Episode 42: John David Latta - The Power of Dreams and Kundalini Energy

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Hello, beautiful humans.
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My guest today is John, David

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Lada.
John is an author teacher.

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ER and successful founder and
CEO of a multimillion-dollar

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consumer Products Company.
He recently wrote a book called

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The synchronicity of Love, which
reveals the radical

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transformation.
He underwent, when he discovered

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Unconditional Love Today, John
coaches, others on leadership,

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healing transformation and
waking up to expand The Human

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Experience.
Welcome John.

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Thank you Jennifer.
Thank you for the intro.

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I'm super happy to be here.
I'm delighted to have you here.

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So now, I am so eager to learn
about Your story.

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How did you begin your
transformational journey?

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Well like a lot of people I
began with pain and suffering

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seems to be the entry away to a
lot of transformation for a lot

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of people approximately 20 years
ago, went through a let a

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relatively Charmed Life up to
that point.

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And my wife got cancer ended up
having her thyroid gland

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removed.
Had to take a synthetic thyroid

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hormone for the rest of her life
just to survive.

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She went through a dramatic
transformation or so in the

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middle of it all I made the
Glorious choice in leaving my

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very secure sort of corporate
job and starting my own company.

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Probably lost all of our money
and was in debt, six hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars 250,000
and personal credit card, debt

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alone.
And then in the middle of it,

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all my wife and I got divorced,
we're facing bankruptcy and

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weirdly.
At the same time I have this

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unbelievable fear of death
coming over me.

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Do that stage in my life.
I had zero interest in

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spirituality or religion and so,
I wouldn't even know who to turn

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to with this fear and I didn't
even know who to ask the.

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So I ran around.
And closed doors, this formal

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fear of death and so in a
relatively short period of time,

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I went from Charmed Life, too
bad, husband, bad father, bad

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businessman.
And a man running around behind

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closed doors in terrible, fear
of death and ended up.

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Like I said, probably hanging on
by the skin of my teeth for two

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or three years with.
Custody, my two kids were 9/11

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and every day was unbelievable,
painful Challenge.

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And so, I broke down and went to
my first ever spiritual Retreat,

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and I was a really hard thing to
stomach.

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It's sort of like being a Nazi
skinhead and deciding you love

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all people.
I mean that the shock, I mean I

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was just terrifying to me but I
was looking for a lifeline and

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Michael Crichton the author who
I loved and got to meet and got

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to know some of this Inner
Circle.

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He wrote a book called travels a
nonfiction autobiography book.

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Interesting written in the same
format than mine is just a

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series of short true stories and
and he had gone to the sir treat

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in the desert with a teacher by
the name of dr.

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William Brew Joy, he went by his
middle name and Highly

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intelligent medical man, who
became a spiritual teacher.

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And so I went and I remember
signing up for it going.

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Well, I'm six hundred fifty
thousand dollars in debt.

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Another couple thousand won't
matter if I end up going under.

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So I went and I didn't have a
lot of spiritual experiences,

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but the very opening for me was
discovering.

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I didn't realize how much I kept
people at a distance and it was

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the first time I think I've ever
experienced true intimacy with

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other people and I loved it and
I craved it and it came back.

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Life is still difficult.
My company is hanging.

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By a thread I used juggling
finances left and right, trying

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to be both mom and dad to my two
kids and very slowly.

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Over time, I had started as a
consequence of that Workshop,

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practice of parts and word
meditation and I was bitterly

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regular with that.
And then about a year after that

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Retreat group, put up a dream
form online and I joined started

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sharing dreams which prior to
that I'd never have any dreams.

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And I couldn't understand the
language of Dreams.

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People would post dreams unlike,
how the heck did you come up

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with that?
Kind of Ocean.

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And so that took a while to, it
took me about a year.

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I would say, even to this day,
I'm learning the language of

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dreams and everything in my life
started to change after that.

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Everything.
Wow.

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So you had gone through a whole
lot of getting down into the

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ashes.
And so how was it being a CEO

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and being in this place where
some people would consider?

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It rock bottom and then all of a
sudden going through this

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spiritual transformation and
then trying to run a company as

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you did.
Yeah, that was amazing and the

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cell elf and sometimes almost
feel streel going to work.

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So a couple things, you know,
when you're in something, you

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can't see it.
It's only in retrospect.

