go, you know,

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from side to side like instead
of always feeling, we have to

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overstimulate ourselves and
something always needs to be

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done and as a woman in
particular, as I can, as a

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woman, I have to do all of these
things and I've got to be strong

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and I'd be sexy and I gotta
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All these things and yeah
there's a disconnect there.

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Okay burlesque is performance.
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about anything that might be of
pleasure to themselves, there

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tends to be this inherent guilt
or shame that comes up, and it

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might be from religion, it might
be Sinners and Saints, it might

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be the Madonna, whore complex.
It could be all of those things

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that are just in our
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believe internally about

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ourselves that I think causes
some people to feel

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uncomfortable or low.
This is taboo, this is something

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that I can't do.
Is that something that you've

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seen as well.
Absolutely, when people come to

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me, religion plays a huge part
in their unwillingness to be

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seen by themselves because
again, you know, regardless I

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think regardless of your gender
religion can be very hard but

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especially if you're a woman and
almost, I don't really know any

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religions that.
That don't vilify women.

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Yeah, I remember, growing up.
It was all about.

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If you have an impure thought,
then you better do, 10, Hail

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Marys and do 20 our fathers in
order to cleanse yourself of

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these impure thoughts, you know?
So it kind of went along that

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line and I grew up Baptist and
it was, we were always reminded

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that he's messed up.
We were always reminded of Yves

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and descriptions and how she did
this and we always, you know, in

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the South, they have the term
fast tail girl and so it's like,

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Now, when the Deacon was seduced
by the fast tail girl, and I

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want to say, for those who don't
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from the age of 10 to like 18.
So we're talking about children,

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but the Deacon was seduced by
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had to get on and like, you
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But not the grown man.
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up and this was something that
that's why I gravitated towards

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healing through burlesque and
self seduction, because I do

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know, are we He had a size D at
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I was already a d-cup and I was
taught very early pretty girl

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Brickhouse.
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It's almost like taught very
early to hide.

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I was taught that if a man and
my family or outside of my

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family did something, to me,
that it was my fault.

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And so that's where it for me.
The self seduction came in along

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with like, internalized, racism
to like, I had to learn how to

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like my own company, how to
enjoy my body for self, and I

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use for Less to change the
narrative.

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What happened to me in my
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Wow.
So now over the years, I mean,

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I've seen a lot of rising of
body empowerment and sensuality

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classes.
There's now belly dancing

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classes, and pole, dancing
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Kundalini, and the list goes on.
But I honestly haven't seen very

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many in Burlesque, so, I'm
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What is it about burlesque that?
You think brings something new

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to the table?
Is it music?

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Is it costume fly?
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I think it's everything.
Thing.

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You know, one of the things I
have nine principles and I'll

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just go through a few on how I
heal through Pearl asking how I

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teach people to healed River
last one, especially if you are

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a woman of color glamour,
glamour is your Birthright.

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So using the way we can play in
Burlesque and you know, build

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these alter egos or for me, I
don't have a Persona.

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I'm just finally allowed to be
myself but putting on a gown for

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no reason.
When you come to my class I tell

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everyone to wear lingerie.
As you can see, I'm in lingerie

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right now.
This is my uniform for work.

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So we want to think about
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Being a way to heal.
Because again, when you

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incorporate glamour, you also
will can tap into your inner

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child and your inner Diva.
And that is so important for

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people, especially for women of
color, who have not had as many

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beautiful representation on TV,
saying that you're allowed to be

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glamorous just for the fun of
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You know.
I grew up a lot of times when it

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was a glamorous black woman, she
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TV representation.
It wasn't like she was just

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glamorous to be right.
And the other thing we want to

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think about with burlesque, your
Also able to redefine intimacy

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because again that goes back
into if you are performing or if

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you're in one of my classes, the
first thing I'm going to ask

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that you look at me and I'm
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So we have that intimacy with
just the eye contact right?

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Which is amazing and the other
thing too that I think what

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makes people click when they do
burlesque as a healing modality.

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Do you want to dance your way to
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Everyone knows regardless of
what type of dancing is?

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That's why you see so many
videos on Instagram and YouTube

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and tick-tock.
People being uninhibited when

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they dance now, unfortunately,
most of them can't get there

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without liquid encouragement
substance, true.

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And I'm saying, you don't need
that.

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All you need is yourself, mmm.
And it's that promise of being

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uninhibited and a communal
healing setting.

