The Power of Self-Worth & Creativity with Deborah Weed

Jennifer Norman:
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Jennifer Norman:
I'm so glad you're here. Joining me for today's show,.

Jennifer Norman:
Today we have an extraordinary guest whose journey of empowerment and creativity is short sure to leave you inspired. Deborah Weed is an award winning author, motivational speaker and the founder of the Self Worth Initiative. Her own personal journey is a powerful testament to resilience. After a successful career in corporate marketing, a misdiagnosis left her bedridden for three years, causing her self worth to plummet. But a revelation about a unique penny became her turning point, teaching her that even what seems worthless can hold immense value. Deborah went on to write a number of books including the Luckiest Penny, If Only, and Paisley's Last Quill. Her latest project, Paisley The Musical, is a Broadway style production in the works, all about hope, dreams and reclaiming your power.

Jennifer Norman:
So if you are ready to tap into your inner strength, embrace your creativity and transform your life, then get ready. It's time to rewrite your story with Deborah Weed. Welcome to the show, Deborah.

Deborah Weed:
Thank you, Jennifer. I'm so excited to be here.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow, you have a really fascinating story. I don't know too many people that have gone through what you've gone through. First being in the corporate world and having a career in entertainment and in marketing. And now you're an artist, you're an author. You have to tell us all about that shift and what you learned from the transition.

Deborah Weed:
Wow, that is huge in itself.

Jennifer Norman:
Yes.

Deborah Weed:
Well, I can say that when I was younger, much, much younger, I was told that I was too sensitive. And I'm sure there's so many people out there, I'm sure your listeners, some of them are empaths and are told the same thing. So as I grew up, I'm like, I'll show you. I'll just rise up and be the biggest and the best. And you know what I was and I did. I worked on a $26 million pavilion with Disney and Universal consultants for in Tajon Korea for Kia Motors. And I was the director of development for Citibank, 19 branches. But you know what, Jennifer? When I was there, I never smiled.

Deborah Weed:
When I was in corporate, I had the look, I had the vibe, and I had the attitude, but what was missing was my heart.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, you put on that armor.

Deborah Weed:
I put on armor right away. And I think that the universe had a different plan for me. Kind of saying, you were born to be a creative, and yet here you are in a very formal and structured environment where, in essence, you're dying inside. So we're going to have to conspire and do something a little drastic. Although I don't wish it was this drastic. This is what my experience was, is I was misdiagnosed. And at the time, the pain that I was feeling, oh, I couldn't get out of bed. Literally, I could not get out of bed.

Deborah Weed:
The pain was like withering, and it was extreme. And I went from doctor to doctor, and one doctor would say, you have MS, and then the next doctor said, you have Lou Gehrigs, but maybe we won't know it for a while. And then the next doctor said, it's probably all in your head. What this does to somebody who's career oriented and driven, has gotten to the heights of their career is it makes you question your own sanity, integrity. Because my family, who had been so supportive in the past, they were like, well, if every doctor is saying something different, then what's really happening?

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Deborah Weed:
And so for three years, I was like, in bed, losing myself, not knowing what to do. And for any of your listeners who are out there right now who have that kind of suffering where they're just not sure and they're being told different things from doctors, my first thing is, please believe in yourself, know that you are worthy, and know that there are answers out there. So anyways, what it turned out to be was that I had a tumor the size of a grapefruit, but it was fibroid tumor behind my uterus, and I had been hemorrhaging every day. But the doctors had said, well, it's probably heavy menstruation and you're going to be fine. Until a doctor figured out that my iron was between a three and a six, depending on when he checked it. And he said, Deborah, you should have been dead. Now, during this time of not having a career, being bedridden, feeling pretty darn worthless, I heard about a penny, a penny, a 1943 pure copper penny that could be worth a million dollars. And what really got to me was, was that that penny was made by mistake.

Deborah Weed:
It was rare and special because it was made by mistake. And it got me thinking, well, if a penny, something that people won't even stop to pick up, if that can be worth a million dollars, then what am I worth?