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You can look at and go oh my
God, that's the process.

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I was a boy that was actually
really important.

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And at the same time, I was
going through the spiritual

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transformation.
I had started therapy and group

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therapy in the blink of an eye.
I was in a group that most of

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the time, we're all women, and
two women therapists.

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And so like, we talked about a
little bit before the show

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began, it was sort of like my
initiation or baptism into all

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things feminine and And Brew the
spiritual teacher was

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encouraging and he goes.
It's not like you're going to

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lose your highly-developed
masculine.

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They'll augment each other
doesn't like, you have to trade

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one for the other, and that gave
me a lot of peace.

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And so, oh my God, sitting there
in therapy and having to open up

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and be vulnerable.
And be honest with entik, it was

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terrifying.
But as a consequence, I found as

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a CEO, I was much more willing
to engage people and employees

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sales people everybody and a
deeper more authentic level.

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And it was beautiful.
It wasn't All service and wasn't

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all wearing masks anymore.
And so I think, as a

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consequence, I became a more, a
better listener, more

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compassionate more understanding
more curious about the depth in

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other people and other employees
and people like dealt with.

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There was definitely a lot more
patience, which I probably

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wasn't high on my scale.
Things I was good at when I was

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younger and again, we talked a
little bit about it before the

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show when the Kundalini energy
came on boy that was a trip and

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I think again, it was one of the
most blessed times in my But it

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was also a heroin terrifying at
times.

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I was just the most, the
greatest fear was I was going to

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be, you know, I wasn't doing
drugs at any time there is going

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to have some kind of a bad trip
and be weird and not be able to

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run my company and be father to
my two kids.

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Not be a responsible human
being.

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And again, now looking back I
can see I was definitely able to

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do both but I didn't think I was
going to at the time now.

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I think that that is worth
taking pause and mentioning

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again here you are.
I would say a cisgender white

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male CEO.
This Stereotypical dominant male

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within our society, afraid that
you were not going to be able to

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lead.
If you adopted some feminine

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traits only to only to find that
it actually probably made you

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more of a whole person.
Yeah you nailed it.

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That's exactly right.
It doesn't sound very sexy but

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wholeness is amazing.
And most of the time I'm

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generalizing probably don't
realize how one-sided we can be.

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Specially some of us are rigid.
Rational males.

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We don't know.
We're missing.

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And sometimes I like to say you
don't What you don't know and

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I'll share a story for my book
early on.

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In my journey, the gals to my
group therapy group or getting

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on me about being John, you
need, you're so good at doing a

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need to try being, I'm like,
what the hell is being, you

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know, I can't even conceptualize
it.

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Well, so I'm I've been in
management since I was 18 and so

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I'm really good at Chop Chop,
getting things done staying on

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step schedule and I'm taking my
kids in bed took my daughter and

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go or trying to talk my son and
he's babbling away about his

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tail excitedly.
I want to be quiet so I can turn

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off the light and Tuck him in
and go to sleep because I have

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things to do.
Do, and I thought, maybe I'll

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try you with these ladies, keep
telling me.

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So I thought, maybe I'll just
sit on the edge of bed, just

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listen, just listen.
And I don't know, maybe 30

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seconds ago by and Jennifer
suddenly him overwhelmed.

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With this feeling of love that.
I've never felt in my life, like

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this unbelievable feeling.
And suddenly I love my son's,

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excited babbling, and I'll never
forget it.

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I remember going getting in bed
later going, well, maybe these

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women have something to show me.
Teach me like, I was a lot more

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humble when I went back to my
group after that, like now what?

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Been missing my whole life.
Yeah, sometimes we think that

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being busy is living but it
truly isn't.

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It's almost an excuse or a
surrogate or living and the real

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living happens when we get quiet
and sometimes when we do nothing

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and we do more listening than
doing being a human being, not a

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human doing that is beautiful.
Now you mentioned Kundalini,

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energy.
And I know some of our listeners

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are probably not familiar with
Kundalini.

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Can you explain that to us by
Cam and so Kundalini comes from

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Um, I think more of the Sanskrit
I'm going to Loosely call it

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Hindu tradition that India but
supposedly every single human

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being has, what looks like a
tiny worm.

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They call it a little serpent.
That's about 3 inches long and

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it lifts kind of in your
perineum area.

