Episode 37: Perle Noire - The Black Burlesque Queen on Healing Through Seduction

0:07 Hello, beautiful humans. Welcome to another episode of Role Models juicy conversations with beautiful humans. I'm Jennifer Norman founder of the human Beauty movement and your host, this podcast thrives on your support. So if you like what you hear, follow us write us review us share this episode with everyone, you know, across your networks. So a lot of you know, that I exist On this planet to inspire more self-love and I started this podcast to provide examples and representation of self-love and radical self-expression. Loving yourself. Gives you permission to love your body and enjoy your body and have fun with your body. So I couldn't be more delighted to present to you, my fabulous. Guest Pearl Noir is the black burlesque Queen known as Mama Pearl in the burlesque Community. She is a paragon of Glitz and glamour who advocates for people to reclaim their And their sensuality, she created a program called healing through seduction. That teaches you how to honor your desires with no shame and no guilt.

1:09 Welcome Pearl. Hello. Beautiful people. I'm so excited. Hi. Hi. Hi. Now, I am fascinated and intrigued by you. You have to tell me how you got into Pearl, ask and how you knew that this was your calling? Well, I am so proud to say with my chest with my heart Chopper wide. Open with my throat chakra activated that I am defendant of Josephine Baker. I Am The Reincarnation. She chose me to use for Less to heal. Seven Generations forward and back in to help heal the world. I was chosen, I didn't choose the game. The game tells me Right here, that's the gist of it. But all of that is, I found myself back with my high school sweetheart after September 11th.

2:01 I was telling myself that my five foot three self would be a showgirl. Bless my heart, bless my little precious short, part of the biggest to be a show girl with no Dance Training from the ghetto, it just going to be short and I'm going to do it and I did not, but I ended up singing for a lounge band. And then September 11 happened. And so of course tourism went down and so I was like, okay, where are we going to go now Carmen Sandiego and I found myself in New Orleans and while I was there I just was led to this newspaper and I was like, oh let's see what the wanna has have say. Maybe they've got some kind of show, I can audition for and lo and behold this beautiful black woman named Jeanne had AKA Alicia.

2:43 Miller, she had an all-black burlesque musical called backstage at the funky be and I said, oh, okay. And I had heard about burlesque but I wasn't really familiar with it. I go to the audition. I get the part of La Liga, Dieci Lolly. Medici was an expert Les queen turned like crackhead stripper. Hello? Okay? With her abusive boyfriend. Intron and so I did this amazing show and like this woman was amazing, she is amazing. She wrote all of the music and I helped with the choreography and while doing the research that's when Josephine spoke to me. So I, you know, I needed to die. Deep into the history of burlesque and more specifically black burlesque.

3:23 And what was Troublesome was that wasn't much to find. I was like really devastated, but of course, Josephine Baker was everywhere and looking at her pictures, like looking at her in blackface, on one photo and flipping it over and seeing her in the castle. I just was blown away. That was this person's life story and like the pages just spoke to me and I was like oh my God I think this is me and I'm think I'm supposed To honor her Legacy. And after I finished that musical, I ended up auditioning for another burlesque show on Bourbon Street, called bus style burlesque, and I got a chance to perform at the world famous House of Blues. When I went into that audition, it was me. And I was the only black woman there except for black choreographer.

4:08 And she took one. Look at me and said, that's a diamond in the rough. That's what star and the rest is history. So I started training with her and found myself all over the world including like this. The opera house, having one of the first four less reviews in Asia, and, and here we are. I hope I answered that question. You sure did and I would love to be able to help Enlighten people who might not be as familiar with burlesque, you probably seen it. The fishnets, the costuming, the regalia. But what is it? That specifically differentiates burlesque versus maybe other forms of performance or dance? One thing, one more like the most important thing that makes it different is that everyone's going to to answer the question differently every burlesque performer and icon or queen or King that you talked to is going to answer it differently and that's what I love, right?

4:57 It's not like ballet where everyone's going to say the same thing. And so for me personally a lot of people think about burlesque being about kind of an exaggerated celebration of femininity, you know. For some people it's about body positivity and which I must say for me, it was body positivity as well. I started my body positivity Journey but for me body positivity had To do with my shape, but the color of my skin up in the South being told that I was too dark. So I had to learn to fall in love with something. I'll never be able to change, right? And so, it can be about that. But for me, it's about having the luxury of not being performative. The way I % burlesque in the way I teach it, is for you to go in, not showing your pasties, but showing your heart, Having the courage to be, still to truly be seen Having the courage to really look at people in the eyes to have this moment.