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Deborah Weed:
So during this time of feeling abandoned by my family because they didn't know what to think and feeling like my career was gone, I started to use my creativity to develop a book and a musical for kids based on the luckiest penny. And when the doctor did find out what had transpired and I had a hysterectomy and then came back to life, I was able to take this and start become the founder of the Self Worth Initiative. Because what I learned, and I think so many people don't know, is there's a difference between self esteem and self worth. Self esteem is like, hey, I did a great job in that career. Wow, that is so cool. Look at who I am. Whereas self worth is, what do we place? How much value do we get to decide how much we're worth and why? And I was thinking, gosh, what a perfect way to teach kids how much they're worth through the eyes of a penny that could be worth a million dollars. So that was the beginning of my journey.

Jennifer Norman:
Amazing. Deborah, thank you so much for sharing that story. And it is a great, valuable lesson to all of us that it is our uniqueness and how much rarer are we than a penny? There's so much more uniqueness and so much more value that we have. And a lot of people do get confused between self esteem and self worth. I even get confused between them. And I think a lot of people use them synonymously. But yeah, you were saying some that when you have self worth and you feel like the richest person on earth.

Deborah Weed:
Yeah. It's a big, gigantic difference. And it's something that I learned the hard way and I really want to share with people. You get to determine how much you're worth and want and own it.

Jennifer Norman:
And to all of my dear empaths out there, I know that I've had several conversations about sensitivity and being an empath and being a people pleaser and taking on the energy of so many others. A lot of times, especially women, we tend to take on all of this and we are criticized. Oh, don't be so sensitive. You're being too dramatic. Oh, just brush it off. And sometimes it's not so easy. But when you're trying to get to a certain place in a career, yeah, we armor up. Just like Brene Brown says.

Jennifer Norman:
We put. Put that on. We create this shell and we just trudge in and we lose a bit of ourselves. We lose a bit of what makes us so special deep within. It's almost like we are denying that integrity of ourselves, ourselves, or losing that in the process of trying to fit in or stand out in a way that we feel that we would get accolades or some sort of a semblance of worth, some sort of external validation by a title by, oh, look what I have done, look what I have accomplished. But then that can lead to such deep dissatisfaction with oneself. And some would say that could also create a lot of physical stress. It could create a lot of physical ailment.

Jennifer Norman:
Not to say that that's what caused the tumor or a lot of these things. Some people will say it is all in your head. Oh, fibromyalgia. A lot of people discounted that as an actual diagnosis until we realize, yes, it actually is something that is absolutely valid. Fibromyalgia is real. But, wow, you were finally able to come to a understanding of what the heck was going on with you. Thank goodness. And it takes that trial and that persistence and not giving up on yourself and really just continuing to find what can work for you.

Jennifer Norman:
And thank goodness you did. How long did it take you after you had your hysterectomy? How long were you able to get back on your feet?

Deborah Weed:
I was able to get back on my feet pretty quickly because I had created the musical and I wanted to get it out there. And we performed it in New York and we performed it in Miami for thousands of families and their kids. And the reaction was amazing. Absolutely, positively amazing. I think that trauma, for me, Jennifer, trauma is sometimes feels like a big boulder that's inside of you. And because you put all the stuff inside, the emotions, the feelings, everything that you were just mentioning, creativity is like water. It's like a God given talent or something that just flows through us. And if we can push it out into the world, if we can let it channel through us, that is one of the most healing, dynamic forces that there is that we're gifted with.

Deborah Weed:
So I was able to learn right there and then that creativity was the thing that was going to save me over and over and over in my life.

Jennifer Norman:
I can't help but think about this metaphor of the fact that you had this blockage, this tumor that was right there in your womb space. It's that space of creativity. And it was almost as if your body was communicating what was happening on the outside of you. Like you were going into the space corporate dynamic that really perhaps Wasn't you. And it was creating that blockage potentially to your creativity. And then once that was released or once you were able to battle it and overcome that, it's almost like, wow, you were free. You were set free. It's really very powerful in terms of the way that I'm like thinking about it metaphorically and chakra wise, that's actually profound.

Deborah Weed:
I had never really even thought of that. Here I am claiming that it's like this big rock and then.

Jennifer Norman:
Exactly. And I was like, like a tumor.? When you were saying it's like this big boulder inside of you, I was like, yeah, right in your womb space where it's the center of your creativity.

Deborah Weed:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
I would think that that might be correlated somehow.