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And when the person is ready,
this little worm, this energy

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goes up through the chakras, it
follows the central channel, the

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spine, going from the root in
the perineum area, all the way

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up to the crown and it's
purifying and cleansing

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everything, and everybody's
process is different.

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Sometimes Feel a lot of energy,
sometimes a little.

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Sometimes there's tremendous
Visionary experiences, sometimes

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not much at all.
But the process can be both

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beautiful, like, amazing
experiences happen and painful

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to, because there's sort of this
cleansing and purifying of all

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the stuff you may have
encountered in this lifetime and

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maybe even pass left times.
But all Traditions talk about

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this.
Literally alternations talk

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about it.
Yeah.

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I think, in Christians, they
called the movement of the Holy

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Spirit.
I think they all argue with each

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other, but if you step back from
our, do you see Every tradition

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talks about there can be a time
in a person's life when they go

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through a tremendous amount of
energy and transformation and it

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feels like purification or
cleansing or something like

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that.
Now again traditionally could

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bellini is thought of as Sexual
Energy, feminine energy, Earth

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Energy, it's very powerful, it's
really amazing and mine was over

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the top, like some of the
stories in my book just kind of

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crack me up looking back.
Like my instant experience was I

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had goddesses Galore.
In my dreams, I had sounds

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funny, sex with every goddess
imaginable.

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In my dreams, it was like in my
dreams were full of women.

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I remember them telling me,
we're going to teach you

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everything and everything was
going to be completely different

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from everything I've learned
before.

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I had countless dreams of giant
serpents.

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Giant Cobra is some thank God, I
wasn't afraid of snakes because

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they would have been really
terrifying and the Energy felt

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Blissful an orgasmic.
It sometimes felt like I was

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being shocked by heart paddles,
like, I would wake up, just

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sweating and It was Grand and
dramatic and over the top.

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And my theory about it is
because I had so kept this

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feminine energy away from me.
That it came crashing through in

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a big way and I think other
people that might be more

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balanced to begin with might not
have quite as intense and

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experiences I had because I've
heard other people say,

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Kundalini at the end is just
balancing energy.

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If you're out of balance, here
comes the other half for the

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other side, boy, that pendulum
seems to have swung for you, but

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I don't lie.
So, what was the process that

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got you into Kundalini energy
where they're breathing

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techniques was their assistance,
from plant medicine, tell us all

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that, you can run of that.
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have what they call spontaneous
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meditation and I have reflected
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that have been doing Kundalini
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that energy for decades and not
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coming in in a big way because
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to me and I was out of balance
but there were no practices

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other than heart-centered
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just call Shadow work and I
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that had started the process,
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the time.
Very wanted to heal a lot of

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things in myself.
Very willing to see, you know,

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you've heard the saying triggers
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sometimes if you spot it you got
it and I was very willing to

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look myself in the mirror and
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Yeah, that too.
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of on my own sort of a purifying
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on my own and then, the energy
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But to be really bluntly honest
with you, I don't know, I don't

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know, sometimes.
I think there's just something.

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I'm just going to Loosely call
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It was just fine.
That's why, you know, I love

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books like Michael singers book,
The Surrender experiment.

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And if you read that and you
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nowhere and so I don't know
audio shanties.

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Our popular spiritual teacher
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interesting books about
Enlightenment and he just says

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it is normal for a lot of people
to go through a period of time

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where they just have encounters
with energy.

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experiences and then they tend
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And and that was my experience.
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Hmm.
And a lot of people who have

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gone through trauma and are open
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enough and they've released the
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nothing that they can lose your
like what's a couple thousand

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dollars.
More, you know, you were really

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receptive and open to anything
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in order to provide any kind of
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sometimes that level of
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Co-operative incidents that, you
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spiritual awakening.
And so yeah, sometimes it is

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only.
When you look back that you do

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realize and recognize.
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That must have been the trigger.
The trigger.

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I agree with you and I think he
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Sometimes you, practice,
practice, practice, practice is

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still.
Still in a way, not all the

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time, most of my time doing yes,
but serve that surrendered.

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Humbleness, you know, where
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own stuff, your own shadows and
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way can open on awful lot of

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doors as well.
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is just through surrender and
allowing yeah, for a lot of my

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life, I lived in masculine
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was the way to be independent,
have a burgeoning career get

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ahead.
I got the MBA and my life.

