Episode 32: Dr. Paige Yang - The Beauty of Ancient Traditional Chinese Medicine

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Hello, beautiful humans.
Welcome to role models.

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Juicy conversations with
beautiful humans.

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I'm Jennifer Norman founder of
the human Beauty movement and

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your host today.
We are going to talk about

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emotions and how our mental
health affects our physical

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health, and our appearance.
My special guest today is dr.

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Paige young.
A doctor of traditional Anal

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Chinese medicine, who
specializes in women's, health

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fertility, facial Rejuvenation,
and acupuncture, dr.

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Yang helps her patients, nurture
their emotional well-being, so

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they can look and feel their
best.

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Welcome, dr.
Yang, I'm so happy to be

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discussing this riveting topic
with you.

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Thank you.
Thank you so much and feel free

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to call me page Jennifer during
the month.

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Of course.
No problem, page.

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Thank you for offering.
Well, let's get to know you.

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Please tell us about your
backgrounds and Had developed an

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interest in TCM.
Yes.

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So I am a local Hawaii, girl and
my mother's Chinese from Hawaii.

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My father is Caucasian or what
we call Holly here in Hawaii,

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and he was born in Venezuela,
but his family made their way to

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Colorado and that's kind of
where he calls home.

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And I first got interested in
traditional Chinese medicine,

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from my grandmother, who is from
China and going up, she always

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celebrated all of the holidays
and was very true to the

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traditions and Customs she's a
calligrapher painter, author,

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ballerina, all of these
traditional forms.

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That really inspired her from
her childhood in China.

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And so going up, she took care
of me often and she would just

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teach me a lot of these things
taught me calligraphy taught me

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how to, you know, count speak
very basic Chinese and it just

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had a big impact on me.
So that was really my big

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introduction to Chinese culture
and then what led to You my

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interest in traditional Chinese
medicine.

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How amazing are you also
bilingual?

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Yes.
Oh, I'm completely proficient in

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Mandarin.
I can read write and speak and

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I'm really grateful.
I have that.

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Yeah, when I think what a gift
now traditional Chinese medicine

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is so fascinating and it covers
a wide variety of modalities.

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Can you share some of the ones
that you use in your practice?

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Yes.
So acupuncturist, the big one,

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that traditional Chinese
medicines really known for its

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how a lot of people get
introduced to them.

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Addison.
I'm also a board certified

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herbalist and I practice Gua Sha
in the clinic which is another

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modality that we might touch
upon when we talk more about

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beauty.
And I also do moxibustion, which

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is a burning of a Chinese herb
that really helps to stimulate

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the channels and meridians and
add warmth to the body.

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I do Twain on which is a form of
Chinese medicinal massage and Qi

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Gong, which is a kind of an
energy type of healing and it

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Really means like to exercise
your energy so I will apply that

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as well to the needles or to my
patients when I'm treating them

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and then of course there's
always diet lifestyle and

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nutrition.
No coaching that is included in

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people's treatments as
applicable.

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So wow there's so much now I
can't because there's so much

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it's almost like you don't know
where to begin but it's like

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what is it about?
Traditional Chinese medicine.

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That is so powerful and so
special.

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And that perhaps, you know, when
we think about Eastern Or what

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we'd consider, still
alternative, even though it's

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not quite as alternative
anymore, as it once was.

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But what is it about the
difference between the eastern

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and traditional, Chinese
medicine?

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Way of healing versus Western
medicine, traditional Chinese

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medicine has been documented for
over 5,000 years.

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However, it's been around for
much longer than that, and that

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is because over 5,000 years ago,
when the human consciousness was

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a lot more elevated, people
could communicate Lee and they

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had a much stronger sense of
communication through the spirit

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and the mind, they didn't have
the need to really document in a

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written form and then, as we
kind of descended into darker

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times and we've lost our ability
to communicate in those ways and

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our Consciousness kind of
started to dim that is when

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people realized.
Okay, we need to start writing

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this down because we are going
to forget this information.

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We don't have the same access to
that type of communication.

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We're starting to lose grip of
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So documented For 5,000 years.
It's really a medicine rooted in

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taoism which is rooted in nature
and I always say that science

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was formulated to explain nature
and therefore there's nothing

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more scientific than nature
itself.

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And so this medicine is rooted
in nature.

