Self-Discovery, Shadow Work & Soul Alignment with Elinor Moshe

Jennifer Norman:
Hello, beautiful humans. Welcome to the Human Beauty Movement podcast, your source for hope, healing, happiness and humanity. My name is Jennifer Norman. I'm the founder of the Human Beauty Movement and your host. This podcast is here to guide you on your journey of self, love, empowerment, soul alignment and joy. With each episode, I invite beautiful humans from all corners of the globe to join me for open conversations about their life lessons and the important work that they are doing to help heal humankind. Take a moment now to subscribe to this podcast so you don't miss an episode. I'm so glad you're here joining me for today's show.

Jennifer Norman:
The most beautiful life is the one lived in truth. But how often do we trade authenticity for approval, our passions for security or inner peace for external success? Too many of us follow paths paved by expectations, not by our own deepest truths. And when we do, the cost is far greater than we imagine. Today we welcome Elinor Moshe, a visionary leader, co founder of Truth of You, author of four books and host of of the Deconstructing You podcast. On the surface, Elinor had it all. Accolades, success, a thriving career. But beneath the polished exterior was a woman feeling disconnected from her body, mind and spirit, trapped in this disempowering structure that she once believed would bring fulfillment. Her journey of unraveling inherited scripts and unconscious conditioning led to a profound transformation, one that brought her back to herself, to healing, and to true freedom.

Jennifer Norman:
In this episode, we're going to explore the hidden cost of external success on internal well being, the trap of people pleasing and identity loss, unconscious patterning and why we stay in toxic spaces, the transformative power of unconscious exploration and how to create a life aligned with truth and purpose. If you've ever felt the pressure to conform or if you've wondered what it would take to fully reclaim you, this podcast will shift your perspective and empower you to break free. So let's dive in. Welcome, Elinor.

Elinor Moshe:
Jennifer, that was so melodic and beautiful from the outset. Felt like a meditation unto itself. Thank you for having me here.

Jennifer Norman:
I am so excited and pleased that we can have this conversation because I think it is one of the most important ones for us as human beings, spiritual beings living in a human experience right now, right? To really understand what is going on, what is happening us, the dualistic nature of ourselves. And this is very, very deep work that you've done and that you're sharing with everybody on how they can live truly more authentically. And so please tell everybody about your journey. I'm sure that they're going to be so interested in hearing about how you came to this realization of what life is really.

Elinor Moshe:
When you look at the notion of beauty, obviously in honor and absolute reverence to the nature of this podcast, how do we even construct the notion of beauty? As you were saying, you worked in a physical expression of beauty. And as women, we are so accustomed to measuring beauty through the physical lens. It's easy. It's right there. It's either beautiful or not. And we do this unconsciously. It's feminine, it's material. It's easy.

Elinor Moshe:
And women also compete primarily with women for the attention of men and use beauty as a tool to do that. We're not not doing it for anyone. Are we really doing it for ourselves? And we can explore that later, but that's not where we're going. But what about the beauty and the metaphysical? What about the beauty of our interior architecture? What about the beauty of our dreams? What about the beauty in the unraveling in all versions of ourselves, warts and all? And how much do we actually associate beauty with that? And I was not that person because my conditioning, my very deep conditioning, not just from this life, but across lifetimes, had me look out to assess beauty. Therefore, the relationship you have with your own life through the lens of the distorted patriarchy. So that expressed as I'm the boss babe and it's the blazer and I'm a you can't tell me what to do kind of thing, that was not beautiful. The world called it beautiful. The world awarded that, gave accolades, and that championed that even.

Elinor Moshe:
But when I started and was invited to examine the actual beauty in my life, sure, I was taking beauty in the small things. But when we are all God in drag, as Alan Watts says, that is not always enough. So when we start that close examination and actually start to understand where is the beauty in life, then we start realizing there are deep voids that exist. Now, beauty for everyone, as you have been on the journey of discovering, means something else to everyone. What I consider as beautiful in my interior space is different to yours because we also so closely associate beauty with the archetype of Venus. And why do we even do that? Why is she one of the archetypes of beauty that we construct? And from an astrological lens, this is a mental construction, and we project that onto our world. So where my Venus is placed in my astrological chart, that's where I consider beauty. And for me, that is in higher education.

Elinor Moshe:
It is in the spirit world, it is in the metaphysic world, more so in the metaphysical world and being having a larger expression than, let's say, someone who takes pride and beauty in their home surrounds, which is the fourth house, for example. So when I started, when I was introduced into this world of the metaphysical, astrology was one of the first that found me and it showed me where are all the voids. It started putting a language around my life because I thought it was going so well. I thought when I had that first astrology reading that she was going to come on and say, you just need to hustle more. If you just wake up at 5am like they tell you in the books, and you just got to like invest more. Because the more that you invest in, in coaching and success coaching and, and business coaching and if you just sort out your processes, narrative, narrative, narrative, you will be that success that you are aspiring to. And that was far from the case. And that provided a spanner in my paradigm.