Deborah Weed:
I. You know what? I do believe that that's true. I do believe that life was redirecting me and had to do something drastic to get my attention. Because trying to be unsensitive when that's one of my gifts, creativity and sensitivity and being an empath is one of my gifts and probably so many people's gifts and try to diminish that, we take away from ourselves and probably lose that quality that makes us shine.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, well, gosh, yeah. You never want people to go through tragedies, especially ones that are life altering, like risk taking, very serious, like almost fatalistic. But I'm so glad that you were able to come to the conclusion of what it was, resolve it, dissipate it. And now you have such a powerful source story to tell and you have not only your story, but you have these stories that you've created. So let's back up and talk about Paisley, because you mentioned in musical. But I want to talk about Paisley the Porcupine and the quills and all of that. Can you share with the audience what that beautiful story is about?

Deborah Weed:
Absolutely. And I hate to say this, Jennifer, but I got into another health situation. It seems like a health situation always precedes the creative, whatever it might be. But when I went through this next one, what I realized more than anything is that when we give our power away, I don't believe. I've come to believe it's not because of fear. I know so many people say it is, but for me it's not because of fear, but it's because we've given away our power. Quill by quill.

Deborah Weed:
For my next story, I needed a metaphor. Something where we really feel what protection giving away our protection would be. And the perfect, the very perfect metaphor for that was a porcupine for Me. So I decided to write this book about a little porcupine who dreams of being a fashion designer. That's what she wants more than anything in the world. But in the animal fashion world, porcupines must give away their quill, not use them as protection, but give them away as almost like pins. So they're kind of like a little walking, talking hip pin, pin cushion. So she goes into the world of Zavana, who only cares about how her models look with the outfits.

Deborah Weed:
The couture is like Met Gala couture, but she only cares about how they look. And Paisley is kind of a porcupine pleaser. She wants to make sure that all the top models feel good. And so she keeps on taking her quills to help them feel good about what they're wearing. And because of circumstances in the storyline, she gives away all of her quills but one. And it's what she's able to do with the last quill that makes the difference.

Jennifer Norman:
So she's giving away her own, like that thing that makes her unique, which is like the quills to other people so that they look good or so that they can actually go out and be fabulous. And meanwhile, she's kind of diminishing her own protection, her own. Then I think that she loses her own feeling of self worth, but then was able to recover it with the.

Deborah Weed:
She does this. She does.

Jennifer Norman:
And you don't have to give it away. We don't want to have any spoilers here, but. But Paisley's last quill is a book. It's a beautifully illustrated book that you can buy on Amazon. And I'll be sure to put the link in the show notes so that everybody can take a look at that as well.

Deborah Weed:
Thank you. And because I love that book, the little girls, the mothers and the little girls who got the book, they loved it so much that some of the little girls would sleep with it. And I just realized, I don't know about you, Jennifer, but for me, when I saw Wicked for the first time, oh my God, my heart opened up. Because there's something about music, there's something that's so grand about all this eye candy and going on a journey. And when you sing the songs over and over again, you're subconsciously telling yourself sometimes tremendously powerful. So after Covid and I wasn't able to do some of the live shows like I wanted to, I decided I'm going for my big over the top dream of creating a musical to the scale of Wicked with the music and the drama and take people on an experiential journey of the Paisley giving away her power when her mamet is like, need your quills to protect yourself. So she's going to. We're going to follow her on this journey as she gives away pieces of herself, only to realize after the first act that even though she stood for everybody, nobody stood for her.

Deborah Weed:
And when that happens, I think to all of us, we have to find ourselves. We have to stand for ourselves. And by the conclusion of the musical, I'm hoping, you know, my. It's my greatest wish that people walk out going, I can take back my power. I know how to take back my power because I've been moved to know that as, especially as a creative, that if I don't pursue my dream, I've already lost.

Jennifer Norman:
Exactly. Exactly. Wow. Is there like an Elphaba war cry?

Deborah Weed:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
Super empowering.

Deborah Weed:
Yes, absolutely. You know, at the end of arc one, she's definitely got that whole live going on of how much she gave away to make sure that all the animal models really felt comfortable. Like, Tiara is a tigress, she's a white tiger, but she wears a gold flinch and gold glowworm gown. And it's like spectacular. It's huge. But she's not able to walk, she's not able to go free. And so it's like instances like that where Paisley will try to redo the outfit to suit the model, but that's not Savannah's plan. So Ivana, of course, goes nuts on her every time.