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It's rooted in the intelligence
of Nature.

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And that's really what makes it
so powerful because it really

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brings us back to communion with
nature.

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And, you know, there's this non
Duality between human beings and

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Each other, and a lot of times,
we also lose sight of that.

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And we think that we're separate
and we can control nature and

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were the dominant species.
And we're here to kind of like

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rule above everything else.
And so traditional Chinese

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medicine kind of says that's not
true and so it helps us to slow

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down and really tap into that
intelligence of Nature and see

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how we're so interconnected.
And then that was can then heal

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us.
And then when we look at Western

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biomedicine, they very much come
from that.

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At standpoint.
Well, it's only believe like

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around 250 years old, maybe 300
years old, so of course, there's

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that immaturity that is embedded
in the medicine but then there's

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also that idea that they can
control manipulate manufacture,

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engineer types of nature,
synthetically in a controlled

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way to replicate for studies and
to promote sales of

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pharmaceuticals.
And so anything that's going to

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be rooted in that intention, the
efficacy is always going to be

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Little bit compromised.
And of course, there is an

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amazing, amazing, amazing Leaps
and Bounds of modern medicine

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and how it can save lives and
prolong life and it's truly

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incredible, the research that's
there.

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But on a very fundamental
Foundation, that's really where

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the big difference is.
I see our between the two

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medicines.
Yeah.

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Oh my gosh, it is so profound.
This is the first time that I've

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ever heard it explained in terms
of the fact that it is more

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rooted.
In Consciousness and therefore

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in nature versus the Western
medicine, which is much more.

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As you mentioned, immature, I
was going to call it arrogance

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because who are we to say that?
You know, this is the way I find

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it.
So fascinating that the way

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that, you know, modern science
works is the double blind

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Placebo control as the be-all
end-all to determine if

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something works and then they
put people into completely

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artificial environments in many
cases which which will No serve

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a certain purpose but not
necessarily get to the facts

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that you have to be in a
specific environment in order to

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thrive and allow these things to
kind of flow out their course.

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And so, yeah, is the system
rigged, probably.

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And so that's why it's so funny
that only now, are we finding,

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well, there's something to this
plant medicine.

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There's something to this
meditation and this all, you

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know, elevated way of getting
into the mind and it's

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fascinating that we have lost
touch with the fact that we used

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to be able to communicate.
Yoon so much and being so much

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more harmony with nature and
it's so much more apparent in

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indigenous and tribal
communities than it is in the

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modern world.
We have lost touch with that.

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Absolutely.
And it's wonderful that there's,

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you know, wonderful people such
as yourself that are passing

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down through ancestry.
These wonderful gifts and

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holding onto the specialness
that is as medicine and its

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really thriving.
It's having a moment and

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hopefully it will only continue
to escalate from here.

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Yeah, I hope so as well.
Yeah.

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So As you mentioned, a lot of
people do enter in because they

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have an acre pain or something
that's going on in their body

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and they're like, well and
somebody will tell them.

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Have you seen an acupuncturist
about that?

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If all else fails, you know, if
you got something with a muscle

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or something with a joint, even
pets will go for acupuncture as

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well and so how in the world
does it work?

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It's been so many people.
So many patients, I mean, half

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of my patients are interested to
really know how it works in the

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other half for, you know, they
just Totally surrender and they

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want to be dispersed teams
knowledge of the medicine.

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So essentially, I mean, the
really cool thing is, there are

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365 main points on 12 channels
and meridians.

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And this was thousands of years.
Before the Gregorian calendar

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said there's 365 days for 10 12
months and the points are really

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a reflection of the
constellations on the cosmos.

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And a lot of them share the same
names as the Stars.

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So Chinese medicine understood
that the body was in my Cause

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them of all that is and we are
just like a conduit of the

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universe and Divinity.
So essentially illness and

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Chinese medicine is seen as
blocks of energy.

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So we talked about Chia lot
which is very hard to translate

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just and give it its full
justice.

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But in a sense, it's the energy,
the life force, the Vitality

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that runs through all of us and
so when this energy gets stuck,

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it causes illness that causes
stagnation and what a lot of

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people Oil.
And the Western world might

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understand is inflammation.
And so, the needle is

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essentially a tool that's
inserted at these specific

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points.
And these points are like,

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communication portals, and they
receive the messages different

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messages at different points.
And then they go ahead and

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disseminated throughout the
whole body and tell the body

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exactly what to do and how to do
it.

