Somatic & Bioenergetic Healing with Shannon Grace

Jennifer Norman:
Today, we're honored to have a truly inspiring guest, Shannon Grace. Also known as the graceful healer. Shannon's journey is one of profound transformation, moving from the corporate world into a life dedicated to healing, self discovery and emotional freedom. Her path began as a personal quest to overcome childhood trauma, but it has since become her life's calling to help others heal by first first healing herself. Shannon is a certified somatic practitioner and wellness expert, deeply trained in the powerful practices of emotional awareness, somatic release, and self care. She's worked Alongside renowned practitioner Dr. John Amaral, gaining deep insights into the profound truth that to feel is to heal. After years of emotional repression and survival mechanisms, Shannon has learned to embrace her emotions with compassion and clarity, transforming pain into power and hurt into healing.

Jennifer Norman:
In today's episode, Shannon shares her personal journey from trauma to emotional freedom, offering invaluable wisdom on the importance of inner work and self love. She'll guide us on how to process our emotions, forgive ourselves and others, and rediscover the truth of who we really are. You'll walk away from this conversation with powerful tools to support your own healing journey and unlock a deeper sense of purpose, presence, and emotional freedom. So let's dive in and explore how to begin the transformative journey of healing from within with the incredible Shannon Grace. Welcome to the show, Shannon.

Shannon Grace:
Thank you so much for that beautiful intro. Wow, that was really graceful.

Jennifer Norman:
Pun intended because you are the graceful healer and so I just needed to have an introduction that was as resonant as you are, my friend. Yeah, I love that you're coming from beautiful Malibu and you have so much experience to share with our audience. You've had your own healing journey and that healing journey began as a way to overcome childhood trauma. So how did your personal quest evolve into your calling to help others heal?

Shannon Grace:
Right, That's a great question. I feel like a lot of healers come from darkness, dark night of the soul, traumatic childhood, and that usually if you can transmute that into from pain to positivity and enlightenment, then you're on your spiritual path of why am I here? Why did I go through these things as a child? Okay, what's my purpose now with that? So instead of becoming the victim, why did that happen to me? It happened to me for a reason. And so I took that pain and I took that childhood trauma and the stuff that I've been through and alchemized it and became a healer because I can empathize with people. So when they come to me and they're like, I'm going through this, or I've been through this. I'm like, I have been there, and let me tell you how I got out of it and saw the light and what happened. And I wouldn't be the person I am today without the things that happened to me. And so, in a sense, I am grateful for those lessons because it made me who I am. And I'm very empathetic, and I'm very, very compassionate, and I just want to help people heal because I've been there and done that.

Shannon Grace:
So sometimes it's tough, and you get wrapped around, why did this happen? But then you're like, okay, no, no, don't get stuck in that victim mode. There's reasons why, and let's alchemize that and help other people. So that's where I'm at today. And I was in corporate like you, and that was not fulfilling. But throughout my career, the one thing that I was like, okay, each career, it didn't really speak to me in the way that I was feeling, like my soul was fulfilled. But I loved helping people. And so I was in tech sales. I was in recruiting, legal recruiting, medical recruiting, real estate, property management.

Shannon Grace:
Like, I've done everything. Med spa sales. And I'm like, okay, I loved helping people throughout each career, but those careers just were like, I felt drained at the end. I just wasn't happy. And so Reiki called to me in 2018, and I got attuned as a Reiki master and went through all the levels. And then I learned transcendental meditation, which rewired my brain and got me over my fear of speaking and social anxiety. And. And then it just.

Shannon Grace:
I don't know, it becomes addicting. Like, I want to learn that modality and that modality. And I'm like, that sounds cool. And I love that teacher. And so now I'm certified in sound healing breath, work meditation, pure bioenergy practitioner, and somatic energy healer Right now with Dr. John Amaral. So I have a lot of tools in my tool bel, and so I bring them all. With each client, you kind of customize what they need and talk to them.

Shannon Grace:
Just like a doctor. You sit down and what are you needing at this time? And I'll customize a healing session with sometimes all three, sometimes all five, sometimes just one, depending on what the person needs. But I just love what I do now, and I just feel like my soul is like. Like, I wore yellow today because I'm channeling my solar plexus. And. Yeah, yeah. So I just feel empowered. I just Feel like finally I'm doing what I love, finally and it this long.

Shannon Grace:
But I was supposed to go on that journey of finding who out who I was and what I wanted and what my strengths were and what's my weaknesses were. And so it's beautiful journey that I'm so glad that it took this long because I just feel so much wiser and confident.