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It was filled with actioning but

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not really a lot of sole
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way of a transformation and it

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was only until I did surrender
and I said, you know what, I'm

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just going to let what be happen
and that's when the divine

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feminine started working.
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opening and more Cooperative
incidences started to come and

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be exposed into my being.
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is what's going on in life.
You see life, with completely

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fresh eyes.
As if he were a newborn, I

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totally hear you.
That's been my journey as well,

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right?
So now when you were going

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through your dreams and your
mystical and counters, you also

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were in a bit of pain, you had
some neck pain and back pain.

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And this actually seems to have
helped you get rid of some

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chronic pains.
Can you talk about that?

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Yeah, I'll show two stories
where that happened.

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There's a number of stories like
that were.

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Sometimes I'm just like God.
I, it makes me wonder if healing

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is just way easier than we make
it and So the first one I had

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been rear-ended in a car crash
and 46 years had chronic neck

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pain and I was very athletic and
I was like, I can't believe I

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have to live with this for the
rest of my life.

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And man, I tried everything, I
try to stand up desk, I tried

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sitting on bouncy balls at work,
I tried getting up and moving.

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I tried all the neck and
stretching exercises I could I

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tried acupuncture chiropractic
massage and even went so far as

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to get facet joint injections of
cortisone in my neck and nothing

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worked.
It would work for a few days and

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then we'll be right.
Back again.

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So remember I told you I had
started that dream form, right?

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And one day, I come home from
work half hour before my kids,

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get off the school bus and I lay
in bed and I mean, Tears, like,

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I can't believe I'm going to
live this way to rest of my

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life.
And, as I fall, I go to take a

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little nap and I as I fall
asleep, I'm saying why the

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excuse my French, why the fuck
does my neck hurts so bad?

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This dream comes through like
boom an answer but the dream is

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a monk with shaved head and a
red robe, pacing back and forth

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outside my house and up I'm
like, I don't have any idea how

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that has anything to do with my
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So I got in the dream forum and
I worked with some others and

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Brew himself, got on.
There, he goes that during has

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everything to do with why your
neck hurts.

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I'm like, I don't get it.
I don't get it.

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Helped me.
And so long story short.

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Again, you know, this is part of
the beauty of dream work because

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we have many you might say parts
of self.

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He said John, you have a very
spiritual sight among side.

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I selfless service side and your
complete denial of it.

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Try to just open up again come
to this sort of acceptance open.

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At the idea that maybe you're
actually a very spiritual

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person.
And you might say, allow him

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into your house because right
now, you got them locked out and

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he's just waiting, but he
doesn't want to come in.

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So I like, okay, I guess a few
months goes by another dream.

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This time.
Bruised coming towards me with

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his hands Hands On Healing.
He's going to heal the pain in

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my neck and so you reach his
right neck.

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I'm like, oh my God, thank God
somebody's going to heal me.

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Finally I in my dream I see an
angry old man lives to my neck

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and he looks up and says get the
fuck away and so Again, it took

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time sometimes dreams take time,
but I started to realize, like a

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lot of people, I carry
resistance in my neck, and you

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might call it resistance to
change and boy, when you're

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really an undated with a lot of
feminine stuff, there's a lot

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of, there's a lot of new things
coming at you and the part of

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the masculine part that likes to
be controlled.

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And in order, you know, he was
just overwhelmed with everything

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that was going on.
So again, I started like going.

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Wow.
So I carry a resistance in my

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neck.
I have an angry old man of my

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now.
He's LED lighting anything in

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and I started opening and
opening and Relax and then came

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the culminating dream, two years
later where I have a golden

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Thumbtack in my hand.
I'm sitting in my office and I

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reached us push it into the wall
behind me.

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And I look back and I push it
right into the heart of this

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beautiful Tibetan monk, who's
just looking at me with such

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love and I punctured his heart
with it and they realized my

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neck didn't hurt anymore.
And to this day I just have to

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be conscious that once in a
while.

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I can feel stressed building in
my neck and I just have to

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consciously allow it to go and
just Acts.

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So all that chronic neck pain
was gone and I'll share one more

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story.
Again.

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One of the things I learned in
this journey is how much all of

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us myself, especially get sort
of entrenched and habits.