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So, the needle Taps into that
communication portal and says,

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okay, this is what to do.
This is how to do it and it

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really helps to unblock the
stagnation of energy, And she

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and blood.
And then when that happens, the

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body can return to Harmony and
function normally.

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So that is, you know, I don't
know.

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That helps people understand it
anymore, but that is really kind

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of the work of acupuncture.
Wow, it's quizzical.

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It's phenomenal, it's magical,
and it's really all that.

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And so to the point that no pun
intended.

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So the point that it gets to
these very specific places in

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the body which are in line with
everything that is within The

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Universe.
I mean it's just so profound.

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I love that and I had no idea.
That is so cool.

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Wow.
So what kind of things do people

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mostly come in for and then do
they start to like once they've

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kind of drunk the Kool-Aid, do
they then start to get more

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interested and intrigued and
want to be cure a little bit

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more, curious about a more
natural lifestyle.

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Yeah, so I'd say, overall, for
my field, most people find

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Chinese medicine and acupuncture
because they are in a lot of

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pain and either, they don't want
to be on pain.

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Station and go down that whole
path.

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That's a really, you know, a big
issue here or they just didn't

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respond to me pain medication.
And so that's what brings a lot

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of people in a door for
traditional Chinese medicine.

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For my practice specifically,
many women are coming in for

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fertility, hormonal mental
health, related issues, and then

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facial Rejuvenation.
So that's where they Peak

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interests and find me.
And then, you know, I'd say I

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have a pretty high patient.
Action rate.

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So once they're in the clinic
and I can educate them about how

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we will be working together and
what it looks like to work with

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me.
Then for the most part, they

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really commit and are compliant
to the treatment.

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I also do, you know, Hawaii the
cost of living, here is very

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high, salaries are very low, and
I had a practice in the Bay Area

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and I actually just kept my bay
area rates and move them over to

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Hawaii.
So, that's just to say that the

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patients that come in my door,
they're very committed.

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And they're very intentional.
They're not necessarily trying

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to try it out.
I think my rates are too

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expensive to just try it out.
A part of them has already

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committed to the medicine before
they find me.

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But yeah, before they book with
me, I understand I probably

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wouldn't be able to afford you,
but so interestingly enough for

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the I would say the guests that
are in Hawaii, there's always

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this notion that Hawaii does
have some essence or a actual

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magic or some sort of real
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it.
That keeps it so sacred.

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Do you find that the people
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more the ones that are
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So gosh I'm so glad you brought
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I have I always have a lot of
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say that's great as I have a
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I've to Grants for native
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and education.
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There's application.
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essay, they have to demonstrate
their connection to their

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lineage and how they give back
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of this month to new recipients
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choice and they can choose any
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any duration.
So that's a great way that I get

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to really keep in touch with
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specifically the ones in
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just feel like our great
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To our community.
And then I do, you know, I had a

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lot of the bay is, well, I don't
know how similar probably in La

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where you just kind of find the
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because there's always going to
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California that you're just

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going to find the one that's
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So I, you know, I only pulled
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to me when I was in the bay and
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Oahu, there were quite a bit of
patience from the bay that made

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their way to Hawaii.
It because of the pandemic, they

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were able to work distally and
then they started to come in and

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see me because they always knew
of me from the bay, but they

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didn't want to travel, you know,
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it brought them in.
So I do see a decent amount of

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transplants from the Bay Area
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my community is locals because,
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I'm sixth generation in Hawaii
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My mom and her dad's side and so
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the work they do for the
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support local.
So that is still majority of my

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patients.
That is so special because I

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have actually been watching a
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the colonization and about the
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It's very hard for, you know,

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the former generations to feel
that their ancestry and their

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lineage is being diluted.
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be able to keep that.
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in the culture for sure.
So thank you, thank you for

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doing that.
That's amazing.

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So then how did you get into
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Women's Health and Beauty,
frankly, what was it?

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That really kind of Drew you
over to that area of helping

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other individuals with Muslim
telling them, right?

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So when I start from my board
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exams.
I was actually five months

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pregnant and no wonder you know
more Yeah.