Jennifer Norman:
Right. I feel like that is such great insight for our listeners because I too after being in corporate for a while there is this sense of just feeling so drained. And not to say that corporate is draining, but I'm just saying that like if you are in a job where you feel, feel literally drained or like this is just not worth it anymore, it's not aligning with what your sole purpose is. You should feel fulfilled, you should feel excited, you should feel good and healthy about your life. It shouldn't be like, oh, I can't wait till the weekend so that I can drink myself into oblivion like that. And believe you me, we, we have all, you know, right. We've all been there. Right.

Jennifer Norman:
So if you feel that way, then yeah, it's kind of like a wakeup call for your body to say this is not good for me, this is not healthy for my wellness, my well being. And somatically a lot of us have, you know, read the body keeps the score and let alone childhood trauma and sometimes we start reliving and we get it trapped into these life cycles that just perpetuate that trauma and gets it stored into our bodies and we'll talk about that in a moment. But yeah, it's like if you do that work, whether through Reiki or transcendental meditation or other modalities, the things that, that you can do to just release that and get all of that toxicity out of your body, you'll feel so much better, more fulfilled, more enlightened. Yeah, so let's talk about that because you do work with somatic release emotional awareness. Can you talk about what exactly that is and how it can play a key role in healing?

Shannon Grace:
Yes. And so I had no clue what somatic energy work was. Somatic release, somatic, whatever. I don't even know what that means until I studied with Dr. John Amaral because I was doing energy healing and I know what that is I'm doing there. And your aura, your biofield holds the blueprint to your illness. And so when there's dissonance in your energy field, then it reflects on your body and that's when illness pops up. But somatically, when I started studying with John.

Shannon Grace:
I'm like, what is. Okay? So the body also keeps the score. And we all have adaptation patterns. And so what he teaches, there's adaptation pattern one through seven. And we all have, like, our default ones that we fall back into, and then we have other ones throughout life. Say if you don't, you know, something traumatic happens and say your spouse cheats on you, and that those emotions, you kind of just eat it because you have kids and you can't break down and cry all the time. And you have a job to go through, too.

Shannon Grace:
And you have...

Jennifer Norman:
Are you intuiting? By the way, because this is exactly what happened to me. I was like, oh, she sees me!

Shannon Grace:
I do that sometimes. I don't even know why. It just pops in my head and I think it's spirit and I have to talk.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah.

Shannon Grace:
And so you. You're like, did you. Did you pop in my head real quick? Maybe I did. So, yes. So that's a prime example of you couldn't process those emotions because you have to hold it together for your kids, your colleagues, your. Your life. And you're just trying to not break down every day. And so that energy gets stored in your body and it doesn't go away.

Shannon Grace:
It gets stuck there. And so what can happen is it can cause chronic pain or illness, cancer, autoimmune disease, and stuff like that, but it can also skew your lens on life. And so he compares it to putting on different colored glasses. And so that time in your life when that happened and that energy is stored in your body, think about putting green glasses on. And throughout life after that, you navigate life through those green glasses, but you don't even know you're doing. You don't even have, like, a reference point. You just think like, oh, well, this next relationship, he's going to cheat on me too. And so I'm going to do this and this and this to protect myself.

Shannon Grace:
But you don't even know you're doing it. Yeah, no clue. And then they're like, why is she doing that to me? Like, I didn't cheat on her. But you're like, no, we need to do this, this, and this because you want to feel safe, but you don't even know that you're doing it. So somatic energy healing, when it liberates that stuck energy from your body at that time, it finally finds its way out and releases. And you're just like, what the heck? I can't believe, like, you have, like, you take off the green glasses and you're like, I can't believe I was living with the green glasses and I'm supposed to be viewing the world with clear glasses. I had no clue. And so you just have all these epiphanies and you release that energy.

Shannon Grace:
And it's just like it's life changing for people and. But they don't even know that they're doing it. And it can be from when they were five years old. And so they were living their life through green glasses since they were five, sometimes even Jennifer. It's in utero when you're in. Your mom is pregnant with. Because you're receiving your grandma's energy, her energy, and then your energy when you give birth. And so it's.

Shannon Grace:
Sometimes it's not. You don't even know it's handed down to you when you're in utero.

Jennifer Norman:
And epigenetic.

Shannon Grace:
Yep. It's not even yours. You're just giving these bags like these suitcases as this little baby. And they're like, here, here you go. And you're just carrying them around. You don't even know you're carrying them until you release them. And like, what? That wasn't even mine. And so this work with John has just been really eye opening for me, not only for myself, because so he created a digital platform for people to learn somatic energy healing.