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And the idea is to break out of
the habits and start to open

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your eyes.
Your mind to new ways of seeing

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and being.
So I used to own a company and

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used to fly probably 20 to 25
times a year and typically and

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apply across the country for a
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Then fly all the way back.
So this time I was flying from

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Seattle to Jacksonville Florida.
In in Dallas and the night

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before I threw my back out.
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I know how this is gonna go, you
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on an airplane seat for, you
know, all day and then a

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30-minute meeting and then all
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The next day, I want to be able
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And as I get up in the morning,
hoping for a miracle note, my

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back still hurts is terrible.
I can barely get in and out of

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my car.
So, I'm standing in line to

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security.
I'm just a few people away from

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the TSA agent grumbling and just
stealing myself or how difficult

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this is going to be all of a
sudden, there's a voice singing.

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The song, Don't Worry, Be Happy
in my head and in the suddenly,

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I had this like this and I could
feel that the song was being

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aimed at my lower back, and I
knew that vibration is sound,

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could be healing.
And I just knew there was like,

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this intuition, like stop
bitching about how it's going to

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be and I story started humming
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I started humming.
The course to don't worry be

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happy and the nice thing about
airports and airplanes is there

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so much noise that know what
ambient noise, nobody can hear

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you, right?
So I hummed all the way to

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Dallas.
I hummed all the way to

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Jacksonville it.
It was the strangest experience

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in my life.
I sat in the window seat, all

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four of those flights.
I have an impossibly large

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person in the middle seat, every
single time, every single time,

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the voice in my head would say,
oh my God, now you're going to

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have to sit crooked.
Your back is really going to

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hurt, but I just kept humming
the song and trying, imagining

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that Happy tune being aimed at
my lower back on a scale of 1 to

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10.
If I started as a six and was

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sure I was going to be a nine at
the end of the trip and went

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from a 6 to 1 and so that's
another it's a crazy thing but

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you know everybody Hurts
themselves but you Can encourage

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healing in the body by thinking,
happy thoughts thinking,

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positive thoughts, humming happy
tones in a server thinking this

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is terrible.
It's going to take so long to

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heal and so a whole lot of
stories in my book are just like

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that.
Where I had this experience, I

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learned a lot from might have
been able to carry it forward

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and you're so right.
I remember hearing stories about

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the difference, and some people
would call it the placebo

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effect, but if there is
something that can cause your

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mindset and your vibration, your
vibration should be elevated.

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And your Mindset to be in a more
positive Channel, then you will

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have a greater opportunity for
healing and for success.

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And for good things to come your
way versus otherwise.

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And so, you know, I think that
our own as attitude is our

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biggest Placebo.
If we can only tap into that

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more often, totally agree with
you.

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And I know that myself pretty
even.

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Now I sometimes forget it's
just, I'm aware that my own

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brain, seems wired for
predictability and habits.

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And I remember 20 years ago, my
Erica saying John, I have

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clients.
I can point across that little

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bridge and say yes, the grass
really is greener over there.

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But they won't go over there
because their discomfort in

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their pain, is the known, and
they're more comfortable with,

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they know, even if the other
side will probably be better.

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There's more fear of uncertainty
in the unknown.

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And so, it's sort of, you know,
they tell you sometimes, you

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don't have to listen, both
thoughts that come up in your

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head and because I think a lot
of times the thoughts that

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bubble up, or just habitual and
designed, To recreate scenarios

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over and over again, even if
they're painful.

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Absolutely, I would love to dive
more into how you got into

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analyzing your dreams and a lot
of people are those, you know,

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similar to me, actually, I wake
up and I forget that I've even

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dreamed.
I forget that I've had Visions

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unless they are extremely Vivid.
How can you people cultivate

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their dreams and Visions?
Yeah, that's a great question

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and I encourage it for
everybody, grab a pen or a

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notebook, or a recording device,
put it next to your bed.

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And when you go to bed at night,
You're starting to fall asleep,

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you start to feel like you're
drifting off little bit.

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Try and imagine in your mind's
eye that you've walked up to the

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edge of a cliff, and you've
removed all your clothes.

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Completely naked.
Turn your back to the abyss.

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And just as you're starting to
Drift Off to Sleep, ask for

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dream, and fall off backwards
and total trust, and it might

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not happen the first night or
the second or the third, but if

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you go in intentionally and say,
I want to remember my dreams and

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just do this process, might take
anywhere from a day to a week,

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they're going to come and
they'll come to the degree that

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you want them to come.
There was a period of time.