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So my son was born.
I think I was like licensed in

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May 2014 and then he was born in
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So really soon at right when I
had entered the fields or a

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license within the field and
start my own practice, I was a

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mother and that answered your
field and so that's right.

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And it's, you know, as you know,
it's just very mother her Hood,

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especially early motherhood is
very taxing and trying, and

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really in Once is all aspects of
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So that's kind of when I
decided, all right, I want to do

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my doctorate and then I'm going
to specialize in fertility and

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Women's Health.
And then what had happened was,

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I saw a big wave of patients
successfully and they had their

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children.
They came in to see me

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regularly.
They want to their pregnancy,

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they have their children, they
got some postpartum, and then

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they all came back and they were
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myself, how can you help me?
And that's when I really shifted

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Focus has to fish with
Jubilation because I felt like

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Okay.
How can I help these women to

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look and feel like themselves?
Like, they just didn't recognize

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who they were anymore.
Are who they were becoming or

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they like really grieve their
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So that's really when I pivoted
to Fisher.

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Would you Venetian?
And then what I saw with that

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was truly like the aging process
and what women were not liking

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about themselves.
What came underneath that was

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this big psycho-emotional
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what led to those features.
So those aspects of their faces

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that they didn't love was
actually being an experience or

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a collection of experiences that
led to, you know, a very

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pronounced crease or an
expression that they didn't

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necessarily relate to excetera.
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mental health part made its way
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Because I saw that relationship
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much it influence the Pete
woman's appearance.

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That's so fascinating.
So it's almost as if when we go

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through Life and there's these
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I guess turning points that
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birth of a child.
It could be a graduation of

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divorce and marriage, all of
these things, but it's almost

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like you're turning the page and
you do your body becomes

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somebody else.
But have you lost something or

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have you left something behind
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You're still pining for.
Tell me what that emotional work

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is like, you know, how do you
get down and dig down into the

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emotions and the mental health
with what you do.

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So, I've seen most of my really
loyal page Hands are probably in

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their 50s and 60s and they're
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second marriage.
Their children are grown and out

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of the house, and they're really
trying to find who they are

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without all of those identities
that they had previously and

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what that generation that old.
So the expectations that their

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generation had on who they were
supposed to be as women and so

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they come into the clinic and
they're a little bit lost.

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And I think over the decades
there, Spirit and part of their

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Spirits were kind of leaving
their body and given to other

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people and sacrificed and really
take in the back seat and I, you

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know, I'm a millennial.
And I feel like my generation

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really was starting to shift
this Narrative of like taking

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care of ourselves and self care
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importance of that.
So the women coming in at still

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such a new thing and they say
they feel still conflicted.

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They don't know if they're being
selfish, they don't know if they

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deserve this.
They You know, they have all of

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these conflicting messages.
So essentially I kind of act as

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a mirror and just deeply listen
to them and then I give I kind

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of just report back.
What I hear and what I hear

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their fears are or what they're
trying to reconcile with their

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lives.
And that deep listening becomes

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extremely healing for them
because for the most part, no

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one did that for them they just
didn't, you know, their kids

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wouldn't do it, either spouse
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Their parents definitely didn't
do it and a lot of them women,

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that's Are that friends for
everyone else?

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The ones that come into my
clinic so they just really

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didn't have anyone to do that
for them.

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So just the Deep listening and
reflecting back is a huge start

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of their healing journey to be
seen and heard and validated and

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then once you know each case is
going to be different.

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But once they get that and they
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then we can kind of start to
Pivot and we can what eventually

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happens.
So I really I have these 10 Pack

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series so I have people sign up
for 10 Treatments they come in

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once a week for ten visit so
over the course of the ten

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visits, what really ends up
happening is yes, they end up

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looking amazing.
But they all say to me, that

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they completely changed their
relationship with themselves and

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their aging process and the way
in which they love Pat aging and

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beauty and that to them was the
biggest rewarding part of the

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whole 10 Pack series.
It wasn't that we were able to

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do all the aesthetic things.
They wanted to achieve.

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Leave.
It was that they're able to come

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to a place where they thought
that complete ease and love and

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acceptance of themselves, and
who they were in this phase of

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their lives.
Isn't that what true happiness

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is all about?
Its true.

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And a lot of times it happens
after something.

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That's very traumatic.
I myself will know that all too

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well and you really feel that
there's just a loss of clarity.