Elinor Moshe:
And I tried to shove that under the hood for months until she said something particularly that did manifest in April that year. And it was April that in 2023 where I had to spiritual breakdowns because there was no beauty left in my life. I was not left in my own reality. There was no sense of self anymore because the martyr in me had given over piece by piece by piece, from a soul level perspective, that there was nothing left. And that is when I cried from the soul and realized that I looked myself dead straight in the eye and said, this can't be it. And whether that was in reference then to beauty, but it was the truth which is beautiful onto itself as its own form of creation and manifestation and what we can explore within ourselves. And that was when the path of the unconscious revealed itself. The conscious faculties had all fried themselves, all conventional systems.

Elinor Moshe:
The wheels had absolutely fallen off. And I tried to beautify the external, you know, the external expression of Venus. I tried to. I had the brilliant appearance and even internally, that notion of the golden child, more like the glass child, was something to break through because it was not possible, possible that you are an expression of Venus. How did Venus even get her place as being associated with beauty? Because she shines. She's one of the brightest objects that shines from Earth. And I was doing that. I was shining externally, but the lights went off internally a long time ago.

Elinor Moshe:
So just to wrap up on Venus, to give that context as to why it was referenced, when early telescopes were first developed, astronomers saw Venus as a glowing, almost ethereal presence in the sky. And this was therefore reinforced with the notion of beauty and love, such as aphrodite and Greek mythology and Venus in Roman tradition. She's dazzling. She is jewel like, she's shimmering. And that is also a product of the atmosphere reflecting the sunlight onto Venus. So we have this reputation of Venus being celestial and elegant and alluring, and we all know how to put that on externally, but do we have that internally?

Jennifer Norman:
Wow, that is so profound. And thank you so much for sharing your story. It's one that I think that a lot of people can relate to. I mean, we used to talk about the midlife crisis. Now it's quarter life crisis. People are having existential identity crises earlier. And part of it is probably because of the breakdown in norms and this realization and this breakthrough that there is something more than what patriarchal societies lead us to believe. People feel that the hustle culture and whatnot isn't right for them.

Jennifer Norman:
It's because they're feeling it in their soul that is not aligned with what their soul path truly is. And so it is absolutely marvelous that we are being challenged with these kinds of breakdowns, even though it certainly doesn't feel like it when you're going through it. But it really is an awakening. It's an opportunity for us to find ourselves and to break through to the other side of that veil. Because, and I often in the beauty industry will say, isn't it interesting how the word veneer comes from and is like a path from Venus, where unfortunately in the beauty industry it is just like that facade it that is superficial aspect which makes us feel that this is the me that I want to project to the world. But inside it's a bit hollow. My soul hasn't really found herself yet and hasn't really been able to nurture herself yet. Rather, we are so used to people pleasing and putting on that front and giving of ourselves to others to try to create this life which isn't really authentically ours.

Jennifer Norman:
I love that you have a podcast and your work is all about the truth of you, deconstructing you, to get back to that you who you truly are. Now, some of this may come as a bit esoteric and be like, whoa, what the heck are we all talking about here? So let us break this down into more layman's terms because I know that there are some folks that are a bit new to the metaphysical. Certainly a lot of people who listen to my podcast are very familiar with it. But for those who may be new and just listening to this for the first time, I like to consider myself a bit of a portal or a gateway or a bridge. I'm kind of a wayshower that helps people to understand. Like, okay, here you are, you've been living in this path. Maybe it's been like work first, other people first, and you've got this itch, you've got this inclination or something just isn't right. And you want to explore that itch, that calling a little bit further.

Jennifer Norman:
This show is for you. This show is absolutely one that I think is going to be so helpful because it opens up a door for you to have this self exploration, this self discovery a little bit more. And so when we talk about how we dive into the you, Elinor, I would love for you to share with our audience what was that like for you and how because you do this work with other people, your clients and whatnot, with Truth of You, the idea of delving into the real you and understanding the real you beyond what you are projecting to the world. How is it that you help people to understand how to even get there?

Elinor Moshe:
Thank you. And you're mentioning the concept of soul. And before I mention that, if I can mention the concept of soul loss, it's from the shamanic realms and you may have already discussed it, or soul loss or soul fragmentation. And we think we are all of us, but. And all of who we were meant to be. But how can we do that? We're not all the parts at home. And that is one of the failures or blind spots of therapy is that when I'm sitting here and talking to Jennifer, we're not talking to the conscious. The Jennifer who has.