5:49 Mint of intimacy that has nothing to do with the pressure of giving or receiving an orgasm, the kind of intimacy that we actually are looking for that. We mistake is being horny and we want to have sex. No, you just want someone to see you. And so for me what makes for Less different is that you can perform without being performative. You don't need to rely on counts. I teach people to breathe through it. I teach people to instead of creating choreography to create moving affirmations. Wow, so rather than it being a Show or a performance for somebody else's entertainment. This is really a way for you to step into your body and embrace everything. That that means from a sensual perspective, is that right? That's my Approach.

6:32 And like I said, if you interview someone else to have a totally different answer, which that in itself is what makes for Less different, right? Right. And I love that. You have taken this to that next level because certainly with your embodiment of the queen herself, Josephine Baker, God Rest, You know, you know, she's just inspired so many and she lives on through the essence and the performances and the embodiment of so many including yourself, which is lovely and what an honor to carry on that Legacy for sure, for sure. But you do help teach others how to heal through seduction. And so tell me how you essentially are helping people to learn how to step into their seductive cells, and strip away. Shame stripper way.

7:19 Intimidation or feelings of discomfort. I'm so happy. You asked that. So I teach people to do exactly what I did, right? And the journey of healing through seduction. The first thing is understanding that I'm not going to ask you to do anything that's for someone else. Again going back to the, we're not going to perform. I want to teach people the importance of consent and boundaries when we're thinking about seduction. It's always I think people think of Seduction as yeah. Like something you're going to do to get Something in return from other people and I'm asking the question, what are you giving to yourself, you know, logically, we know, we have to eat and drink water everyday or we will die. And I'm asking why don't we trust that?

8:00 We have to do the same thing for our spirit especially when it comes to sensuality and my Approach is to also kind of change the conversation on sensuality and seduction, again, to where it is, not for other people. So, for example, one of the things I love to do in my classes is ask people to bring out a vibrator of course. Everyone's like oh we're going to masturbate and I'm like, no we're going to activate our throat chakra in our heart chakra and our third eye with this vibrator first so that we can kind of learn what Sensations actually feel good to us. Instead of always thinking of Seduction being about our genital area, we are so much more than that and seduction should be a very beautiful quiet, intimate conversation with ourselves first and it will also help us be better friends. And lovers, so, especially lovers. So when you actually spend time seducing yourself with things, like, I like to call it poetry.

8:55 But the term that we're all used to is affirmation. So when you are actually in the habit of speaking kindly to yourself, you won't be so distraught. If you don't hear certain things, when you walk down the street, you won't be destroyed. If you don't get certain things and when you take time actually touching your body and maybe even saying things like yes or no out loud, that gets you in a habit of practicing consent and practicing boundaries with self. It's easier to tell other people yes or no. And when you actually know what you like and you've actually dated yourself, you won't be an awful lover. And what I mean by that is, you won't punish people for not knowing something that you yourself. Don't even know about your body. Mmm, very good point.

9:35 It's like, well, you didn't give me an orgasm. Well, did you give yourself an orgasm before they arrive to your Boudoir? Any instructions on what you needed or did you play along and pretend to be someone else? Because you've been taught that? It's all about snagging. Someone else all about, getting that job, getting that lover, but there's always going to be avoid regardless of how much money you make, regardless of how many children you have, regardless of your partner or Partners until you are in the habit of being kind to yourself, and asking yourself why? You might feel guilty for being kind to yourself. There's always going to be a disconnect. I hope that made sense because you know how, you know, you speaking like it makes sense to me, but I hope that they can send y'all yeah. But just to clarify, I think that for a lot of people there are Certain terms or phrases that dance around the same area. And one of them is like seduction, sensuality erotica. Sex of course and sexuality.

10:29 And so when we talk about the idea of Seduction, I think that people think about like that teasing or that enticement or that Temptation, it's almost like the game part of it. I think getting the hook into it. Where is I think erotica or eroticism? They think about that issuing or the This idea of maybe art form, which is what to do with sex and sexuality, but it doesn't necessarily get, you know, it's not necessarily in either case about view orgasm, you know, it's not about having the sex. It's really about measuring and that aspect in that whole Space of turning on either yourself or a partner for example. Yeah. And that's why I've been trying to say self seduction more so people understand.