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There are these blockages.
There are these - Halos and a

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lot of things that are just
getting in your way and causing

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you to lose sight of you.
We have yourself and so you, do

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you start looking externally
saying I should be looking like

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this or I don't, you know, I
don't feel like this anymore and

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and the aging process and the
you know, the marching of time

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does its thing and it causes
people to even not recognize

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themselves even more.
And that unfortunately, is the

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evidence that they see that they
are not themselves.

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And so the listening I
absolutely love that.

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It's like you're giving therapy
sessions at the same time that

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you're also helping them with
all these other things and being

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able to really You know, take
those moments to focus on

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themselves and to the point of
guilt.

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Yeah, a lot of people are like,
you know, I in my generation and

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I'm a Gen X or it was like the
more that you can be of service

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to other people, then you are a
good person, you know, then you

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were, you know, worthy of
Praise.

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But you know, if you focus too
much on yourself.

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If you you know, take moments of
yourself, then you're not a good

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mom or you're not a good
daughter or whatever.

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And then all of that shame and
all of that guilt does Cascade

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on to you too.
It's wonderful that you're able

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to have those kinds of
breakthroughs with your work in

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order for people to really find
themselves and find that

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satisfaction knowing that
there's always room to improve

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and there's always that journey
of Excellence that we all seek

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but not letting that.
Be a goal that prevents you from

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being satisfied and loving
yourself with how you are right

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here right now.
For sure, I that's lovely.

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That's lovely.
So I know that you mentioned Gua

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Sha and I would love to Circle
back to that because it's

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something.
Thing that I actually started

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using in my practice and it's
actually really.

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I enjoyed it really feels like
just a nice face massage and I

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actually use, I make an oil with
you might humanist Beauty brand

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which is wonderful liniment for
letting it just Glide over the

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skin.
But can you tell me about where

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this started?
And I know that a lot of people

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do use either rose quartz, or
obsidian, or Jade and what that

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has to do.
If there's any method to The

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Madness of using this wonderful
crystals in order to help guide

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energy, right?
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So you know, earlier I mentioned
artifacts dating back to the

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Stone Age, the Paleolithic Age
and really what was found were

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these Gua Sha tools and these
stones that were cut and used

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for Gua Sha and Gua Sha was
traditionally used for internal

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illness.
So in different cultures even

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like Vietnamese culture, Chinese
culture, you would actually Gua

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means to scrape and then shock
the character in shock.

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Oh, there's a character, meaning
saint, but there's a radical

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above.
It that means illness.

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So it talks about that
particular a that kind of straw

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bearing that can come up from
scraping.

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So, traditionally, it was used
to help with internal illness

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such as feeble disease, regulate
blood pressure, body aches, and

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pains warding off colds and flus
and it was applied to the body,

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primarily the back the neck,
sometimes, the shoulders, even

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the underarms to help release
those pathogens.

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And so, that's kind of where it
originated from.

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And then in the Ching dynasty,
in China, So kind of like the

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mid-1800s into the early 1900's,
there was an emperor who ruled

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and a do eger sushi and she
loves Beauty.

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You know, she was an empress so
she sat on her throne and she

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loved was installed with beauty.
So, around that time, they

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started to repurpose these Gua
Sha tools.

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Use precious stones, you know,
for royalty, upper-class delete.

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And so, in China and Chinese
culture Jade has such a

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suspicious type of pressure.
Shh Stone and the culture.

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So she would use Jade.
She would use other types of

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coveted stones.
And she then a technique kind of

454
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,300
shifted to the aesthetic, a
show, Gua Sha or what's called

455
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:46,400
me Abu Garcia, and what happened
as they had to adapt, they

456
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,900
didn't want that shot.
That particular kind of

457
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,700
strawberry rash they understood.
They had slowed down and have

458
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,000
been intentional practice.
That was much slower than had

459
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,100
more mild pressure and that
would then yield some Aesthetic

460
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:02,800
benefits.
Oh, she's been photographed with

461
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,200
facial tools.
Period pieces of like Chinese

462
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,300
sitcoms where she is, you know,
featured in them.

463
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:12,600
They'll position her with a
facial roller or a washout

464
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,300
board.
So, that's when it became really

465
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:19,000
popular in mainland, China, in
the late 1800s, early 1900s and

466
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,900
then it only really made
landfall in the US, I don't

467
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:25,700
know, 10, 15 years ago, very
recently.