Elinor Moshe:
She knows how to do it podcast. She knows how to function on the day to day. We're not talking to those parts when we are talking about our deepest unconscious wounds. They're the parts that are home and they're doing great. Clearly. Look at what she produces. But when we want to call back ourselves and become all of who we are, this is not just a mental game. This isn't just, okay, I'm going to just do a desktop exercise and find out what my purpose is. And I'm going to go through a three step framework.

Elinor Moshe:
No, because of the events that happen to Jennifer as the only person in the center of her reality, some events may have been greater than her capacity at the time. You could have been in utero, you could have been on the way here. You could have been one. I could have been nine months old. It doesn't matter. But it exceeded our capacity based on our template to deal with that.

Elinor Moshe:
And the part that had to deal with it found it way too excruciating and traumatic. They needed to leave and find a haven in the vast cosmos. So we want to become all of who we are, but we cannot necessarily do that, let alone express that in a beautiful way out to the world without reclaiming those parts. Now even some of those parts may be right here, right now, but they could be so underworked, so stressed out, so over over it, over all the behaviors that you present them. So for example, my partner and I do shamanic journeys as part of exploring our shadow. And the first journey that I did, I went into the underworld because I was told I need to go into the underworld of self and call it the general manager. So they the archetypes, when we journey, they present themselves in ways that we are familiar with. So corporate.

Elinor Moshe:
So I got presented with the general manager and she, for lack of a better way to frame it, just beat me up for being a people pleaser. I was like, are you done with that? Would you like to keep on going? Because you don't know the consequences of what's happened, what happens down here every single time you do that, every single time you serve two masters and the master of self is not the primary. Then what are the consequences of that on all of the different parts of self? So the general manager who we need to organize the beautiful parts of ourselves, our creativity, our true self. How can they do that when their paperwork on their desk for example, is full of I've got to file this people pleasing emotion. But our emotional car park is already so full that it's on overflow that I don't even know how to file this. So you just have a general manager who is so stressed, stressed out, hates their job, is not given any recognition and they can't even talk to the boss. I mean, who in their right mind wants to work in a place like this? But this is what it is like when we open the hood on what is the truth of ourselves. Now that could be quite confronting.

Elinor Moshe:
When someone realizes that they have been an example people pleaser for their entire life, that is extremely confronting. When you're having a first hand encounter with yourself in the underworld, which is like going to get beat up in the back streets of some shoddy suburb as well. That's very confronting. But that is the truth. The truth does not come beautifully packaged in a way that of course it is within your capacity to handle it. You will only get shown in any journey, whether it's through past life regression or whatever it is. You only get shown as much as you can handle and integrate at that point in time, they're aware of where you are at, obviously. So we want to be us, but we are not working with paths that either are online, not atrophied, present with us and working in our best interest because we have misused them, misplaced them, so on, so forth.

Elinor Moshe:
So when it comes to why do. To answer your question, why should we even do this? Why are we having this conversation? Because using that example of when we lift up the hood on our unconscious, we live estranged from our essence. We are confined by expectations. And these expectations can be so deep rooted and the location of them not in this life, that you are still playing by that script and you have no idea. So for example, if you hurt your elbow, you can localize the pain. It is right here. It is in my right elbow. But what about fear? What about a fear of speaking up for yourself? Where is the root cause of that located in your soul's journey? Was it through you stopped speaking up because you were a witch in ex life and you were vilified for speaking your truth? You're still carrying that in your throat center.

Elinor Moshe:
Maybe you spoke up in an abusive marriage that you may have had or in society and you were killed. So do you think the soul is daft and say, well, I'm going to do that again? No, I was murdered. I was persecuted in Earth school for doing that. But that wound is active and ever present right now. So those expectations, whether it's visibility, whether it's how we present ourselves, there are some people who take physical beauty to an extreme and they distort that, as you have seen, and I will not talk to that because you have way more stories than I could. Where does that actually come from? We need to locate that outside of the physical body right here, right now. And then we also become entangled in these narratives that, that obscure our true nature. So beneath these layers are all the stories that we carry.

Elinor Moshe:
They could be from childhood, they could be from ancestry. They are the echoes of past lives. And these create these patterns that feel impossible to escape. Like, I've always been this way. I only know how to be this. So this is the trickster archetype that is telling you, you think you're anything else, this is who you are. You don't deserve anything. Why do you even think that? So then what do people go and do some affirmations calls? It's like, yes, I am worthy.

Elinor Moshe:
How is that? How can that possibly work when you are stacking that affirmation on top of unconscious wounds that do not allow you to be in that expression. So when these hidden dynamics come to light, that is what the great work is. As you have done and are doing. I'm. When these hidden dynamics come to our conscious awareness, we can start going, what is this? I need to be responsible for taking that out of my energy field. It's not, it was not my energy, but I have the responsibility of a why I attracted that closing that energetic loop and then clearing it out. But then once it's cleared, what am I going to reinstate that with? And many people can clear, clear, clear, what are you adding that with? Or people just add, add, add, but they're not clearing. And then it's like, well, great, the managers don't know what to do with that.