11:14 When they come to healing through seduction, we are not going to discuss what you can do to please. Other people, what feels good to you. How often are you sitting with yourself? Do you have the courage to sit with your thoughts? Do you have the courage to seduce Yourself by being bored? When I mean by that is to just be silent. Maybe, you know, watch the trees and the leaves go, you know, from side to side like instead of always feeling, we have to overstimulate ourselves and something always needs to be done and as a woman in particular, as I can, as a woman, I have to do all of these things and I've got to be strong and I'd be sexy and I gotta gotta do it. All these things and yeah there's a disconnect there. Yeah and I think to a certain degree some people would say Okay burlesque is performance. And it is for entertainment.

11:59 But then when they think about self seduction or they think about anything that might be of pleasure to themselves, there tends to be this inherent guilt or shame that comes up, and it might be from religion, it might be Sinners and Saints, it might be the Madonna, whore complex. It could be all of those things that are just in our subconscious. And that we have been Rams to believe internally about ourselves that I think causes some people to feel uncomfortable or low. This is taboo, this is something that I can't do. Is that something that you've seen as well. Absolutely, when people come to me, religion plays a huge part in their unwillingness to be seen by themselves because again, you know, regardless I think regardless of your gender religion can be very hard but especially if you're a woman and almost, I don't really know any religions that. That don't vilify women.

12:51 Yeah, I remember, growing up. It was all about. If you have an impure thought, then you better do, 10, Hail Marys and do 20 our fathers in order to cleanse yourself of these impure thoughts, you know? So it kind of went along that line and I grew up Baptist and it was, we were always reminded that he's messed up. We were always reminded of Yves and descriptions and how she did this and we always, you know, in the South, they have the term fast tail girl and so it's like, Now, when the Deacon was seduced by the fast tail girl, and I want to say, for those who don't know, a fast hell girl is like from the age of 10 to like 18. So we're talking about children, but the Deacon was seduced by the child and so the child, then had to get on and like, you know, ask for forgiveness.

13:39 But not the grown man. And, you know, she had to cover up and this was something that that's why I gravitated towards healing through burlesque and self seduction, because I do know, are we He had a size D at 11. I was already a d-cup and I was taught very early pretty girl Brickhouse. Yeah. It's almost like taught very early to hide. I was taught that if a man and my family or outside of my family did something, to me, that it was my fault. And so that's where it for me. The self seduction came in along with like, internalized, racism to like, I had to learn how to like my own company, how to enjoy my body for self, and I use for Less to change the narrative. What happened to me in my bedroom?

14:21 Wow. So now over the years, I mean, I've seen a lot of rising of body empowerment and sensuality classes. There's now belly dancing classes, and pole, dancing classes, and Tantra and Kundalini, and the list goes on. But I honestly haven't seen very many in Burlesque, so, I'm curious. What is it about burlesque that? You think brings something new to the table? Is it music? Is it costume fly? Is it more than that? I think it's everything. Thing. You know, one of the things I have nine principles and I'll just go through a few on how I heal through Pearl asking how I teach people to healed River last one, especially if you are a woman of color glamour, glamour is your Birthright. So using the way we can play in Burlesque and you know, build these alter egos or for me, I don't have a Persona.

15:07 I'm just finally allowed to be myself but putting on a gown for no reason. When you come to my class I tell everyone to wear lingerie. As you can see, I'm in lingerie right now. This is my uniform for work. So we want to think about glamour. Being a way to heal. Because again, when you incorporate glamour, you also will can tap into your inner child and your inner Diva. And that is so important for people, especially for women of color, who have not had as many beautiful representation on TV, saying that you're allowed to be glamorous just for the fun of it. You know. I grew up a lot of times when it was a glamorous black woman, she was a prostitute, you know, for TV representation. It wasn't like she was just glamorous to be right. And the other thing we want to think about with burlesque, your Also able to redefine intimacy because again that goes back into if you are performing or if you're in one of my classes, the first thing I'm going to ask that you look at me and I'm going to look at you.