Shannon Grace:
I was chosen as a small group to learn in person with him. For the past year, we've been learning with him and filming and we get worked on on the table for filming purposes. So people are going to see me and my trauma right on the table for, you know, learning purposes, which I'm okay with because people will be learning from it. But it's changed my life having that energy being liberated. I had no clue. I was even suppressing my emotions throughout childhood. I was severely beaten. And if I ever spoke up or showed emotion, it's just like you had to be quiet.

Shannon Grace:
And I was living in my room basically with my cat, my. My whole life because I was scared to come out of my room. I was traumatized and I wasn't allowed to be myself or speak up. And so I would suppress emotions because if I showed emotions, I would be severely beaten. So I did that throughout life, not even knowing I did it. And so he was like, you're chronically in AP is called AP5 and it's suppression of emotions and trying to control life by overthinking and using your left side of your brain and not your emotions. So if something happens, I'm like, I Don't have time to cry or even process the emotions. I'm just like, what do I need to do on a linear left brain side? Okay, I need to do A, B and C.

Shannon Grace:
But why sit there and feel these emotions and create cry and feel the feels? Which. That never served me before. I was in survival mode, and it was. I was in danger if I showed or felt emotion. So I shut it off. But I didn't even know I was doing it because you're in survival mode. So learning from him and having the sessions done by him, and I was like, oh, my gosh, I. I avoid feeling the feels.

Shannon Grace:
And I have so much stored in my body at this point where, like, I can barely turn my neck because I hold a lot in my neck and chronic shoulder pain. I don't have so much back pain. But for me, it's up here where I can hardly even turn my neck. And that's just. Yeah. In my active system, which is your muscles, I carried so much emotional tension in there because those emotions were never allowed to be liberated. So it would store in my muscles where you can feel. It's like rings on a tree.

Shannon Grace:
So when you palpate, he was like, oh, my God. He's like, the bigger the ring is of muscle, the longer, like, years and years and years been stored. And so when I palpate people, when I touch their body, I can feel. Oh, you depress emotions. I can just feel on their. If they have really tight, taut muscles, your active system, which is your muscles and your tendons, if you have a lot of stored energy in there, then you're not releasing emotions and you're suppressing, just like I did. And so just by palpation, just by looking at somebody's. How they carry their shoulders, if they have a hunchback, if they have very low muscle in the back, I can tell what's going on in your central nervous system.

Shannon Grace:
It's amazing what I've learned from him. So I'm not only. I know and like, no other profession as far as I know for now, doesn't do this. But you have to work on yourself as a practitioner in order to recognize the person on the table and what they need. So I have to work on my emotional system and finally feel the feels and release it and not let stuff get stored in my body because otherwise I won't recognize that person on the table with. They need emotional release because it won't be on my radar because I block it off. So he was like, you want to become a really good Practitioner, you have to work on your own stuff. And so it's forced me to look at myself in the mirror and I'm like, oh, I didn't even know I did it.

Shannon Grace:
But now that I have a reference point, I'm working on it. So if something happens, I'm like, okay, I'm going to feel the pain of that I'm going to feel. And he was like, lean into it. And so being somatically aware, because your body will tell you so, it'll give you pictures. Pain. It gives me pain sometimes, like in my heart chakra, if I think of something traumatic that happened, I'm like, oh, ow, it hurts right here. And he's like, lean into that, Put your hands on it, breathe into it. And don't try to make it go away.

Shannon Grace:
You acknowledge it because your brain is trying to disconnect from your body so it doesn't feel the emotional pain. Tries to disconnect. And it'll come up as physical pain where you're just like, oh, I just need to take a walk, or I need to take a hike and make it. Make it go away. No, it's wants to be acknowledged. So you lean into that and you're like, yeah, I feel sad right now. I feel pain in my chest. I feel abandoned.

Shannon Grace:
I feel not loved. I feel like I'm not worthy. All the emotions that you're feeling at the moment, you lean into it and say it out loud and just comfort. Yeah. And then you breathe in into that space, and emotions are released through tone and vibration. Let it out. And sometimes when I let it out like that, it'll become a full scream, like, primal. Because I was never allowed to speak or emotion or any kind of sound growing up.

Shannon Grace:
And so now it's just like the repression of it is being liberated. Sometimes I'll go into the shower and just scream in my hands, like the top of my lungs. And just over and over and over, I'm like, this is scary because I'm not used to emotion. So it's actually scares me. I'm like, no, you need to do it, Shannon. Let it out. Even if it's scary and it's primal and you feel like you're going crazy. And then I feel so much better after.