Elinor Moshe:
So when we get to our core, when we get to the root, the root of it's not just the pain, it's the beauty. We want to know the root of our abundance as we want to know the root of our pain. It's the duality, as you were mentioning beforehand. Then we start claiming our divine potential, not this man made potential of you can do anything. You can be the next Elon Musk. It's like, no, we all purpose built units, as you have said, it's that way. Finding energy that is purpose built to you. Some people are not that, some people are.

Elinor Moshe:
We all have unique expressions. Then we get to experience that liberation of spirit that comes from knowing who and what we truly are.

Jennifer Norman:
Oh, Elinor, you said so many things that just bring to mind the integration of so much wisdom. We've seen it in the work of Jung from the id and the ego and the superego is like understanding what our true nature is and then how in the form of society we need to get along. And then the super consciousness that comes in and recognizes the moralistic aspect of is this right, is this wrong? And how do I need to be in the world? As well as archetypes from Carl Jung and really thinking about how identity all plays into this and also the fact of like epigenetic pain and trauma and things that have happened to us that have been either passed down genetically or have perhaps from a soul perspective we've come to embody in terms of just experiences and things that we've pretty much inculcated into our beings and don't even realize it. So the importance of doing this underworld underbelly shadow work becomes very significant. And it's scary. I mean, when you say that, it's like you're going into the pit of hell. But no, the way that you described it is like, no, I confronted the boss babe, and it's actually like, oh, that was actually not that bad. It was actually, you know, something that really opened my eyes to what was happening when I was people pleasing and all of that.

Jennifer Norman:
So it seems scary. It's such important and powerful work to excavate out all the bullshit and the crap that is holding us back and causing us to feel like we can't keep up, like we have to be somebody when it's not really who we really are and leaving us feeling hollow and of a shell and divorced or misaligned with how we really. What our true nature is and how we can truly thrive. I think about the fact that, like, my mom, my adopted mother, like, I'm an adopted being. So I was plucked out of one environment, brought into another. My mom was actually British. She was plucked out of England and brought into New York. And so here we are in New York, and I think about how much she loved, like, a British rose garden and how much she wanted, like, a rose garden to grow in our property on Long island, and how it's not necessarily going to be as quote, unquote, like, robust and beautiful and thriving as in England.

Jennifer Norman:
And everything is always so much better in England. Every look at, look at all the roses, look at the chocolate. And then here I am living in California, in Southern California. If I tried to grow a British rose garden in California when succulents are indigenous here, it's like, no, it's not like our... We may be in an environment, in a society and a culture that doesn't necessarily align with where we can thrive. And sometimes we don't even realize it because we think that's the way that I'm supposed to be. And I'm trying to be a rose garden when the succulents here are thriving. So if we think about how this work can really give us a better understanding of, like, who we are inside and be okay with that, not say, oh, I wish I was a rose, wish I was as pink and pungent as that, when really we're a peony or we are a, you know, we're a cactus, a palm tree.

Jennifer Norman:
We're like, we're an amazing cactus. And that's okay, you know, and we can, like, live through anything. We can weather any storm, but we don't know it because we're too busy looking at that external validation and saying, like, oh, that's what I want to be like. And so we tweak, twist and morph and contort ourselves and call that progress. We call that success. We call it. And we don't realize what it's really doing to us at that soul level where we.

Jennifer Norman:
We've like, oh, we've lost ourselves. And that's why there's so many people feeling lost, anxious, depressed, lonely. There's an epidemic of all of these things now. Perhaps that's part of the reason why.

Elinor Moshe:
Perhaps very much so. When we are so separated from, as you said, you know, who we always meant to be and we become. I love the word contortionist. I use that at the start because you're like, ah, this is a great space that I should not be fitting in. Let me try, let me try and consciously to mold and mesh my. Enmesh myself unconsciously into roles, rooms that do not work for me. An environment is an underrated part of this conversation because you can be doing your great work. You can go out and do the breath work.

Elinor Moshe:
You can go out and have all, all of the wonderful healing experiences. If you fundamentally come back to the same place that created the wound is reinfecting the wound. It can't heal. It simply cannot. And that's from a physic like physically, it's obvious, but from a consciousness perspective, you know, there's a concept of quantum entanglement. You will inherently take on the imprint. The energy of the distortions around you. It is.

Elinor Moshe:
It becomes familiar. It has become that which you only know if you press on something for long enough. Eventually it will get the imprint. It is how it works. So people who work in oppressive places, drab places, even corporate offices that just have fluorescent lights hitting you all the time with unnatural cycles. Nine to five is not a natural cycle, especially for women who work on our menstrual cycle better than we do. The 9 to 5 labor market cycle, whatever it is that hasn't. That all has an impact.