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I had to say no more dreams
because they were overwhelming

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and just write it down and if
they seem like a foreign

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language to you just keep
writing them down.

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There's lots of good dream books
out there.

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I like all of Robert Moss has
Book Sales, great stuff about

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dreams, but you're in part going
to have to learn the language of

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Dreams yourself dreams can have
a very personal meaning, they

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can have kind of a collective or
tribal.

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Meaning they can have a
universal meeting and it can be

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really difficult but if you
understand They're speaking to

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primarily through symbols, then
the dream starts to make steps.

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And I would say, most people,
most of the time dreams are,

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what I would just Loosely.
Call a psychological nature.

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Sometimes it's just your mind.
Trying to make sense of stress.

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You encounter during the day,
sometimes dreams are healing.

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It's trying to resolve a release
something that has happened in

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your life.
But if you allow that process to

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take place, the beautiful part
is, then dreams can take on a

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whole new level.
Where with feels like you're

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communicating with guides or
Angels or No, higher self,

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00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,800
wisdom, ascended, masters, the
whole realm of what I would call

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Revelation starts to come in and
not all the time and those are

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the beautiful dreams.
Judith orloff wrote a great book

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called Second Sight that I
highly recommend about that and

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she talks about the different
kinds of dreams and so just keep

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going with the process and even
if you keep writing them down,

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if nothing else.
It's great fodder for Creative

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material.
If you want to write fiction

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00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,200
books, it's amazing.
What can come through dreams but

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you can see sometimes the same
thing happening Time After Time

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After Time.
And then it shifts.

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There's like a dramatic shift in
almost inevitably.

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When that shift takes placed
some dramatic shift is going to

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take place in their outer life
as well.

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And so um used to stay the
beauty of paying attention to

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dreams.
Is you start to live less by

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00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,100
fate and accident because you
actually start to see it's

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00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:19,900
almost like you're having your
own little inner astrology

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00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:23,000
readings when the shifts take
place within they start to take

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00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,700
place in the outer world as
well.

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00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:27,000
Hmm, fascinating and it's
intriguing.

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00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,200
I have read a couple of dream
books and it is Fascinating to

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see that there are certain
themes when it comes to dreaming

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00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:36,000
about animals or dreaming about
situations and what not.

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I have also, on the other hand,
been part of forums, where

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people will say, can you please
read my aura and they'll be many

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as many interpretations as there
are people in The Forum and so I

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would say to your point, you
know, use your judgment that

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these are your dreams, their
interpretation could be very

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00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,400
personal.
If you ask somebody else to

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00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,300
interpret for you, they're going
to be viewing it or interpreting

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00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,400
it based upon their filter of
what.

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00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:02,000
Experience has been.
And so, you know, use caution

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00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,700
use a grain of salt.
When you go for just like giving

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00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:08,000
up your dreams to somebody else,
it's it often requires your own

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personal and intimate reflection
and meditation.

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I agree sometimes like for me in
the beginning.

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It's actually helpful to have
other people telling you what

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00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600
your dreams mean but I still
wouldn't agree with you.

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Hold it lightly.
It's not the last word on the

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subject and then eventually,
yeah, the goal should be.

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00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,200
These are my dreams.
I need to make sense of them.

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00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,000
Nobody can do that better than
me.

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00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:30,800
Yeah.
And so, Epping from dreams over

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to synchronicity.
I know some people are like,

530
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:37,400
well, how can I build more
synchronicity in my life?

531
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Are there some things that you
had done that?

532
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,400
You can put a finger on that may
have led you to improving your

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00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,400
synchronicity?
Yeah, I think.

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00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,100
Okay, so two things.
So, the first process I did miss

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heart-centered meditation
purpose, and maybe, you know, a

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lot of people don't know this
about the Heart Center.

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00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:54,300
You know, people that are
familiar with the chakra

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00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:57,100
systems, kind of know what, each
of the chakras are what their,

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00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,100
what they do, and their state.
Consciousness.

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You might say, but the heart is
unique because it's in the

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center and actually unifies all
the upper chakras.

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Did some people, Loosely call
heaven, and it unifies all the

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lower chakras that some people
Loosely call Earth.

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And so you might say it kind of
unifies that sort of

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transcendent experience with a
very grounded practical reality.