Deborah Weed:
And there's a elephant by the name Ecru who is a plus size model with a plus size heart. And Zavana wants to recover, shrink, and really eat celery and exercise, but that's not her body style. That's not who she is. And once again, Paisley is always trying to make things right. So that gives you a little bit of an idea of some of the characters in there that really are going to explore in a huge way what beauty means.

Jennifer Norman:
Oh, that sounds so precious. And I just have like this visuals in my head of all of the colors and all the fanciful costumes and the music and how the attitude is. And so, yeah, it sounds really special.

Deborah Weed:
Okay, so we're working on all the music and we're thinking of having a global collaboration where literally we look for, for all the creatives out there looking for the next Idina Menzel, some, you know, people who are going to just step forward and be absolutely amazing in the actual production.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow. So you haven't had any performances yet and you are still in the works of sourcing your cast, of getting this to the kind of high level Broadway style musical that you really want to. You have almost like an open invitation for people to participate in this process.

Deborah Weed:
Oh, absolutely. I think it's going to be. At the end of the day, it's going to be a global collaboration because there are, there's so many theatrical things out there in Broadway that are amazing. But this is so original from the standpoint and timely because of all the people that feel powerless and those people who just love the magic of Wicked and the Lion King and just how it really takes us on a journey. It's in that genre of magical realism.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay, so everybody who's listening, we're going to put the link to the website where you can learn a little bit more about the musical and what it's all about. And if you would like to get involved, there actually is a way that you can submit and be involved. It's almost like a crowdfunding sort of a thing. Because we would love to be able to see something like this as well or just come to life and you can kind of be an owner within the magic of making it happen and helping this production actually soar and inspire a whole new generation of young women who really deserve to have these kinds of great stories told. We like to be able to tell the stories about how your uniqueness really makes you shine, how you can really empower yourself with all that you are and be true to yourself. Just as Deborah recognized that not being true to herself was a recipe for not being well. And we want everybody to be their best, healthiest, most abundant, most thriving human beings possible. While we have the opportunity to here on this planet, no matter what your skills are, no matter what your preferences and your passions are, it's just so important that we need you, we need this diversity.

Jennifer Norman:
We need all of you to be your best themselves and to really shine and come forth. So with that, Deborah, I know that you also now do coaching, you do motivational speaking and you've been using a lot of these messages as lessons within your story and all that you've been telling other people and inspiring other people, especially these women who are juggling stress from balancing careers, family, self care. How do you help women in business avoid burnout and reconnect with their own self worth so that they are thriving in both their professional personalize.

Deborah Weed:
Well, I think the most important thing is, number one, be authentic. My dad once told me that whatever you did as a child, like go back to when you were A little girl or a little boy? What did you do naturally? Who were you? Find out who that is, because that is the essence of you. And sometimes we're trying to prove to the world who we are by taking on something that doesn't align with our soul. And just as you've shared, it makes such a big difference if you can actually follow your dream and do what you were born to do. And just like you shared with me, which I had never seen, which is very interesting, about the tumor in me maybe being that molder that was really stopping me, if you have something that's happening within your body or within your psyche, take a look at it. Give yourself a chance to go there. Don't ignore it. Realize that maybe a door closing is another opportunity.

Deborah Weed:
Possibly it's not the right fit.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's a beautiful line from Gary Zukoff, who wrote the very powerful Seat of the Soul. And he said, you know, when your personality aligns with your purpose, that is where you will find true fulfillment. And that really is. It speaks to authenticity, and it speaks to what your calling is. And it doesn't necessarily speak to your vocation because it can be probably seen in different ways. It's not like if you liked to dance when you were a child, then you're going to be a dance. Like, it doesn't have to be as linear as that, but there's something about maybe moving and physicality or something that can be expressed as you go along that you see, that you keep with you.