Elinor Moshe:
That is putting you in unnatural states of being. Now this is not to say there is a place in time for corporate. There is a place in time for the hustle, whether you feel like it or not. There are ego's gotta eat as well. We're both not gonna sit here and say you can meditate your way and this is all you do and everything will be great. I mean, the world is not set up for that at this point in time. So when we look at our environment, we also are so disassociated. Especially if you are in the environment which caused the wounding in the first place.

Elinor Moshe:
You become callous to it, you become disassociated to it. Why is corporate? You look at it and there are so many robots in there who do not feel, who do not value feeling, because it's weak, because it is not the place for it. But why? Because the level of disassociation and no space for our emotional body to exist. And this is, of course, a generalization. There are brilliant organizations out there. There absolutely are. And hats off to all of them for being able to be so healthy in a toxic system then. And that, of course, has its impact.

Elinor Moshe:
If you go home to a narcissistic husband, it is not because your husband is therefore not home. The energy is imprinted into the walls, into the bed that you share. It is everywhere. And if you're not cleaning, protecting, and fundamentally seeking how to leave that environment, you can't be your true self because you have never also been your true self in that space, metaphysically or physically.

Jennifer Norman:
So I guess the next question that a lot of people would be asking is like, okay, I identified that there is this separation. There's a misalignment here. I want to live more truthfully and more authentically. How do I even begin? What are the steps that I take? There are a whole lot of things that, Elinor, you've described that may be like, oh, this is new. Oh, you did tarot. The past life regression, the shadow work. Like, some of that is like, you know, there's like a whole spiritual menu of modalities and opportunities for healing that we can get into. How does somebody know where to begin and what's right for them?

Elinor Moshe:
That is a beautiful question. Thank you for asking. The first thing is enjoy the breakdown. It's. Enjoy it because it is beautiful, too. If you've had that awareness where it's coming off autopilot. You think that you're flying the plane, but then you wake up and you realize that you're the passenger, There's a no one in the cockpit, and you have children on board, for example. That moment of realization will hit you and take up your whole vista.

Elinor Moshe:
It is so scary. Even the thought back then of, I remember when I had the astrology reading. She's like, you will need to go out there and tell people that you are not authentic. And I'm like, me? You're gonna tell me to do that? And that just spun me out. And now I can't speak it fast enough, let alone the thought of, well, if I'm not the construction coach, then who am I? It's like, do you not realize What I was constructing is again an external identity. And even those thoughts sent me into sleepless night and just trying to hold on and just. I needed validation. That was a patterning.

Elinor Moshe:
It's like, Jennifer, just tell me everything's going to be okay and tell me everything's you tell me I am who I am. It's like, what am I doing? But when you have that breakdown, falls straight into it. You feel like you're falling apart. But it is the ego construct that is falling apart, as it has to. It's that tower moment in the tarot. And even though that's not at the start of the major arcana, it. It happens as it does. So the first thing first is give yourself permission to fall into the void.

Elinor Moshe:
It is beautiful. Now, when I'm in the void, I don't always feel beautiful. And when you're out of it, it's like, huh, that wasn't so bad. I'm ready to go again and it's going to be more intense. And I'm good with that now. So the first thing is to locate yourself. And if you are locating yourself in the breakdown, then so be it. And to locate ourselves, that does require an introduction of languages.

Elinor Moshe:
And that's what. Whether it's astrology that finds you, whether it's human design, whether it's tarot, whether it's breath work, whether it's working with your sex and eros, whether it's past life regression, whatever the modality that does find you at your call of need, it starts to put a language around your experience. Because like you said, all of these languages are new. The words that we're using today, they were not part of my lexicon a mere two years ago. I couldn't talk in archetypes. I couldn't relate to anything. I only had the mental construct that I was conventionally given and. And everything that I needed existed outside of that.

Elinor Moshe:
So my picture frame was way too small. You need to expand the frame and you need the language to do that. Now we know that the truth is both all of the models and it is none of it, they all have a built in redundancy because the soul knows what the soul wants. It knows why it came here. But to help the human catch up, to help the ego start to make constructs, which is what it does and what it needs to also survive in this world. Like naming ourselves as a construct. If we didn't have a name, then you wouldn't be able to introduce me as Elinor and I wouldn't be able to remember you as Jennifer. So we work with constructs, they are fine, they have a place.