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And so a lot of people that are
what I'm going to say walking

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sort of a middle path where they
want to be that kind of a

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00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:27,700
grounded, practical human but
want to have contact with more

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00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:30,200
mystical Realms to our It's of
Oneness.

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Heart Center is a beautiful
place to begin and I found the

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more time I spent in the Heart
Center and more I started to

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00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:40,600
appreciate others and other
aspects of Life Through The Eyes

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00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,900
of unconditional.
Love rather than judgment or

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00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:45,200
fear great.
They started to happen.

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00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,600
It was miraculous.
You know what, I call

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synchronicities some people
would call Flow or whole series

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00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,900
of coincidences or a lot of
people would call Miracles.

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It's actually unbelievable.
But over time, looking back, I

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think if you realize most of us,
Are a Divine being having a

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human experience, but most of us
have an ego identity that at

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least when were younger is
separate from that more.

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Divine identity, the more I
would say, you surrender

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00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,100
yourself as the ego to being in
service to that vine being and

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00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,300
start to merge.
The two shit happens.

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00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:20,500
But I don't mean bad shit.
I mean, good shit.

566
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,700
It's and so I don't care what
you call it, you know, and they

567
00:27:23,708 --> 00:27:25,700
might say turning your life over
to God.

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00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,500
As you understand it, it might
be, you know, to a Christian and

569
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:29,300
might be.
Hey Jesus.

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00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,500
You take the wheel somebody else
who might be?

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Not my will but thy will
whatever that looks like to you.

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00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,100
I just say I know I'm this
Divine being I want to be in

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00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,200
alignment with that, and I think
that's what Einstein was

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00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,500
referring to, when he said,
intuition is the gift.

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00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,600
And logic is its faithful
servant.

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But we've elevated the servant
and forgotten the gift.

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00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,400
And so, the more you can stay in
that sort of intuitive Divine

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00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,900
space and being alignment with
that miracles, happen

579
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:59,300
coincidence happened things you
didn't think we're possible.

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00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:02,700
Will happen.
It feels like I'm manifesting

581
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:05,900
instantly and sometimes almost
Eerie how quickly you think

582
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:07,700
about something.
Oh my god, there it is.

583
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,300
And so that would be the two
things trying to move Beyond

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00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,400
fear and judgment into some
Grandeur space that I'm going to

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00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,200
call unconditional love, and
that we can all find right here

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00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,900
in our heart center and asking,
like I want to be in alignment

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00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:24,300
with my higher self, my soul, my
Divine being, and then Watch

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00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,700
What Happens.
Mmm, I love that.

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00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:31,000
You mentioned that because I
recall, my My own aha moment of

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finding out how I could get over
some certain blockages in my

591
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:37,300
life and you know, certain
hurdles, certain obstacles,

592
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,600
whatever you might call it
challenges and whatnot and it

593
00:28:39,608 --> 00:28:44,000
was really the moment that I
turned myself over from becoming

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00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,600
an individual and an ego to
becoming a vessel of energy and

595
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,400
understanding that the energy
was just flowing through me and

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00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,500
I was just the vehicle through
which it was going to flow.

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00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,000
It was originally getting
trapped in my ego.

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00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,200
It was getting trapped in my
body and was Causing all sorts

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00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,700
of suffering and locking up and
constriction, and you'd feel it.

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00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,200
You'd feel this discomfort and
you'd feel fear, and you'd feel

601
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200
anger, and you'd feel resentment
and all of these negative

602
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000
energies that were just
culminating, because they were

603
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,200
getting stuck like a Reservoir
in my ego and surrendering that

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00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,400
and recognizing, yes, I am here
to be a vessel to be a

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00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,500
messenger, to be a Channel of a
greater power, some higher

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00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:25,600
purpose, that is calling through
me.

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00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,200
And if I just step out of the
way and let it happen, then,

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That's what is going to lead to
all of these.

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00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:36,200
Wonderful manifestations.
Yeah, thank you for sharing

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that.
Yeah, well John, this was

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00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,900
fascinating discussion.
Thank you so much for being my

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guest today on Role Models.
I will put all of your

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information and show notes that
people know where to find you.

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00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,100
I really appreciate your time
today.

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00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:50,200
Thank you so much.
Jennifer love chatting with you

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and really appreciate the
invitation to be on your show.