Shannon Grace:
I'm like, I didn't know this earlier, but I didn't. Didn't know until now. And so now I feel like I have this, like, calling to tell people because they don't know either. And it's like, this is life changing for people, even just that let you know, feeling, the feel, acknowledging what it feels like instead of repressing it. Because some people don't want to be vulnerable. Like, a lot of people who are very, like, see CEOs of companies and they're. They're being in the power position. They're like, why do I need to make a sound? And it's vulnerable like that.

Shannon Grace:
Like that little kid cry. They're like, why would I ever want to make that sound? They don't want to because it's never served them, or they think that it's never served them. But when you actually make the sound, even if it's like a whiny baby vulnerable and you do it, then it liberates that energy and it allows you to, like, see the world with a new lens. And so it doesn't have to be like sitting on a cliff and meditating for five hours a day. It's like little things like that. Even if you're in the car and you're frustrated and you're, like, clutching the steering wheel because of LA traffic, and you're just like, this sucks. Say it. This sucks.

Shannon Grace:
Scream. Let it out. Oh, this sucks. And just doing that, you're like, oh, my God, I feel ten times better. And you're like, okay, I'm just gonna put on a podcast and listen to Jennifer. And then you feel better, and then it's not stuck in the body.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow. So I'm so intrigued. Dr. John Amaral, he was on the Goop documentary, wasn't he? Or that series.

Shannon Grace:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
So that's where a lot of people might be familiar with him. If you've seen that, it's extraordinary. I definitely encourage people to go back and watch. That is from a few years ago. And I am intrigued because you mentioned some seven different ways that we can have things stored in the body.

Shannon Grace:
Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
Is that right? What did you call it?

Shannon Grace:
Adaptation patterns.

Jennifer Norman:
Adaptation patterns.

Shannon Grace:
Adaptation patterns. And so we all have them. So it's not. Because when people get on the table and I talk to them after, because when they're in a certain pattern, I know how to speak to them. Because if you're an AP5, you're suppressing your emotions and you're trying to control the world by overthinking and not using your emotional system. So I know how to.

Jennifer Norman:
So that sounds like a leadership what you were just talking about before. It's like, okay, I'm going to ignore it and I'm going to try to use my left brain and just, like, think my way through it. Logically like I can't be this way because nobody can see me weak or something like that. I'm just going to ignore this part of me which is sensitive, vulnerable, emotional, and I'm going to power through and be that warrior, that champion. Interesting. What are some of the other adaptation patterns? I was curious if they had anything to do with the seven chakras, but it seems like they might not be still related.

Shannon Grace:
No, they kind of relate with, with the chakra system. He doesn't talk too much about that just because when people talk about chakras it kind of takes them on a different path because he's very much a doctor. And so he wants like for you to check the body through the parameters and to see if the parameters have dropped and you go through A, B and C to see if they dropped and then you can go do something else. And so he does talk about it, but not too much, but like your life force energy field. So we have fields of energy in the body and out of the body. And the first field is life force. And that's our energy to like get up, bed in the morning and like get going. If you don't have life force, then you're dead.

Shannon Grace:
And that is correlated with your root chakra. And so that's like number one for survival. Your root chakra is safety, security, survival, so is your life force. And so if your life force is low, most likely you have dissonance in your root chakra. And, and a lot of people who are chronically depressed and they commit suicide, a lot of the times they do not have a lot of life force. And so that's where this modality, you can give somebody life force. And so there's these different fields. There's seven of them.

Shannon Grace:
There's life force, there is the emotional field. After that, lower mind, which is your analytical spreadsheets, like getting stuff done. And then your relational field, which is heart chakra, how you relate to yourself and others. There's higher mind, which is your identity and bigger picture. And then there's the soul field and then the infinite field. And those are all reflection of your body too, but they're out here as well. And so if you don't have a lot of life force in that first field and you have a lot of, say, energy in your soul field, we can grab energy from that soul field and put it into your life force. And so that will give you a boost of energy in your life force and then also give you a taste of your soul because you're like, oh, this is why I'm here.

Shannon Grace:
This is my purpose. And so just grabbing that soul energy, putting it into life force, that can be life changing for somebody just to like remember who they are again, why are they here? And then they have the energy to actually go and fulfill their purpose or find their dream job or find their dream partner. So yeah, we can take energy out of fields that have are very juicy and have a lot of energy and take that and put it into other fields that are dissonant, that don't have a lot of energy. Just like, it's so cool. And so life force. Yeah is the first one. If you don't have life force, you can't think about emotional field, you can't think about lower mind, higher mind, relational heart. And so for me, I was in constant survival mode my whole life with a very low life force.