15:58 So we have that intimacy with just the eye contact right? Which is amazing and the other thing too that I think what makes people click when they do burlesque as a healing modality. Do you want to dance your way to self love? Everyone knows regardless of what type of dancing is? That's why you see so many videos on Instagram and YouTube and tick-tock. People being uninhibited when they dance now, unfortunately, most of them can't get there without liquid encouragement substance, true. And I'm saying, you don't need that. All you need is yourself, mmm. And it's that promise of being uninhibited and a communal healing setting. That's why it clicks for people. Because in a lot of people want to be extra, they want to be extra, they want a place to be extra and that is with me. I love the tapping into your inner Diva. I think that is brilliant.

16:51 And, you know, back when I was growing up, I had heard the term blaxploitation I and I think that that was a very common thing seventies eighties, you know, and, and so, do you hear about people being like, Oh, you're encouraging it? Or do you hear people saying like this isn't helping? Like what would you say to people who are like this is something that's like feeding into some negative aspects of what black power. A really stands for well darling. Here we go. Here in the audience, I mean, they are just enamored with them and then I come out and I've even had black women turned their back to me while I was performing. It is so traumatizing to Be out there and it's okay for my white counterparts.

17:49 They can be glamorous, they can be sexy, they can be sensual and I get out there and you're ashamed to see me and I've had conversations with some black people, even black performers who when I was doing a tribute to Josephine Baker, I did do the banana skirt and you know, the psycho your kooning like how could you? And I had to remind them right? But she put on that banana skirt for a reason just as I am. And so it's about being okay? And being open with being liberated. Berated it honoring whatever the story is that you want to tell. And so for a lot of them, their issue black women, sometimes when they see other black women doing burlesque. Yeah, they feel like it's we're not being modest. You know, when you think about the black church, we need to think about the black family.

18:32 And for me, I always bring up the fact that what about before we were brought here? What, about the time before we were introduced to Christianity? And keep in mind, Christianity was introduced to our ancestors that were slaves. I want to make sure that I say that that were slaves. That is not where our lineage begins everybody that very clear. The ancestors that were slaves. They were taught Christianity to keep them enslaved to say that it is in the Bible. It is in the Bible. So you have these enslaved people and then you teach them to praise your God. But the gods and deities we had before this were a glamorous women, like, oshun, topless dancing freely, being served being worshipped.

19:15 And so I I always ask them. Well, what about that part of our history? Don't you think our ancestors deserve for their religious beliefs to still be alive within us to me burlesque is also about connecting to your ancestors especially if you're a person of color because all people of color, we healed through movement, unless we have been introduced to Christianity. I want everyone to ponder on that. Yes, yes, I think that there's a lot in probably for another podcast on the whole aspect of Christianity and Skirt instead of happens with religion and power and whether it be enslavement or just any kind of domination or control over another, it usually was something that people lean towards religion or some sort of system in order to drive that forward.

20:03 And so I want to thank you for all the things that you've gone through number one. And I feel like the women who were in the audience seeing you as a reflection of them, it made them uncomfortable. You could tell that that. As a trigger for them, it had less to do about you and your performance and your self expression than it did with their own discomfort, with where their boundaries are and where their soul really wanted to go and their inability to do that because of the boxes that they have put themselves in right? And so I think that the teachings that you have are really profound really important in order for people to just, you know, whether you're black, white brown, yellow, it doesn't matter. It's like there are opportunities for us to really tap into our Elves in bigger better ways and why not? Make it fun, why not?

20:49 Make it wonderful, why not do it with some style and some Pizzazz? What the heck? Not you know what I say? And I must say I want to add one last thing to that and that's why it's important for me to be visible and all the other black and brown and yellow and biracial performers. You know, what I will say is that I am starting to see different sex conferences, different like polyamorous talks. They're bringing in black burlesque performers and now You know people in the black community and the brown Community, they are starting to you know, accept that this is good for the community. It is taking away. We're not harlots were not you know a part of the agenda, you know, this is this is good, like you said for all Races everyone needs to see all genders be in a position to have control over their bodies. Yeah.

21:39 And not only that but I mean you found it an award-winning Dance Company, the house of war and you also debuted then Warpath Chance. And this is the only burlesque pageant dedicated to uplifting the bipod community Through healing events. And so, I mean, you are living proof of the way that this can touch lives. Can you tell me what it was like, putting on this pageant and what really inspired you to do it? So my own life and Trauma, like all things anything that I do, it's always love letter to myself that I can change the narrative. So, in 2009, I became the first black woman of this generation to receive a queen of burlesque tight. Old unfortunately, the white producer didn't think I had the right look, and I knew him for years and no one was expecting me to win.