Elinor Moshe:
But starting to introduce new languages helps people that do that excavation process. They find the truth buried beneath the inherited stories as we were talking about before. And these models provide a profound exploration and identity of soul. For example, soul contract numerology, that is a time honored spiritual practice and it allows people to understand soul, what is that? But the soul traveled in a vehicle to this dimension and it wanted to experience specific things. So if I'm going to try and work outside of those experiences, I am negating the energy of what my soul wants. That creates misery, that can create soul crushing misery, which then expresses in depression, anxiety, overeating, overcompensation, even over traveling is an expression of that. So languages helped us at first because then it started to be like, okay, well this is the baseline and I'm all the way somewhere out here and I don't even have all the parts. And I'm realizing what is going on in this reality that I've unconsciously constructed.

Elinor Moshe:
Some people need that first. Other people can dive straight in, uplift their life, even if it's a hundred year old, well, not 100 year old, but a 50 year old oak tree with roots that are that deep. Some can up and go, some cannot, some will not do anything. Everyone is on different places in the cosmic cycle, not just in this life life. And we don't know the template that people came in with and what their soul wants to experience. So at first it was also locating, take the time to locate and support. I did not understand how valuable support is. And I spoke to one person who unraveled in a silo all by themselves.

Elinor Moshe:
I'm like, that's one. That is one strong soul. That, that's something else completely. But allowing yourself to lean into support. Now this is where it also gets as you may have experienced as well. People are not going to open you and hold space so easily. I remember the conversations and I still have the conversations where my shadow is triggering their shadow. And people do not want that.

Elinor Moshe:
They are not wanting to confront that. So you will be. You may be gaslit, not will be. You may be gaslit. You may be told that you're absolutely crazy for even having for entertaining that notion. You will not find the permission to unravel and explore your truth with the people who loved you for your wounded self and the behaviors that came with it. So it will take time to plug into spaces. Podcasting is fantastic like this.

Elinor Moshe:
There is the conscious mind might Be rejecting it. But there is a part that it's like that. I need that. And that is where we're heading. And that unconscious faculty can start illuminating things in your Life. So those three stages alone can take one year, five year, 10 years. It matters not. Time is a construct as well.

Elinor Moshe:
And if people can stay the path, and this is the beauty of it, is staying the path. Because my partner and I, you know, we were talking about it last night how much we love the unraveling, we love the exploration. Do we love it in the moment? Not always. But it is because we stay the path that what is available to us becomes so grand that we know we will manifest things that we don't even know we want to manifest or can manifest at this point in time. And that is not relevant to the physical. That is about our expression. Because we want to return our soul to the next character that will get to have it in its most optimal condition. Because we were given a soul that was distraught.

Elinor Moshe:
That was just... I was given a soul that was distraught and so deeply disempowered. I will not give that our soul to the next character in such a disempowering way because I do not want another woman to experience the template that I have. So when we look at the path, as you were so always pointing in the direction of soul, that is the direction that we're pointing at. And that is the call to allow the soul to be so loved and so loving. And imagine if everyone did that, the kind of collective that we would manifest.

Jennifer Norman:
You said some things that really brought to my attention a couple of concepts. One being the concept of acceptance. The fact that there are all of these different modalities. Some of them may seem foreign, some of them may seem scary. Some of them may seem like, oh, something I want to try. They become interesting in the acceptance of the fact that not everything is for everyone. Your healing path and your exploration is your own. Other people may be like, oh, tarot, that is bs.

Jennifer Norman:
That's not for me. Numerology, that's not for me. It may be for you, but there is the acceptance that other people might not get it. But if it's for you, allowing it, accepting that it can be for you, without that judgment, without feeling like, oh, if that person says that it's gobbledygook or too woo woo, that doesn't mean that it's too woo woo. For me, it may be absolutely the woo that I need. I might be Woo Tang Clan and I need the woo. The other thing is the concept of curiosity because the human, we are here to be consciously curious. And we grow by being curious.

Jennifer Norman:
And so getting curious about what is underneath the covers, what is underneath the veil, what is causing you to feel what you feel and notice what you notice and getting curious about saying, oh, looks like what I said might have triggered that other person. As you said, the shadow and the shadow may be like completely inflaming each other is like, oh, my wounded self might be triggering that person's wounded self. And maybe that's what's causing this conflict right now. And being aware and understanding that that's what's happen, happening. It doesn't need to be like this tremendous blow up, like, oh, that person's crazy and I'm never gonna speak to that person again. You might have just hit that, hit a mark and recognize like, oh, this doesn't mean the end of our relationship. It doesn't mean that we don't see eye to eye. Maybe it does.

Jennifer Norman:
But getting curious and recognizing triggers, recognizing where you feel joy and alignment, being curious and seeing that, you might want to explore some of these modalities a little bit more deeply because they could lead you to something very exciting that your soul has been yearning for and unconsciously has been seeking, but you've been too afraid to pursue it. Right?