468
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,800
Yeah, and that problem with that
has been, it's I'm very

469
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,300
convoluted and I think a lot of
people don't even know that it

470
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:36,500
originated from China and its
modality with in Chinese

471
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:40,600
medicine because the popularity
kind of fell into the hands of

472
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:43,800
you know, women that were not
connected to the culture of the

473
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,400
medicine and the history and
didn't know how to hand down

474
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,600
this modality.
This cultural practice.

475
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,700
So you know that's kind of where
it still is and myself and some

476
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:57,300
colleagues are trying to change
the narrative, help educate

477
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:59,300
people and to help them
understand the order.

478
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:02,600
Then routes significance and
intentions or it's not just like

479
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,000
a beauty hacker Beauty Trend,
it's really rooted in a cultural

480
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,500
practice and it was handed down
with affection within

481
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,800
households, amongst women, as a
way to take care of yourself and

482
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,900
love yourself.
So it's a much deeper practice.

483
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,900
And then, of course, you know,
the gemstone industry has

484
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:23,900
exploded and there, you know,
with any type of explosion of a

485
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:27,400
commodity, there's always going
to be conflict involved.

486
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,400
So I really personally, I have
my own facial tool line and

487
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,900
brand and I really stick to, you
know, rose quartz which is very

488
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:38,100
popular but it's also courts.
Essentially is found everywhere

489
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:39,800
around the world.
It's very abundant.

490
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,300
It's not this like deep dark
coveted, gemstone that does have

491
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:46,900
a little bit of a or maybe a lot
of bit of a conflict Trail

492
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:48,700
following it.
So but yeah.

493
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,700
So that's kind of, you know, and
then in Chinese culture, Jade

494
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:56,200
has huge and I love Jade and
Tanner and Jade.

495
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,100
I have Jade.
I have a lot of jade.

496
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,400
Yeah, yeah.
So that's another popular

497
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,900
material within Chinese medicine
that will utilize for facial

498
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:11,000
glass jaw specifically.
Yeah, can you tell me a little

499
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000
bit more about the significance
of Jade in the Chinese culture?

500
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Because people wear it with the
jewels, and all of these

501
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,200
wonderful things out of Jay.
And I have quite an arsenal of

502
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,600
Jade myself.
And a lot of times, I'll need,

503
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,900
you know, what, from a conscious
perspective or an intuitive

504
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:29,000
perspective, certain Stones
mean, and I never really know if

505
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,300
it's true.
True or not.

506
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,800
But it's always like, well, this
has that nice interesting

507
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,700
superstitious backstory, but I'm
sure that there's so much more

508
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,700
to it than that.
Yes, I mean, I can speak from

509
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:42,000
just someone within the culture.
I'm not a gemologist, of course,

510
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,500
but so Jade is the raw form of
jadeite is a living Stone which

511
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,500
means that it is Gonna Change in
color.

512
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:55,500
Once you wear Jade and the Jade
kind of chooses you it interacts

513
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,800
with your body.
So I have a bangle with that.

514
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,700
I'm wearing now and some vain
Have come out of it and because

515
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,200
it's raw, it's still living and
it's kind of interact with my

516
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,700
own body and then another the
Jade bracelet that I have one.

517
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,300
I got covid.
All these black specks started

518
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:16,100
to come out of the Jade and I
know that it was detoxing and

519
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,700
helping to purify me.
And the other thing with Raja is

520
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:22,700
it kind of captures all the
negative energy and then it

521
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:27,200
disperses it out.
So it's as a living Stone, it

522
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,400
just has a lot of, you know, all
energy.

523
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:31,100
Erotic bodies have a lot of
power.

524
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:34,900
So the Jade is no exception and
it's just something that's

525
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:37,900
always been so celebrated, with,
in Chinese culture.

526
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:41,600
It's so, she it's very strong
to, it's a very strong Stone.

527
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,200
And so that also the durability
is attractive as well.

528
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,100
Then you can handed down through
the generations and it's good

529
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,900
luck like, you know Chinese we
love anything about like luck

530
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:54,900
and Fortune and what's going to
bring you good health and a lot

531
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,100
of money and that's kind of like
the things that Chinese culture

532
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:02,100
really focuses on so Jade.
Seen as one of those stones that

533
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:05,000
will do those things for you.
That's beautiful.