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That's why it clicks for people.
Because in a lot of people want

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to be extra, they want to be
extra, they want a place to be

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extra and that is with me.
I love the tapping into your

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inner Diva.
I think that is brilliant.

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And, you know, back when I was
growing up, I had heard the term

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blaxploitation I and I think
that that was a very common

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thing seventies eighties, you
know, and, and so, do you hear

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about people being like, Oh,
you're encouraging it?

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Or do you hear people saying
like this isn't helping?

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Like what would you say to
people who are like this is

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something that's like feeding
into some negative aspects of

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what black power.
A really stands for well

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darling.
Here we go.

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Here
in the audience, I mean, they

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are just enamored with them and
then I come out and I've even

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had black women turned their
back to me while I was

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performing.
It is so traumatizing to Be out

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there and it's okay for my white
counterparts.

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They can be glamorous, they can
be sexy, they can be sensual and

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I get out there and you're
ashamed to see me and I've had

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conversations with some black
people, even black performers

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who when I was doing a tribute
to Josephine Baker, I did do the

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banana skirt and you know, the
psycho your kooning like how

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could you?
And I had to remind them right?

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But she put on that banana skirt
for a reason just as I am.

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And so it's about being okay?
And being open with being

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liberated.
Berated it honoring whatever the

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story is that you want to tell.
And so for a lot of them, their

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issue black women, sometimes
when they see other black women

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doing burlesque.
Yeah, they feel like it's we're

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not being modest.
You know, when you think about

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the black church, we need to
think about the black family.

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And for me, I always bring up
the fact that what about before

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we were brought here?
What, about the time before we

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were introduced to Christianity?
And keep in mind, Christianity

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was introduced to our ancestors
that were slaves.

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I want to make sure that I say
that that were slaves.

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That is not where our lineage
begins everybody that very

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clear.
The ancestors that were slaves.

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They were taught Christianity to
keep them enslaved to say that

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it is in the Bible.
It is in the Bible.

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So you have these enslaved
people and then you teach them

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to praise your God.
But the gods and deities we had

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before this were a glamorous
women, like, oshun, topless

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dancing freely, being served
being worshipped.

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And so I I always ask them.
Well, what about that part of

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our history?
Don't you think our ancestors

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deserve for their religious
beliefs to still be alive within

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us to me burlesque is also about
connecting to your ancestors

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especially if you're a person of
color because all people of

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color, we healed through
movement, unless we have been

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introduced to Christianity.
I want everyone to ponder on

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that.
Yes, yes, I think that there's a

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lot in probably for another
podcast on the whole aspect of

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Christianity and Skirt instead
of happens with religion and

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power and whether it be
enslavement or just any kind of

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domination or control over
another, it usually was

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something that people lean
towards religion or some sort of

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system in order to drive that
forward.

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And so I want to thank you for
all the things that you've gone

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through number one.
And I feel like the women who

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were in the audience seeing you
as a reflection of them, it made

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them uncomfortable.
You could tell that that.

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As a trigger for them, it had
less to do about you and your

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performance and your self
expression than it did with

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their own discomfort, with where
their boundaries are and where

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their soul really wanted to go
and their inability to do that

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because of the boxes that they
have put themselves in right?

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And so I think that the
teachings that you have are

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really profound really important
in order for people to just, you

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know, whether you're black,
white brown, yellow, it doesn't

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matter.
It's like there are

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opportunities for us to really
tap into our Elves in bigger

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better ways and why not?
Make it fun, why not?

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Make it wonderful, why not do it
with some style and some

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Pizzazz?
What the heck?

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Not you know what I say?
And I must say I want to add one

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last thing to that and that's
why it's important for me to be

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visible and all the other black
and brown and yellow and

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biracial performers.
You know, what I will say is

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that I am starting to see
different sex conferences,

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different like polyamorous
talks.

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They're bringing in black
burlesque performers and now You

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know people in the black
community and the brown

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Community, they are starting to
you know, accept that this is

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good for the community.
It is taking away.

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We're not harlots were not you
know a part of the agenda, you

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know, this is this is good, like
you said for all Races everyone

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needs to see all genders be in a
position to have control over

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their bodies.
Yeah.

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And not only that but I mean you
found it an award-winning Dance

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Company, the house of war and
you also debuted then Warpath

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Chance.
And this is the only burlesque

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pageant dedicated to uplifting
the bipod community Through

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healing events.
And so, I mean, you are living

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proof of the way that this can
touch lives.