Shannon Grace:
And so being in that constant survival, you can't think beyond. And it shows me now, like, yes, I had to shut off my emotions because all you're thinking about is surviving. Because when a saber toothed tiger is chasing you in the caveman days, you don't think about, feel sad and alone right now. No, you need to like go run and hide in a cave through your life. And so it all makes sense now. It's like, okay, if somebody has low life force, they can't think about anything else. So on the table I can feel I palpate your spine. So your life force energy is correlated with your passive system.

Shannon Grace:
So your passive system is your vertebrae, your discipline discs, your ligaments, your fascia. The fascia is the sheath that holds all of your organs and it's like a thin sheath. And so that holds a lot of tension and energy if it's dissonant in your life force field. So when you energize that for somebody, it's just like breath of fresh air. You have your correct lens on that you can see you're not in like survival mode anymore. So you're just like, oh my God, and I have an idea for like a business now or I can't believe I was with that person, partner for so long. And now I see I was in survival mode and I was accepting breadcrumbs because I felt like I wasn't worthy. But now I have the energy to leave that partner and go find somebody new.

Shannon Grace:
It's just like gives you new life. It's so fascinating.

Jennifer Norman:
So when you're talking about grabbing energy from like a soul field and placing it back into your life force energy to, into the lower Safety area, if you will. I was going to say, how do you do that? And so is that how you are essentially palpating and feeling your way around somebody's body to see where things are stored or stuck and trying to release that somatically, and then that helps to get things and pretty much pull some energy from wherever else it was and then put it back into the places which are depleted.

Shannon Grace:
Yes. And so we start out with the person on the table face down, and you palpate the active system, which is their. Their muscles and their tendons. And that tells me what they're. What's going on, and their emotional system. System. And then I'll palpate their spinal system going from the first. Well, you can't do the first vertebrae because it's tucked under, but it's C2 down to the coccyx area.

Shannon Grace:
So I always have to warn them, like, because there's sometimes depending on what pattern they're in, if they're in AP6, I'm gonna have to work in your coccyx. And so I have to.

Jennifer Norman:
And what is AP6?

Shannon Grace:
So AP6 is. It's like, if you were cheated on, and you are like, why did this happen to me? You're in. You're in victim mode.

Jennifer Norman:
Victim mode. Okay.

Shannon Grace:
Like, this happened to me. You a hole, and you caused life to fall apart. And now I have to move and I have to downsize, and my life is like, you did this to me. Or say, like, you got into a car accident and now you have chronic neck pain, and you're like, that person ruined my life. Now I'm in chronic pain, and the chiropractor doesn't help, and, why did this happen to me? You're in that mode of victimization, and so that is hell. Or if, like, you were sexually abused, and it's like, why did this happen to me? Yeah, all that energy in AP6 is held in the coccyx, and it could be C1 through C7. So all in the vertebrae, too. But, yeah, so I have to warn people.

Shannon Grace:
Okay, if you're the AP6, but I have to palpate the coccyx, the tailbone, the tip of the tailbone. Or if I'm. You're an AP6, I'm gonna have to work there. And so you palpate the passive system, and you can tell. So you go by, does it feel like a piece of cardboard where it has some give, or does it feel like a wooden spoon where it's hard, but there's some give, or is it like a steel rod. Mine was steel bar, like, there was no give. And it was like dinosaur bag. And I'm like, so he, I didn't know.

Shannon Grace:
But he was like, oh, yeah. You have very low life force and there's no give. And so you start always with the passive system. So life force, root, chakra number one. Because they can't do anything with the emotional system, you'll dysregulate them. They won't even know what's going on. You need to always start with life force. And when you palpate the vertebrae, it'll tell me, oh, you have really high passive, meaning you have very little life force.

Shannon Grace:
So if it's higher on the body, it means you don't have a lot in the field. It's like a mirror. And so that tells me where to start. And then I do neural checks on the legs. And so you take their legs and you do healed traction, which will tell me if you don't have a lot of energy in your higher mind, or, sorry, lower mind. And then heel version will tell me higher mind. And then I take your legs and I push them together for your adduction. That'll tell me AP5 or if it's really hard to pull them apart.

Shannon Grace:
And that's AP6. And so it tells me, your body tells me a map on where to start, what parameter to start. AP5, AP2. AP6. And then start on the passive. Or if their passive is. Is low, then I'll start on the active. Or if they're healed traction, then I know higher mind.

Shannon Grace:
And so. Or lower mind. So your body gives me a map where to start. It's really fascinating.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow, this is so fascinating.

Shannon Grace:
Your body just keeps the score and you can't. So even like the person, when they come in and they tell you one thing, your body will tell me the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
And when you say lower mind versus higher mind, what exactly does that mean?