534
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,900
I would love.
Since you've mentioned that

535
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:09,000
gouache.
I had originally been used all

536
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
over the body.
Are there any tips or things

537
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,900
that you still do in your
practice that other people might

538
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,000
be able to incorporate on their
own?

539
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,200
Did you wash on the body?
Because I've only known it for

540
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,100
the face, right?
So I guess yeah, I mean a couple

541
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,600
things about that so because it
is a medical modality there are

542
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,800
going to be cautions and
contraindications and Evolved

543
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,100
within that practice.
So the hard thing is unless

544
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:36,800
you're a practitioner or you
grown up in a family that knew

545
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,600
how to utilize it, it is a
little hard to instruct people

546
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,000
on the usage of it for internal
illness because of those risks.

547
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,900
So God forbid there's like a
woman who's pregnant and or has

548
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:52,100
like a blood pressure issue or a
clotting issue or an issue with

549
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:55,500
their cycle and we try to
instruct them from afar and

550
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,300
something goes wrong.
You know, that would be a fault

551
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,700
of Chinese medicine.
And so I kind of shy away from

552
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:04,000
that.
As much as of course, we want to

553
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,400
be able to give people this
information and be helpful.

554
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,400
The best thing is to really seek
out a provider who will be able

555
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,800
to apply those techniques to you
or even be able to give you more

556
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,400
Hands-On instruction.
Yeah, that is such great Hyson

557
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,300
and absolutely are, you know, I
don't know, too many people who

558
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:23,100
would want to do acupuncture on
themselves.

559
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:28,300
And so so this should be treated
in the same precious way, how

560
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:32,800
about some of the The more
commonly used herbs, I'll say

561
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,700
common in that I hope that those
of no risk and talking about

562
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,700
them.
Like if somebody has a headache

563
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:40,700
or somebody's having menstrual
cramps or if somebody's having

564
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,800
other sorts of, you know, pain
in their body, anywhere Are

565
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,400
there specific, go to herbs that
are just more commonly used

566
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:51,300
within traditional Chinese
medicine, these are really good

567
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:53,200
questions.
So the interesting thing is a

568
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,900
lot of people will say, it's so
hard to get a straight answer

569
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:02,300
from my acupuncturist or Because
this medicine, I think we often

570
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,800
even though earlier spoke about
the beauty and Stillness and

571
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,600
calm of nature.
They're also of course, is a

572
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,700
chaotic side of nature that we
often forget about.

573
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,200
And so, which is just to say
that this medicine is very

574
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,500
nuanced and it is very
complicated and what makes it so

575
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,100
wonderful.
As it's very specific to each

576
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:25,000
individual like we don't even
though this is how the West does

577
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,900
things, because it makes a good
profit where they can just throw

578
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,200
on.
Like, You know, headache

579
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,800
medication or like anti-diarrhea
medication or anti blood or you

580
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,600
know, lower blood pressure
medication because every person

581
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,900
is different.
They have their own health

582
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:43,800
history, they're identified
differently with gender age

583
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200
weight where they are in their
cycle, the best way to practice

584
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200
this medicine so that it doesn't
get diluted for future

585
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,000
Generations is to really go
patient-specific.

586
00:31:54,100 --> 00:32:00,000
And as a result the kind of the
better answer for Petitioners

587
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,200
who are really Integrity with
the medicine is that

588
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,100
unfortunately, there isn't going
to be this like one Panacea type

589
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:10,100
of herb for a certain condition
because the way in which that

590
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,000
condition arose is going to be
completely different for each

591
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,800
individual.
So that's what makes the

592
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400
medicine a little frustrating
and it keeps it more mysterious.

593
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,600
And it's just a little harder to
access because of that hurl, but

594
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,500
really to keep it intact and to
honor it, that's kind of how it

595
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,100
has to be practiced.
So that's the Hard part, you

596
00:32:30,108 --> 00:32:34,400
know, for people listening and
that want to just really

597
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,300
benefit.
And, you know, people still

598
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,900
Brands still exist without
utilize, traditional Chinese

599
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,900
herbs to then pull a profit
based on how they Market it, on

600
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,000
very generalized conditions but
that really isn't how the

601
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,300
medicine is intended to be
practiced.