Elinor Moshe:
Absolutely. That was so beautifully said. You are, you are so melodic in your narration and your exploration. I love it. And the quest is the questioning, you know, quest. It lives in the questioning. And my partner is, I say chronic, but not in a bad way. He's a phenomenal questioner and I have learned how to do that from him because the answer will always present itself.

Elinor Moshe:
It will not present itself. More than not in a way that we like it. Nothing's going to come to us with a beautiful bow and a package and beautiful packaging. And that's not how it works. But you are spot on with that, fueling that curiosity. Because people stop when the curiosity ends. But we are a depth of mystery that is unknown. We, you know, even as we sit here talking, there are levels of awareness that we have not tapped into to, but we would like to get there.

Elinor Moshe:
And it starts also with that curiosity, that questioning.

Jennifer Norman:
Yes, yes. And I wanted to touch also on because I speak about people pleasing a lot. And it's because I am a recovering people pleaser and because I think that a lot of what we do in society, I think culturally, females tend to be more people pleasers than men tend to be. I'm generously overstating that. But There is this aspect of servitude and of subservience and of making a home and going out of your way, giving beyond what you. Your capacity necessarily is as moms, as sisters, as daughters, etc. And so understanding where that comes from, from a social aspect and recognizing what the grain of what your soul is telling you and why it might be manifesting in this way that is perhaps, perhaps distorted because of societal norms. So, for example, like I, in this bodily form, racially Asian, which people would be like, oh, you have a subservient culture.

Jennifer Norman:
My mother, also my adoptive mother, being British, there's this aspect of polite society and just like keeping quiet. And so for the longest time, I felt children needed to be seen and not heard. And I was also taught that I needed to be the hostess with the mostest. I had to just give and martyr myself till the nth degree, because that was holy. Because that's what a good woman does, that's what a good girl does, and that's what's going to please a man. Like, these are the things that we were taught. But where in the soul journey did I finally learn, like, there is this aspect of servitude without necessarily going to martyrdom, and there is an aspect of being polite, but being able to have a voice and be respectful about it.

Jennifer Norman:
So there is language and there are these boundaries and these places where your soul may find. It's different for everyone, of course, but I was finding, oh, doing this soul work really led me to understanding that I'm not just a human being on this earth to make a living and to X, Y, Z. Like, I am actually a channel and a conduit of energy. And that energy yearns to be in service to compassion. It yearns to be in service to giving others a voice. Hence, it's like, why I was like, oh, my God. I found this epiphany and this beauty in podcasting, in holding space, and that's where it shines. But until you explore that work, you may be pigeon holing yourself and your soul into a distortion or contortion, our beautiful word, that may not necessarily be the right puzzle piece for your soul to be in.

Jennifer Norman:
So I love that this all comes to that curiosity of just like, where are those nooks and crannies and corners and corners? And how can it manifest itself into a place where you are thriving and not feeling boxed in and. And shoved into a corner?

Elinor Moshe:
There's a quote. I am not great with remembering names or quotes, but it was something along the lines of give me a box and I will eat it. It's that energy of - I need to get out of this box. And people pleasing is quiet. The box and mental prison that we build for ourselves and it happens individually, collectively, spiritually, planetary as well. And what are we trying to do when we're people pleasing? It is to get scraps of love. Love. We are ultimately begging unconsciously for scraps of love because there is a void there of love.

Elinor Moshe:
Why do we stay? Why do some people stay at work till 10pm every night? Forego their family, forgo their health, forego whatever is important to them. It could be pottery class, it doesn't matter. It's important to you to work for the boss, to hopefully in six months time get something. It's love. It is trying to fill a deep, deep void of love that was not available. Or maybe if it was available, the heart walls didn't allow you to access it or to feel it. So that will then manifest in overcompensation, in, as you said, being that perfect polite, see me, do not hear. It will manifest in so many different ways.

Elinor Moshe:
But at the root of it, we are also have been conditioned to split off from ourselves and to serve those two masters. Whether that master is the boss, society, the culture, whatever level it is, is, that is what is really happening here. And we continue to do that when we are in our collective and individual disempowered state. But we want to access our power and our love. The thing is they don't. They're not here. They are not here in this environment and this level, in this level of conscious awareness, it's not available with the ego in the way and the conditioning. This is why those, you know, what we were talking about beforehand, those trans states, states where you can access anything you want for better.

Elinor Moshe:
The love, the abundance, the dreams within you, all for worse. The general manager that beats you up and the manager of the the body who's like you, done with xyz. That's where we can access it. So on the conscious ego level, the people pleasing tendencies will run rife. But to access where that came from, why that was established, we need to go beyond the behaviors that actually established it. And like you ape plus people pleaser, the perfect doormat, the perfect boxing bag and the perfect sponge. And until people also, as you hand, connect with the consequences of when you are doing that, in that moment, how are you dishonoring yourself? If you saw a child do that and the child was physically beaten for that behavior, would you accept that? You'd have to be a monster if you did. But that is also what is happening on levels and layers that we can, we can't see.