Jennifer Norman:
But can you imagine if you really love to move and you had to sit at a desk all day? I'm sure a lot of you are like that. I'm probably speaking to a whole lot of people who are sitting at desks right now who are like, man, I used to run around like crazy. And then in school they make you sit, and I just felt boxed in and. And so it's kind of like we force fit ourselves in these environments, which are unnatural. And hopefully we're be able to chip away at that and recognize, yeah, people learn differently. People evolve differently. How can we keep and maintain that authenticity, that beautiful gold, that precious penny that is within you and turn it into a million bucks, you know, when you grow up and, like, really make it flourish and shine. And a lot of times we look at, you know, like, oh, my gosh, that kid was, like, so annoying.

Jennifer Norman:
It was so crazy. It was like, we say all these derogatory things and then they grow up and they're like these magnificent artists or they're the ones that are just selling out concert halls and. And it's because, you know, they've been able to, like, avoid the noise of other people's opinions and judgments and really just follow what felt true to them. Kudos to them. Because I wasn't one of those. I definitely learned the hard way, just like Deborah did, and came to it through my own sense of crucibles and learning. But that's part of life too, is. Is learning what you don't want and was learning what doesn't fit and.

Jennifer Norman:
And trying a lot of things on and failing fast, hopefully.

Deborah Weed:
I like that. As you were talking, I think another thing that, well, is central to me and something that I've discovered and I wonder what you think about this. Actually, I think that nobody can take our power from us. We're the ones that give it away. And often we feel like, no, that's not the case. Look, that person's behaving badly or this is happening over there. They're taking away my power because they're upset or they are yelling at whatever it might be. But no, what about those people? Those people that can just show up and they can just stay so centered and they don't give away their power.

Deborah Weed:
And you can feel it. You can feel that they're fully contained. That's the only way that I can put it. They're fully contained. There's nothing leaking. There's not many people write that, but I've met a few.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, yeah, that is so true. And I think when we start looking externally and we say, oh, that person took away my power, it's because of that. That is unfortunately victim mentality. It's unfortunately like, we perceive that that is the case, but it really is. We are sovereign souls, truly and deeply. We have our own power. And only we can give permission for somebody else to take it away. Just like we are the only reason why we get offended.

Jennifer Norman:
You can choose not to be offended if you just don't care about what other people are thinking about you or saying. Or you can get triggered, or you can let it really bother you, but you have the power within you to make those choices, to decide what you're going to listen to and take inspiration from and really seek in terms of what is positive for your own personal development. Or we can make other choices which are a bit debilitating. And I think that in the case of career, it's a hard one. We know that because it's like, oh, there's stress and there's like the worry, oh, I've got to make a living. Oh, you know what makes the most money? Oh, what will my parents say? And so we have all of these voices and all of these stimuli outside, you know, really kind of eating and feeding on our egos. And that's one of the main reasons why we decide to go into certain paths. It's like, well, what's available?

Jennifer Norman:
What, you know, what. What can I do here? And this is the only thing that seems to be available to me rather than the harder thing to do, is to say, I'm going to be that starving artist for a while until I. Until I make it, or I'm going to find satisfaction in this life being a starving goddess, because I would rather create and not have maybe the mansion on the hill. But I have a really good life because I'm doing the things that I love. And as long as I'm getting by, then that's okay. So it's. It's like a different perspective and a different shift in priorities of what is the right life for you and how are you going to find your joy and your happiness and your meaning.

Deborah Weed:
Oh, I love that. And you know, when you were speaking, when you were talking about this starving artist, I'd like to share a quick story with you. It's a true story, actually. I have a friend who is a... She wanted to be a Puerto Rican artist, and she spent years...

Jennifer Norman:
I was going to say, but she was from England. Darnit. It set her back right away from Puerto Rico.

Deborah Weed:
But she made these beautiful, beautiful paintings, and she wanted to be the top in her fields. So she spent years painting these paintings that were absolutely amazing. And she wanted to have this show, and she put out all these flyers, she put out all this stuff. And when she had her show, nobody showed up, just me. And at first she was, like, totally devastated. And she looked at me and I'm like, please give me something to say, because I feel the devastation. I understand fully. And so I said to her, you know, I think you had to show God that you were serious about them.