Shannon Grace:
So lower mind, think about a spreadsheet, like analytical, a ticker tape, like, like a CPA who's very much like analytical and numbers. And so when you need to sit down and create a budget, that's you're going to be using your lower mind. If you're creating, if you're writing a book, you're like, okay, I need chapter one, and I need all these things, all these milestones. That's going to be your lower mind getting stuff done. Higher mind is like ideas for the future. Like, I have an idea to write a book and I want this publisher and I want to be on Oprah's podcast and lalala or her book club. And so the higher mind is thinking about the future and the bigger ideals of what you want, want the lower mind. And a lot of people don't have.

Shannon Grace:
Some people are not energized naturally because we all are naturally born with strengths and weaknesses. And so sometimes people are born like just their lower mind is not really resource. And they're going to struggle sitting down and doing stuff, doing tasks, staying on task and doing the laborious things in life like the spreadsheets and the numbers. They're going to struggle with that forever because they're just not going to be resource there. You can resource it temporarily through energy work, but it's. It's going to go back to its default mode. So, yeah, so that's how you understand people. It's really not their fault.

Shannon Grace:
Like I think of in the sense of the energy fields now I'm like, oh, they're acting like that because that field isn't energized. So I take it out of like, why are they doing them? Like, oh, I understand now. You just need that field energized. And they'd be right on. Yeah, you don't that personal anymore. Yeah.

Jennifer Norman:
And it helps you to empathize and have compassion for people and to actually forgive if there has been any kind of injury between two people to say, I get why they're like that and they're human and it's really not their fault. And I can understand that. We all need healing. We all need something to kind of work on amongst ourselves. And you can choose to be along for the ride with it, or you can also just wish them and bless them well and all of that too.

Shannon Grace:
It is your choice, it is your niece. Because most likely living, you know, we were all living through our lens of our childhood or trauma, this stuff that's happened. And so when we view the world, it's through our personal lens. And so you're like, oh, okay, I'm just not going to judge that person because they have their own childhood upbringing, their religious conditioning, their, you know, their grandparents did this and told them this. And so I take a step back now and I'm like, I don't take it personal. I'm like, they're just on their own journey and their soul's path and sometimes you do exit and you're like, I don't want anything to do with that, but I wish them well and I hope they find the healing that they need. And. But it's not going to be with me.

Shannon Grace:
And. And then you find the people who are more receptive and willing to work on themselves. And it's. Nobody's perfect, nobody is. But if they're willing to, like, work on their things, then it's like, okay, come into my field.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah. Yeah. Earlier you also talked about something intriguing, which was you can feel or sense illness in the aura, and I would love if you could speak a little bit more about that too.

Shannon Grace:
So the other modality I do is called pure bioenergy. They call it pure because you're not supposed to do any other modality mixed in with it. It's just by itself. And so your biofield, you can also call it your aura. So it's your energy field that some people can see it. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. I have to, like, really concentrate. And sometimes I can see colors.

Shannon Grace:
And so, like, my senses are being developed right now. I feel like stuff is coming online for me. But your biofield, yeah, it's really cool. It either has too much energy or not enough energy in certain parts. And so she's my friend now, but she started out as my client. She has stage four cancer and she has tumors all over her body. And so with this modality, they have protocols for each illness.

Shannon Grace:
So tumors or like reproductive issues, MS, stroke, like any kind of ailment, it has, it's specific protocol. So it's pretty easy where you learn how to do it and then you just look up what protocol and where to place your hands and what to do. And you don't really have to, you know, think too much about it. You actually, you're not supposed to think too much about it. They want you in the alpha brainwave state and they say brain and go to the beach and don't even think because you're getting in the way of the healing. And so when I was working on her, and it needs to be four days in a row, that modality, consecutive days, because you can't just blast somebody with energy. It needs to be like, like subtle. Four days in the row.

Shannon Grace:
And then it keeps doing its thing for 10 days after. So as I was laying my hands on her tumors, like, it was so fascinating because they were like talking to each other. So she felt pain on one side and then the other tumor on the other side was having pain, and then she was having pain in, like, one side of her face when I was on her back. And I was like, that's so fascinating. I feel like the tumors were all talking to each other. Going, what's going on? There's energy in our field, and it's trying to break us up, and so is talking to each other. So each time I worked on her, it was completely different. And then towards the end, like, it was less and less energy because my hands would literally be glued to her, and I felt the energy waves through my hands and that I knew where to put my hands, like, because she was like, well, the tumor's here.

Shannon Grace:
I'm like, well, my hands are kind of going towards here. And it was just like, whoa. Like, I just felt it in my body. And then at one point, when I got to her heart chakra, I literally got nauseous. I was like, oh, I'm going to throw up. But I was like, okay, breathe. You're not going to throw up. You're going to be fine.