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Can you tell me what it was
like, putting on this pageant

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and what really inspired you to
do it?

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So my own life and Trauma, like
all things anything that I do,

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it's always love letter to
myself that I can change the

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narrative.
So, in 2009, I became the first

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black woman of this generation
to receive a queen of burlesque

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tight.
Old unfortunately, the white

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producer didn't think I had the
right look, and I knew him for

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years and no one was expecting
me to win.

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They were expecting Dita, Von
Teese, has mentor and friend,

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Katherine delish twins.
She's an icon and Legend in our

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community.
I was expecting her to win and I

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won and even though I won, it
was her face on all the promo.

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Do you receive all of the crest?
And then I was just kind of

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erased from the competition
archives and I waited about 10

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years, To see if any black brown
performers would do it.

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I just kept waiting, and kept
waiting and that same

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competition, he led Like A Nazi
kind of act in and I say, okay

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this, that's enough now and I
made the announcement and it was

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really beautiful because a lot
of people were like, yes,

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finally something that's going
to be just for us and it was

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heartbreaking to because there
were also some black performers

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that felt like we already have a
white competition called the

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burlesque Hall of Fame, and
everyone is wanting And as

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people of color, they want to
take over that space which is an

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important fight as well.
But my thing is, what if we have

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our own, then we don't have to
take over their space, just have

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our own.
So I created this pageant for us

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to cure a 15 City International
tour, which is not a thing.

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Secured over 30 sponsors,
including MAC cosmetics and then

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we got the announcement that
there's a virus out here so we

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were all freaking out but people
because it was historic, people

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still got on the plane.
Right?

448
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,800
As everyone arrived.
New York.

449
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,000
We got the message that we were
going to shut down in three

450
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,900
days.
So I actually had the last large

451
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:55,800
event before the world.
Shut down.

452
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,300
No pressure there.
No pressure at all.

453
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:02,500
I'm sure.
And I plan on bringing it back

454
00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:04,900
but I'm waiting.
I like a lot of burlesque is

455
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,800
still going on but I just I
don't want to party with a mask

456
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,400
on.
I don't want us worrying about

457
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,100
touching each other.
I want us to act in school, so

458
00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:15,900
I'm waiting to do that.
And I was really proud because

459
00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:18,800
everyone, From the house of
Noir, I made history with this

460
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,000
dance company as well.
We became the best large group

461
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,400
for burlesque Hall of Fame and
it's a family.

462
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,700
I was really inspired by the
movie, Paris is burning and the

463
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:31,400
houses and Willie ninja in
particular and, you know, just

464
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,500
kind of feeling like an orphan
myself, and a lot of artists do

465
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:37,800
we usually make our own family?
And so the house of Noir is

466
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,700
still intact.
I'm still connected to all of my

467
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,100
daughters and all of them.
They were either judges or they

468
00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,200
crowned the winners for the
North.

469
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,200
Our pageant.
So it was really beautiful.

470
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,600
Oh my goodness.
It sounds incredible fight.

471
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,500
One of my daughter's pointed it
out, she's like you are just

472
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,400
being Baker cuz I have my own
Rainbow Tribe as well.

473
00:24:56,500 --> 00:25:00,200
Mmm, nice.
I have all these were less

474
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,000
children all over the world, I
love that.

475
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,600
And not only that, I mean, I
want to applaud you for helping

476
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,000
to change the narrative as a
strong black woman.

477
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,300
And for those that may not have
arrived at this

478
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,500
self-actualization that you
have, what would you want to say

479
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:18,200
to black women?
Women who are living their lives

480
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000
and may actually still be in the
shadow, or may still, you know,

481
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,700
be feeling like they can't fully
Express themselves.

482
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:27,700
I want to say to black women.
Please come forward realizing

483
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:31,300
that everything that is popular.
It's because they're imitating

484
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,900
us.
I would dare say even burlesque.

485
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,900
They're, you know, they're less
Springs and fans and headpieces.

486
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:39,900
I think of indigenous people,
when I see that when I see

487
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:43,100
certain type of fan movement, I
think of beautiful Asian people,

488
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,700
and their culture.
And when I see all these hips

489
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,400
and Manipulating your body, I
think of black women in the

490
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,700
history of corsets and muscles
and all of that, you know, these

491
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,900
were white women, trying to
imitate black women.