Deborah Weed:
And so you had the best audience in the world. And for whatever reason it landed, I might have not said it quite that way. Maybe I said it, you know, with a little bit more heart. But it did land. And she went on to become one of the top artists of her field, even though at that point, not one person showed. So sometimes, and I've found this over and over again, that sometimes we get out there, especially us creatives, and we look around and we feel as if there's no audience, but there is. There is all of the guardian angels and all of your spirit guides. Everybody is there just saying, do you really want this? Is this really what you want? And then when you take that next step, miracles can happen.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, it's a bit of a test. Jay Shetty talks about that. And think like a monk. Like the first time that he actually hosted a workshop, nobody showed up. I mean, it's almost like that trial and tribulation when you're first starting to say, okay, well, how much do you really want this? And can you make the best of it? Maybe this is a learning experience in perseverance and resilience and practicing. Maybe setting everything up as she did for her exhibit, maybe that was practice for her to say, how do I want this? Nothing is ever wasted. No energy is ever wasted. And so if that happens to you, it's like, okay, can you take some photos? Is there somebody like a Deborah who comes and you can interview that person and say, oh, my God, what an amazing exhibit.

Jennifer Norman:
Get a testimonial out of it, you know that. Do something with it that. That builds you up and just continues to get you stepping stone after stepping stone up to that next rung. And then, look, she's a beautifully well recognized Puerto Rican artist. Happens to be. Or an artist who happens to be Puerto Rican.

Deborah Weed:
Right. She's one of. She's one of the tops in her field. And it was just like, to watch that is like, absolutely like what you're saying. It's magnificent. Just keep on going. Because in the end, we're really the show, aren't we? I mean, our life is a production. Yes.

Jennifer Norman:
Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Oh, my goodness, how beautiful. And you've also written another book called if Only. Can you share if Only with the audience here today?

Deborah Weed:
Yes. If Only is a fable for adults. It is absolutely, positively a fable for adults. And it's about a snowflake who's going to take her leap of faith with faith. And so as she takes her leap, she meets bird, and the bird is flying. And she's like, I want wings. Why don't I have wings? And Faith tells her why. And then as she goes down further, she lands on a tree.

Deborah Weed:
And she's like, I want root like this tree. Why don't I have roots? And faith tells her why. And as she goes through her transition of learning about love, learning about what happens when you melt, faith is kind of with her every step of the way until she has an epiphany. And it's a huge epiphany that I think all of us need, especially right now. And Anita Moorajani was one of the people who gave me a beautiful testimonial for it. I'm ever grateful for that. And I do think that it's a pretty profound, simple picture book that's fable for adults to give us hope, to give us faith.

Jennifer Norman:
Excellent. Wow. Wow. So what else do you have coming up? I know that Paisley the Musical is probably taking up quite a bit of your time, but what is on the horizon for Deborah Lead?

Deborah Weed:
Well, I think the biggest thing is definitely the musical. I mean, when I was a little girl, even When I was 16, my mother had a talent agency, so I was producing shows, you know, ever since I was really, really young. And I love. There's nothing better than sitting. Most people watch the show. I watch the people. If I can bring smiles and hope and happiness and joy, if I can have people that really go through an experience, experience and like they're touched. When I had the families with the luckiest penny just thanking me saying, but not really me because it was channeled through me.

Deborah Weed:
But thank you for sharing with my child what self worth means. Because how do you tell a six year old what self worth mean? It's near impossible unless they see a story about pennies and why they're worth what they're worth. So, yeah, I'm going for my opus. I'm going for my big over the top dream to produce a musical to the scale of Wicked while you're speaking.

Jennifer Norman:
It out into the universe. And I appreciate very much that you said that this was channeled through. I think a lot of the people who are a bit more enlightened recognize that this comes from someplace else, someplace that's really just really speaking through your experiences and bringing that through you as a vessel for that message and what a perfect message that is and what a perfect, perfect vessel it is to have it delivered through. So, Deborah, thank you so very much. Again, I'm going to put all of your information in the show notes so that everybody has it can go and take a look at your beautiful books, take a look at how they can get involved in the musical. I highly encourage it. Paisley the musical. I'm cheering it on for sure.

Jennifer Norman:
 

Jennifer Norman:
Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you so much for coming onto the Human Beauty Movement today. You are such a beautiful human.

Deborah Weed:
Oh, thank you, Jennifer. I so appreciate it.

Jennifer Norman:
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