22:25 They were expecting Dita, Von Teese, has mentor and friend, Katherine delish twins. She's an icon and Legend in our community. I was expecting her to win and I won and even though I won, it was her face on all the promo. Do you receive all of the crest? And then I was just kind of erased from the competition archives and I waited about 10 years, To see if any black brown performers would do it. I just kept waiting, and kept waiting and that same competition, he led Like A Nazi kind of act in and I say, okay this, that's enough now and I made the announcement and it was really beautiful because a lot of people were like, yes, finally something that's going to be just for us and it was heartbreaking to because there were also some black performers that felt like we already have a white competition called the burlesque Hall of Fame, and everyone is wanting And as people of color, they want to take over that space which is an important fight as well. But my thing is, what if we have our own, then we don't have to take over their space, just have our own. So I created this pageant for us to cure a 15 City International tour, which is not a thing.

23:32 Secured over 30 sponsors, including MAC cosmetics and then we got the announcement that there's a virus out here so we were all freaking out but people because it was historic, people still got on the plane. Right? As everyone arrived. New York. We got the message that we were going to shut down in three days. So I actually had the last large event before the world. Shut down. No pressure there. No pressure at all. I'm sure. And I plan on bringing it back but I'm waiting. I like a lot of burlesque is still going on but I just I don't want to party with a mask on. I don't want us worrying about touching each other. I want us to act in school, so I'm waiting to do that. And I was really proud because everyone, From the house of Noir, I made history with this dance company as well. We became the best large group for burlesque Hall of Fame and it's a family.

24:24 I was really inspired by the movie, Paris is burning and the houses and Willie ninja in particular and, you know, just kind of feeling like an orphan myself, and a lot of artists do we usually make our own family? And so the house of Noir is still intact. I'm still connected to all of my daughters and all of them. They were either judges or they crowned the winners for the North. Our pageant. So it was really beautiful. Oh my goodness. It sounds incredible fight. One of my daughter's pointed it out, she's like you are just being Baker cuz I have my own Rainbow Tribe as well. Mmm, nice. I have all these were less children all over the world, I love that. And not only that, I mean, I want to applaud you for helping to change the narrative as a strong black woman.

25:09 And for those that may not have arrived at this self-actualization that you have, what would you want to say to black women? Women who are living their lives and may actually still be in the shadow, or may still, you know, be feeling like they can't fully Express themselves. I want to say to black women. Please come forward realizing that everything that is popular. It's because they're imitating us. I would dare say even burlesque. They're, you know, they're less Springs and fans and headpieces. I think of indigenous people, when I see that when I see certain type of fan movement, I think of beautiful Asian people, and their culture. And when I see all these hips and Manipulating your body, I think of black women in the history of corsets and muscles and all of that, you know, these were white women, trying to imitate black women.

25:55 And so, I would say to remember that to remember that, even though a lot of times we are told, were not desirable or too loud or too this and that, but we are always imitated. And the other thing is, please trust that we have been scammed. We are more than our pain and Arcane. I want us to stop believing that that's a badge of honor. ER I want us to redefine what it means to be a strong black woman. A strong woman, a strong person be strong by sitting the heck down be strong by saying no when you really need to be strong by resting, you can do more for your community when you pour into yourself. You know, that's how you prevent burnout in. The last thing is think about self seduction because you are also more than just your body for someone else.

26:40 Absolutely. You know, I actually was a long time ago when I was reading, Eckhart Tolle a Power of Now. Talking about pain bodies. And that's that, you know, people who had been enslaved or people who had been generations and large sets of people talk about like, you know, be the Jewish, you know, with all Schwartz and the Nazis. And I'll like there are massive, massive amounts of people of classes of people that are have gone through so much trauma, and those pains are passed down from generation to generation, they continue to live on and how do you break free of that? How do you essentially say, you know, at the past is in the past, I'm To learn how to forgive. I'm going to honor the past and my ancestors for what they've been through, but I am going to live my life forward.