492
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,300
And so, I would say to remember
that to remember that, even

493
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:02,200
though a lot of times we are
told, were not desirable or too

494
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,900
loud or too this and that, but
we are always imitated.

495
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:10,900
And the other thing is, please
trust that we have been scammed.

496
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,500
We are more than our pain and
Arcane.

497
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
I want us to stop believing that
that's a badge of honor.

498
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,500
ER I want us to redefine what it
means to be a strong black

499
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,700
woman.
A strong woman, a strong person

500
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:25,400
be strong by sitting the heck
down be strong by saying no when

501
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,700
you really need to be strong by
resting, you can do more for

502
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,000
your community when you pour
into yourself.

503
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,100
You know, that's how you prevent
burnout in.

504
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,800
The last thing is think about
self seduction because you are

505
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,600
also more than just your body
for someone else.

506
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,400
Absolutely.
You know, I actually was a long

507
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,200
time ago when I was reading,
Eckhart Tolle a Power of Now.

508
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,000
Talking about pain bodies.
And that's that, you know,

509
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,100
people who had been enslaved or
people who had been generations

510
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,500
and large sets of people talk
about like, you know, be the

511
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:58,500
Jewish, you know, with all
Schwartz and the Nazis.

512
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:02,300
And I'll like there are massive,
massive amounts of people of

513
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:06,000
classes of people that are have
gone through so much trauma, and

514
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,200
those pains are passed down from
generation to generation, they

515
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,300
continue to live on and how do
you break free of that?

516
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,700
How do you essentially say, you
know, at the past is in the

517
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:17,400
past, I'm To learn how to
forgive.

518
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,900
I'm going to honor the past and
my ancestors for what they've

519
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,500
been through, but I am going to
live my life forward.

520
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:26,500
I'm going to not be offended
when I hear certain things being

521
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,800
said to me when it might be out
of ignorance or it might be out

522
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,000
of just you know people not
understanding what I've been

523
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,600
carrying inside this burden in
this load, that I've been

524
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,400
carrying on.
But what is it that you have?

525
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,900
Because I know you're a very
spiritual person and I know that

526
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,600
there's a lot that you bring to
the table, not just the dancing

527
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,800
in the fans and the Glam.
But you know, what is it that

528
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,000
can really help to get?
Answer that part where we can

529
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,600
release and let go of those pain
bodies that have been burdening

530
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,100
us for Generations.
Oh my goodness, really allowing

531
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,800
ourselves to tap into that
pleasure.

532
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:02,700
So don't wait on Thanksgiving to
pull out that China, you know,

533
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,300
take that bath, teach your
children, the importance of

534
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,000
giving you your time especially
if it's a boy.

535
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,900
So if he's a heterosexual he
understands that his wife should

536
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,200
not be at his beck and call, you
know, actually slow down.

537
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:19,600
Down when you masturbate,
because when you do reach the

538
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,300
certain peak of orgasm or just
pleasure, that is, in my

539
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,400
opinion, probably one of the
moments when we really are

540
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,400
tapping into, what our ancestors
knew how to do without sex,

541
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,500
which is truly be uninhibited to
truly.

542
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:35,900
Let go truly be closer to
whatever entity created the

543
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:39,000
action and created us for
whatever purpose we were created

544
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,600
for.
So, it's honoring moments of

545
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,600
pleasure.
And again, going back to not

546
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,200
being married to the idea of
your work.

547
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,600
Is associated with your pain.
Yeah, it's not about the

548
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,400
suffering, it's about it's about
The Liberation.

549
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,000
You know, it's not about the
slavery.

550
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,100
It's about the liberation's.
Like you know it's like

551
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,800
celebrate the fact for a moment
that you're free celebrate.

552
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,700
And these are things that you
can do that, help to cultivate a

553
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:08,700
life and manifest a life of
beauty and fun and pleasure.

554
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:12,000
But you know, let that really
sink in let that be, you know,

555
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,100
be something that is your
Birthright and that can carry

556
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:18,800
forth to your kids and everybody
else that you Pro generate from

557
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,500
here on out.
Absolutely.

558
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,400
And especially taking time to
think about glamour being your

559
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,500
Birthright, especially for black
people.

560
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:28,700
Again we what were we?
Before we were taken you look

561
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,000
at.
There's all these beautiful

562
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,500
bright colors is all these
ceremonies and and so

563
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:35,900
incorporating more glamour into
your life.