Shannon Grace:
And at the end, I was like, oh. I was like, that one was intense. I feel like I was going to throw up. She's like, me, too. Felt nauseous, and I thought I was going crazy. So we were both feeling. Or I don't know if I was feeling her or we were both feeling this tumor, but we were both too captain and both got nauseous. And so I was like, okay, wait 10 days.

Shannon Grace:
I'll check up on you. When are you getting your blood drawn for numbers? And she was like, oh, in the next couple of weeks. And so her numbers were going up. When I met her, I worked on her those four days in a row, which is one session, and then her numbers went down, and I was like, oh, okay, let's wait for your numbers again before we do anything else, because I just. I just want to make sure, like, if she keeps going down, there would be no reason to do any more work on her. So we're gonna see. She's on vacation right now. She's gonna come back, and we're gonna do some more sessions.

Shannon Grace:
But that is a very powerful. I compare pure bioenergy to energetic surgery because I had another client who fell. She smashed her shoulder. I golf with her, and she's like, shannon, I don't think I'm ever going to be a golf again. She's like, I can't even, like, undo my bra. Like, I can't even use my arm. And I've had surgery. Yeah.

Shannon Grace:
And she's older, and so I was like, hey, let me. It's your birthday. Let me give you a birthday present. I'll give you pure bioenergy. And so I went to her four days in a row. And then lo and behold, she's like, oh my God, I'm able to golf again just from those four sessions. And like, God, this modality is so powerful. It's just like, why doesn't everybody know about it? So that's why I try to do these podcasts for somatic energy healing and Reiki too.

Shannon Grace:
Like, that's been life for people too. And that's its own beautiful, gentle modality or stress. People sleep so well, they have new ideas come up, new epiphanies. And then also people have told me on the table, like, memories have come up from a long time ago. This one client, he goes, oh my God, I had this memory from when I was five, but I was able to process it at my, my 45 year old brain. And then now it's released. And so even Reiki, in its own beauty, like was able to somatically release something from his body. And so.

Shannon Grace:
And then sound healing, that as well, like sound and frequency, it can vibrate your cells and let go of illness and stuck energy as well. And so all these different modalities, they all do just something different. But it's all for health and wellness and to liberate your mind and body and soul. So I just.

Jennifer Norman:
How do you know when you come up to a new client if somebody's like, I need or I feel that, like, how do you know what to do? Like, which one to start with, how to proceed, to give them a menu or just a specific modality? Right, what's that like?

Shannon Grace:
Yeah, so when they tell me, okay, we sit down, like, why are you here? And so if they are, you know, whatever is going on in their situation, I'll know which modality to give them. And so when Amy came to me and she's stage four cancer, yes, I can do somatic energy healing on her, but my intuition is like, no, she needs energetic surgery right now. Like, she's in dire, like, she's stage four. We don't know when her last day is. I'm like, pure bioenergy and let's attack those tumors. If somebody who's like, I can't get over I was broken up with or my divorce and I just, you know, I can't move on and I don't feel good about myself and I'm not. But meeting somebody right now because I just don't feel good and I don't feel worthy, then like, somatic energy healing. Let's do somatic energy healing.

Shannon Grace:
And then also probably Reiki and sound healing as well. Guided meditation to help with the mind and body. So, yeah, I just. I know. I don't know. It's just like a doctor, when they come and tell you and you're like, I have a mole I need removed, you're like, oh, go to a dermatologist. Like, you know, like what they're needing, what modality.

Jennifer Norman:
And I appreciate that you said before, like, if your numbers are continuing to go down, then there's no need for me to continue working on you. Whereas a doctor would be like, okay, let's keep going, let's keep coming back. I want to continue billing you for these things.

Shannon Grace:
I say that to my clients. I'm like, I don't want you to become dependent on me because I can become a band aid for them because they won't. I give them tools. And I have a client right now. I'm like, no more than once a week, But I'm going to give you tools to work on stuff when you're not with me. But I don't want you to become dependent on me because they can just depend on you. Like, oh, I want, like, the next fix from Shannon. Because getting energy work, sometimes it can be very intense and emotional, but other times you're like, you feel like you're floating, walking out, and you feel so good.

Shannon Grace:
And. But if you don't do the work when you're not with me, then it's just going to go back to the same pattern. So I just, I don't want people. That doesn't make me feel good. I don't want to be your band aid. I don't want you to become dependent on me. So I just ethical within my own heart. And I want people to grow and feel good and evolve.