27:22 I'm going to not be offended when I hear certain things being said to me when it might be out of ignorance or it might be out of just you know people not understanding what I've been carrying inside this burden in this load, that I've been carrying on. But what is it that you have? Because I know you're a very spiritual person and I know that there's a lot that you bring to the table, not just the dancing in the fans and the Glam. But you know, what is it that can really help to get? Answer that part where we can release and let go of those pain bodies that have been burdening us for Generations. Oh my goodness, really allowing ourselves to tap into that pleasure. So don't wait on Thanksgiving to pull out that China, you know, take that bath, teach your children, the importance of giving you your time especially if it's a boy.

28:09 So if he's a heterosexual he understands that his wife should not be at his beck and call, you know, actually slow down. Down when you masturbate, because when you do reach the certain peak of orgasm or just pleasure, that is, in my opinion, probably one of the moments when we really are tapping into, what our ancestors knew how to do without sex, which is truly be uninhibited to truly. Let go truly be closer to whatever entity created the action and created us for whatever purpose we were created for. So, it's honoring moments of pleasure. And again, going back to not being married to the idea of your work. Is associated with your pain. Yeah, it's not about the suffering, it's about it's about The Liberation.

28:53 You know, it's not about the slavery. It's about the liberation's. Like you know it's like celebrate the fact for a moment that you're free celebrate. And these are things that you can do that, help to cultivate a life and manifest a life of beauty and fun and pleasure. But you know, let that really sink in let that be, you know, be something that is your Birthright and that can carry forth to your kids and everybody else that you Pro generate from here on out. Absolutely. And especially taking time to think about glamour being your Birthright, especially for black people. Again we what were we? Before we were taken you look at. There's all these beautiful bright colors is all these ceremonies and and so incorporating more glamour into your life.

29:35 You know I was brought up being told you know black girls don't wear red lipstick. Put on that red lipstick, honey. Put on the red limit. They couldn't look more fabulous than on dark. Yeah. Like things and also unfortunately to in order to be liberated, there has to be a moment of honoring that not had Shackles on. Yeah. So there has to be a moment again in order to love who I am. Now, I love being a dark-skinned black woman, but I first had to acknowledge that I did. So there has to be this acknowledgement the role we play in our own trauma and pain, and then we have to be strong enough to divorce ourselves from people. Or places that bring us pain.

30:18 Like for me, in order to do the work that I do, I wake up every day and purposely decide to be a motherless child. Even though my mom is alive, I cannot connect with her and do this work because she cannot do anything. Will be abusive. She can't, she doesn't know how to connect with her kids without manipulation about abuse. He just can't do it. So then, it's unfortunately up to me and their family members. That don't agree with that. And so I have limited access to my whole family, but I'm happy as I can be. And I should Show up and do my work. So, I want to say it's not going to be easy, but it will be rewarding. Yeah, that is such an important point that you bring up is that not everybody will accept you for you and that's okay. Even if it is your own mom, even if it is your own siblings.

31:01 Yeah, you know sometimes you just have to realize that those are the boundaries that you set up for yourself in order to be fully actualized as your own, happy soul, being what and doing, what it was intended to do on this Earth and that's nobody else's business but yours. Absolutely. And we want to just reiterate that we are more than our pain, everyone? Yeah, that we have to stop letting that be our badge of honor. I know note Mama Pearl who are some of your biggest Role Models. Well, I must say, I feel so proud that I can say. So many people, I'm definitely inspired by you and the work that you are doing. Of course, we love Josephine Baker, but I would say right now, my coach Rachel Rogers, she has a program called. We should all be millionaires.

31:43 And this is a black woman that's saying, hey, Al Black women we should be millionaires and even if you are you know, like she's helping me understand that even though I'm doing healing work, I've been called to offer this and curated because we have this thing where it's like, oh people I'm going to pay you a dollar for your service to like drain your body to help me kill myself today but you know, I'll pay two thousand dollars for dinner and a bottle of champagne. But for you, you get a dollar. And so she's teaching me to understand that it doesn't matter if I've been called to curate healing Workshop. Oops, I should also be compensated the same price that people will pay other kind of coaches and know it. She is really inspiring to me. I'm also really inspired by all of my daughters and the house of Noir.

32:27 They Make Me Brave and I'm inspired by my brother who was born when I was 15 and he was born to heal me. And yeah, I could go on and on but those are the people right now that that stick out beautiful. Oh my goodness problem, where I could probably talk to you for hours more seriously. You're just a ball of energy. He and just so much love and so much Glam so much fabulousness in one body. Thank you so much for being a role model. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm sending love and light. Beautiful healing light, everyone pow pow