602
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:53,200
I think that that just speaks
volumes about your own integrity

603
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,700
and that, you know, in being
asked a direct question, such as

604
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,700
I had done on a podcast, it's
true.

605
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:01,400
It's like that.
Makes it so beautifully

606
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,900
customized and so individual.
And so specific to what your

607
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,500
needs are versus anybody else's
needs.

608
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:11,500
And the end.
The fact that somebody else

609
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:15,700
might have gotten healing from
XYZ does not in the very least

610
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:19,800
mean that you will get healing
from XYZ because your own energy

611
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,400
or your own body and one size
does not fit all.

612
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,100
So I appreciate that guidance.
So immensely and it's probably

613
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,300
one of the first times that I've
actually heard that.

614
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,500
That.
So, thank you.

615
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,600
It is highly appreciative and it
keeps it to your point.

616
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,100
It keeps it very special and
mysterious.

617
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,900
And, but for good reason, is
because those that are

618
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,400
practicing with integrity and
you're right.

619
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,300
Within the Western culture,
everybody just wants that quick

620
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:45,900
fix.
Everybody wants to be able to go

621
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:49,000
and buy something packaged off
the shelf and there's probably

622
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,200
wonderful companies that do
their best to try to, you know,

623
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,500
do it for the masses because
they perhaps think that there

624
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,000
could be more good than harm,
but for the most part, yeah, it

625
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600
is.
Creating a bit of a watering

626
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,000
down or shall I say a lot of
watering down on what has been

627
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,500
really something that has been
very special and unique.

628
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:10,699
And I almost think of it as a
place where you get with Shaman

629
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:14,400
and certain cultures and how
they practice medicine and how

630
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,400
they practice Ceremony, this
should be treated in a very

631
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,800
similar fashion.
Mmm right, amazing.

632
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:24,400
Well, are there any other words
that you would like to offer to

633
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,600
people who might be interested
in coming to see a specialist

634
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,900
such as yourself?
If a doctor of Chinese medicine.

635
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:34,500
Yes.
I think that you know there can

636
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,300
be hurdles to finding a good
provider based on where you live

637
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,900
and what you are able to access
economically.

638
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,300
But I will say that the great
thing about this medicine is it

639
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,199
really helps you understand the
value of your health and

640
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,100
well-being and in our culture in
the US were such a concern, you

641
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:57,900
know, we love consuming things
and I never try to judge anyone

642
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,900
where certain Bring them a lot
of happiness, but I also want to

643
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:06,000
encourage those same people to
them equally or if not more

644
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,500
value their own health and
well-being.

645
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,300
And so, while initially, you
know, a lot of places, our

646
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,400
practices, do not work with
insurance because either

647
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,600
insurance will not cover it or
it's just too hard, difficult of

648
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,700
a model for an acupuncturist to
participate in.

649
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,500
And so a lot of times people see
that as a big hurdle and they're

650
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,700
like, oh can I really afford to
do this?

651
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:29,800
And when you value something you
find a way and there There are,

652
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,300
you know, the myself included.
I'll spend a lot of money on

653
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:36,600
hair or nails, or, you know,
people in Hawaii love to spend

654
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,900
money on Handbags and all of
those things, and I'm happy for

655
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,500
them.
And I'm happy, it brings them

656
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,900
Joy, but I also want them to see
what I can provide and what

657
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:50,500
other acupuncturist can provide
and put a lot of value in that

658
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:56,100
and see how regenerative it is
for them, and then be able to

659
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,300
prioritize their finances and
take a leap of faith.

660
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:02,800
Then seek someone out.
So that's kind of like the thing

661
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,900
that I see a lot of the time
because we're so used to either

662
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:09,100
co-pays or insurance or we don't
think we're supposed to be

663
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,100
paying a lot for a medicine.
That's not mainstream.

664
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:15,400
But if we can shift our
perspective and our priorities,

665
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:20,700
then you there's a huge benefit
to be had and finding a provider

666
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:22,700
within traditional Chinese
medicine.

667
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:26,100
Such wise words.
Doctor, Paige, young, I am going

668
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,800
to put your links in the show
notes.

669
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,100
I am So delighted, thank you so
much for these words of wisdom

670
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:35,100
that you shared with us today.
Thank you so much for having me

671
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:35,700
Jennifer.