Elinor Moshe:
So just because we can't see it in the physical right there as an immediate consequence to our actions, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist and not happening. So for all the recovering people pleasers out there, I mean, more power to you all, because it's a subservience, I'm not good enough cup that we're all trying to fill, but there's a hole in the bottom, so it's fundamentally flawed as well. So people pleasing is a massive one to unravel.

Jennifer Norman:
Yes, yes. And I will say that you were saying, you know, we're looking for these scraps of love. There's always this feeling like, I don't deserve it, or this tense, I'm not good enough, I'm not smart enough. And looking for love in another, looking for love in any other. And what we really are yearning for is that feeling, that emotion that we haven't necessarily learned to give to ourselves. Because when we are looking for love or if we actually find true love, it's not necessarily like that person, oh, I found love and that person's gonna love me. It's like that person, person sparked love within me and brought it out of me. And that is what I'm feeling right now.

Jennifer Norman:
So you have the opportunity to nurture that and give that to yourself. You can give that feeling of which I call beauty, because I believe beauty is a feeling. It's not something that you see. It's something that is just like what you feel in your soul. If you can harness, enliven and ablaze that love and that beauty and that feeling like I am seen and I am heard and I matter within yourself, then you are an empowered being. You have really helped to release a part of your soul that was yearning to thrive. And that's when you know and you can feel that it is right. It's not that, you know, you feel lonely, you feel depressed, you feel dejected because of someone else.

Jennifer Norman:
It's that recognizing that you can give it to yourself first. Sometimes I'll train people. I talk about the five love languages. And I'm like thinking, well, they always serve something a lot deeper than that. But if that's a surface level, that helps you to enter in, to say, I'm, you know, I'm looking for quality time. If I, you know, if I'm going out and dating and I'm looking for something, somebody, that person that gives me quality time is the one that I really feel connected with. Well, it's probably because maybe your inner child hasn't didn't have good quality time and you really could benefit from giving yourself quality time first. Like how, how often do you really sit with yourself and just really have that good talk with, you know, yourself or journaling or.

Jennifer Norman:
Or going down into your authentic self and spending good quality time or is it buzzing with doom scrolling or busy or gotta do this on my to do list. Is that why you're yearning for quality time? Because you haven't really given it to yourself for things like that?

Elinor Moshe:
It all points in a much deeper direction. And sometimes what it is is that event like what you were just describing, that's the conduit in and as you were saying, the conduit out and seeing what lives in that middle band as well. And it always does point to a bigger theme playing out. And that's where Tara has been so wonderful in helping understand what is the archetypal theme that is archetypal, sorry, that is playing. So for me there's been a lot of themes of disappointment and that manifests in well, that person could have done that for me and, and this and that and expectations like that really had nothing to do with anyone. That had a lot to do with my own behavior in those moments and everything that came before that as well. So again, that's where looking at the language, the models to understand the deeper themes playing out also helps us to feel that well, I'm not just building a narrative here, there is truth to it. Wow.

Jennifer Norman:
Well, Elinor, I feel like we have talked about so much, a lot of deep topics, yet I feel like we can talk forever. So I would love to have you on again so we can explore a lot of this even further. But because we are at time, I just wanted to make sure that we were able to have you share where people can find you, how they can work with you if they want to even go further on a personal level.

Elinor Moshe:
Thank you, Jennifer. This first felt melodic and the time has not existed in this space. This was. That's how you also know it's soul was here. Because there was no clocks, there was nothing of the man made it really involved here. It was so beautiful. So thank you. I'm the Elinor moshe on Instagram @elinormoshe on LinkedIn and our website is truthofyou.com au we of course have readings available past life regressions and coming to, well, by the time this episode is released, we have launched astrological profiles.

Elinor Moshe:
So for people wanting to look, I'm busy, I need to understand what the hell is happening here. Then astrology starts to provide the language around this. So whether it's health, whether it's money, whether it's relationships, whether you just want to understand your personal landscape, astrology starts to bridge that, bridge you from the what you thought you knew into the unconscious world. So we have that available for people who not everyone wants to talk to someone on this journey. Some people want that solitude and to do it themselves as well. And of course we are constantly developing more things like journeys and bringing more things online. As we unfold, so does, so too does the business.

Elinor Moshe:
So thank you Jennifer.

Jennifer Norman:
Wow Elinor. Well, it was such a pleasure to have you. The work is Truth of You. The podcast is Deconstructing You. Please get in touch with Elinor Moshe and her lovely partner, and I do look forward to having you back on the podcast again. Thank you so much Elinor for being such a beautiful human.

Elinor Moshe:
Thank you Jennifer. Right back you at you.

Jennifer Norman:
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