564
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:38,100
You know I was brought up being
told you know black girls don't

565
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,300
wear red lipstick.
Put on that red lipstick, honey.

566
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:44,200
Put on the red limit.
They couldn't look more fabulous

567
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,600
than on dark.
Yeah.

568
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,100
Like things and also
unfortunately to in order to be

569
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,800
liberated, there has to be a
moment of honoring that not had

570
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,900
Shackles on.
Yeah.

571
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,300
So there has to be a moment
again in order to love who I am.

572
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,100
Now, I love being a dark-skinned
black woman, but I first had to

573
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:07,000
acknowledge that I did.
So there has to be this

574
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,400
acknowledgement the role we play
in our own trauma and pain, and

575
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,500
then we have to be strong enough
to divorce ourselves from

576
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:18,300
people.
Or places that bring us pain.

577
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,600
Like for me, in order to do the
work that I do, I wake up every

578
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,900
day and purposely decide to be a
motherless child.

579
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,800
Even though my mom is alive, I
cannot connect with her and do

580
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,200
this work because she cannot do
anything.

581
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,600
Will be abusive.
She can't, she doesn't know how

582
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,200
to connect with her kids without
manipulation about abuse.

583
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,700
He just can't do it.
So then, it's unfortunately up

584
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,300
to me and their family members.
That don't agree with that.

585
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:45,200
And so I have limited access to
my whole family, but I'm happy

586
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,100
as I can be.
And I should Show up and do my

587
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,100
work.
So, I want to say it's not going

588
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,600
to be easy, but it will be
rewarding.

589
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Yeah, that is such an important
point that you bring up is that

590
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,100
not everybody will accept you
for you and that's okay.

591
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:01,300
Even if it is your own mom, even
if it is your own siblings.

592
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Yeah, you know sometimes you
just have to realize that those

593
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,900
are the boundaries that you set
up for yourself in order to be

594
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:10,700
fully actualized as your own,
happy soul, being what and

595
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:13,300
doing, what it was intended to
do on this Earth and that's

596
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:14,900
nobody else's business but
yours.

597
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:18,100
Absolutely.
And we want to just reiterate

598
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:19,900
that we are more than our pain,
everyone?

599
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,200
Yeah, that we have to stop
letting that be our badge of

600
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,900
honor.
I know note Mama Pearl who are

601
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,000
some of your biggest Role
Models.

602
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:31,000
Well, I must say, I feel so
proud that I can say.

603
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,100
So many people, I'm definitely
inspired by you and the work

604
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,500
that you are doing.
Of course, we love Josephine

605
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:40,800
Baker, but I would say right
now, my coach Rachel Rogers, she

606
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400
has a program called.
We should all be millionaires.

607
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:47,300
And this is a black woman that's
saying, hey, Al Black women we

608
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:51,000
should be millionaires and even
if you are you know, like she's

609
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,900
helping me understand that even
though I'm doing healing work,

610
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,700
I've been called to offer this
and curated because we have this

611
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:59,400
thing where it's like, oh people
I'm going to pay you a dollar

612
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,000
for your service to like drain
your body to help me kill myself

613
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,800
today but you know, I'll pay two
thousand dollars for dinner and

614
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,400
a bottle of champagne.
But for you, you get a dollar.

615
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,900
And so she's teaching me to
understand that it doesn't

616
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,100
matter if I've been called to
curate healing Workshop.

617
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,900
Oops, I should also be
compensated the same price that

618
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:21,900
people will pay other kind of
coaches and know it.

619
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,700
She is really inspiring to me.
I'm also really inspired by all

620
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:27,500
of my daughters and the house of
Noir.

621
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,900
They Make Me Brave and I'm
inspired by my brother who was

622
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:34,200
born when I was 15 and he was
born to heal me.

623
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200
And yeah, I could go on and on
but those are the people right

624
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,200
now that that stick out
beautiful.

625
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Oh my goodness problem, where I
could probably talk to you for

626
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,100
hours more seriously.
You're just a ball of energy.

627
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,500
He and just so much love and so
much Glam so much fabulousness

628
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:52,900
in one body.
Thank you so much for being a

629
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:54,500
role model.
Thank you so much.

630
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,300
Thank you.
I'm sending love and light.

631
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,900
Beautiful healing light,
everyone pow pow