Shannon Grace:
Like, the healer doesn't heal. And so if you ever go to a healer and they're like, oh, I healed you. No, you didn't. I just provided. Yes, and I provided hold. I held space from you and the platform, but I gave you the energy. But it's up to you what you do with it. And so if you're open to healing, because some people aren't.

Shannon Grace:
And they'll come to you saying, I want to be healed, but they inside, they don't because their illness is their identity. So without their illness, they're like, but I get the love and the attention and people dote on me and my kids come around without that, who am I? And so they don't want to be healed. So when I learned pure bio energy, they told us, like, not everybody can be healed. They don't want to. So you have to come to terms with. You can't heal everybody. Everybody. You can't help everybody.

Shannon Grace:
So you have to keep that in mind as well.

Jennifer Norman:
And listeners, that is the sign of an authentic quote unquote healer is that they know and they will admit that they are not healing you. You are healing you. They're holding space and they're creating an atmosphere and environment and energy and a perception of what needs to be focused on. But you yourself are the only one that can heal you. So thank you, Shannon, and I appreciate that's so much that you just brought that out on unto yourself. It's not like I had to introduce that tidbit there, which is super, super important, very, very special, I guess. Lastly, I would love to hear, like, what do you believe is the most important practice or mindset shift that can lead to lasting healing or transformation?

Shannon Grace:
Oh, let's see, you have to have the need or the want to continually to evolve and grow. And it's very individual, I guess, and in what their wants and needs are in this lifetime. And so I think just making it simple and breaking it down for people not making it so hard, like you have to come to me and pay thousands of dollars to get healing. No, there's little things that you can do on your own. They're very simple and can help you throughout life. And so I think having that path of it not being so complicated, that'll keep you on the path to like, no, I can, can. I can do this myself. I don't have to go to somebody like John Amaral or Shannon.

Shannon Grace:
By releasing energy, by tone and vibration, leaning into the pain and admitting it hurts. And I feel unworthy right now and unlovable. And I'm going to let out this sigh that sounds like a little kid crying, but you know, I'll go to my room and do it or do it in a pillow and helping yourself process emotions and then going to people like me every once in a while, but not becoming, becoming dependent on people like me. It's like a psychic. I was getting like, I need a reading all the time. And I'm like, I stopped myself. I'm like, I need to listen to my own intuition and not because we have free will anyway. And so a lot of the stuff that they would tell me never even happened because I had free will to change it.

Shannon Grace:
And so just making it simple for people. So when they come to my table and I work on them and I try to give them tools to help themselves in Their everyday. I try to make it very simple where it's not complicated and they don't have to like, oh my God. Okay, let me write this down. And what do I have to do? No, just do this and then I'll see you next week and tell me how it went. And so just making it less scary and less esoteric and less like, woo, woo. And it's like, no, these are practical things that you can do to change your life. So I think that that helps people.

Jennifer Norman:
Amazing. Amazing. Where can people find out more about you, Shannon?

Shannon Grace:
So I have a website called TheGracefulHealer.com and then I have my Instagram, which is The_Graceful_Healer, but there's Underscores: The underscore Graceful underscore Healer. And yeah, those two ways I'm pretty active on Instagram and probably that's about it. So they can find me that way. And then I have a private practice in Woodland Hills, California. And I can also come to you if you're in a probably 20 mile radius of Malibu.

Jennifer Norman:
Amazing. Amazing. Oh, beautiful humans. This is Shannon Grace. Her website is TheGracefulHealer.com, Instagram The underscore Graceful underscore Healer.

Jennifer Norman:
Definitely look her up. I think that we learned so much today. Oh my gosh, this was such an amazing conversation. Thank you so much. I, I'm so, I feel so enlightened like a lot of these things and I've been in this space and I've done hundreds of podcasts now, but this is the first time I've really gone deep into the understanding of the, you know, bioenergetics and the different ways of education, adaptive processing. So thank you so much for all of the wisdom and knowledge that you've gleaned and sharing it with so many on these podcasts like my own. And yeah, I do hope that I can have you on again sometime and we can talk about so many more things.

Shannon Grace:
I would love that. Thank you so much for having me on, Jennifer. And that's what I want, is to teach people. And so I'm so glad that you said that and you learned a bunch because that's what I want people to know, like have tools and walk away from this podcast. Like, oh, I have tools now. Like, oh, just is my life's purpose. It's just hit on it. So thank you.

Jennifer Norman:
Yeah, I'm like, sign me up. I want to do this.

Shannon Grace:
Where to find me.

Jennifer Norman:
Okay, well, thank you so much for your time today on being on The Human Beauty Movement podcast. You are a beautiful human.

Shannon Grace:
Thank you so are you? Thank you so much.

Jennifer Norman:
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