Episode 68: Nichole Hamilton - Activate Emotional Well-Being in Your Kid

0:00 But when you work with a child and you hold space for them, those interactions are literally life changing for them. They go on to heal and grow and be so much more evolved and regulated. Because you know, someone's held space for them. Yeah. Hello beautiful humans. Welcome to today's show. So if you are listening today, chances are you're an adult and chances are you've heard of life coaches for adults like Tony Robbins or Jack Canfield, Louise Hay or Jay Shetty. But what a lot of handson life coach for kids. Now I'm not talking about your standard office bound pediatric talk therapist. I'm talking about a roll up your sleeves, energetic coach that can actively work with your child to bring out his or her greatest potential.

0:51 I'd like to introduce you to the kids coach, Nicole Hamilton. Nicole is a mom of three based in Australia with a passion for helping our children heal. She's a mentor and a coach to children between the ages of two and 18, and she uses a variety of modalities in her work for kids, parents and families. I'm so excited. Welcome, Nicole. Oh, thank you so much, Jennifer. Like that maybe tear up. It's a beautiful reflection. Thank you. And yes, super excited to be here. Oh, you know what? What you're doing is so, so important. I mean, it's no secret. It is really hard growing up as a kid in the world today, right?

1:31 Correct. Yeah. I'd love for you to share your own personal journey, your own story and how you got into all of this. How did you get into coaching kids? This is amazing. Thank you for giving me space for this. It has been a journey and I think that's why I'm so passionate about helping our youth. So when I just turned 30, I went through a bit of a crisis and trauma and I personally was addicted to drugs. And so I don't know what you call it in the US, but it's called ice here. So methamphetamines. And I had tried all the doctors and counselors and drug and alcohol counseling and asked for help and psychologists. And for me personally, nothing worked. And by chances and obviously there is no chance that the universe sent me this beautiful hypnotherapist and energetic healer.

2:13 And one session with him completely changed my life. I felt internally this shift and I could see my life completely changing. And I had these two options of love and light and, you know, being sober with my kids. I had two kids and then the other side of darkness And basically if I kept doing what I was doing, death. But there was such a pool that my whole body shifted, I didn't want to take the drugs anymore and Fast forward now, 12 years later, I didn't stop studying after that. You know, it was like, wow, these modalities help so much more. And it's not really spoken about. I mean, it is, I guess now, 12 years later. But back then, you didn't know what a hypnotherapist was or a coach or breath work facilitator, an energetic healer. And so along that journey, I've been through divorce.

2:56 I have a wife now. I have three beautiful children. I have a neurodiverse son. I've done a lot of healing around depression and trauma and family therapies and split families. And every time I learned something that helped my body in my life, I was like, why are we not doing this for kids? You know, there's a 7 year old who's lonely, who's being bullied and doesn't want to be at school. And parents, you know, they don't know what they don't know, but they're not realizing that or holding space for those emotions. And then you've got a 14 year old who's you know severely depressed or anxious. Why is there not a coach helping her breathe and talk about it. And in Australia, here it's very, it's bit different. We have massive wait list for our, you know, our medical and our psychologist. So everything that I learned, I kind of got a name here in South Australia that I would be the holistic or the hypnotherapists that work with kids and everything that I learned can be a game. We can make that so fun for them to hold space for their emotions.

3:47 And I just believe if we start working with the kids, our whole future will change. If a kid can be evolved and have a deep connection with themselves and feel safe within themselves to express themselves and talk about their emotions, our whole world will change. So yeah, I'm super passionate about using the skills that we have and using them for our youth. I think that's incredible, because if I think about the evolution of childhood from back when I was a child, which was eons ago, and the amount of parochialism that had been in the school system or even in families that might have. In in the US there had been, it's very puritanical kind of basis to a lot of how a traditional upbringing would take place.

4:30 And to your point anything like energy healing or hypnotherapy, I mean that wasn't even talked about that was almost considered voodoo magic way back then. It was like not really in in scope at all. But yet as children are going through and there's some sort of a pain, there's something missing, there's something that they're not getting which causes them to lose their way and it could end up. In behavior that no one can understand. And then they're labeled as either bad or they're punished. And so I think that what happens is the schools and parents are not necessarily as equipped as they could be for that child to really thrive. There's more of a tendency to have neurodivergence or emotional divergence and things like that. So it does seem like it's more important to have different kinds of options for parents and for schools. To all right there's so much every child is different. Every human being is different.

5:25 But there are so many similarities. You know we all feel lonely at times. We all feel overwhelmed. We all feel angry. And you know, knowing that if a parent and as I'm a parent of three, we kept very overwhelmed as well. You know sometimes it's just not a bouquet for us to hold space for our own children. You know having beautiful role models. I call us, you know kids coaches. But it could be a Big Brother, big sister, a mentor. Having a support worker come into your home or you visit them can make such a difference in the harmony and the love and the connection in your home. And that's all what human beings want. They want to be connected. And when we're overwhelmed, and if the kids overwhelmed and the parents overwhelmed, you've got that polar opposites. And so the family's in disarray and coming in, and it could just be as simple as making a beautiful coffee for your mom. And so you doing a really good job, you're looking after your kids, bringing her, filling her cup up. That's a part of it too.

6:15 It's not just this there, there's so many different realms to it. So for me, it's just looking at that niche that's lacking in society to help come back to community. It takes a tribe or a community to raise a family and sometimes that is not blood related. So if you imagine that you could just pick up the phone and say, hey, I need a big sister, Big Brother, I need a mentor or come and help me with my kids for the single moms or single dads or people just in struggle, how cool would that be you know, if that was just a thing, you know? And part of what we believe here at the Human Beauty Movement is that this is not a blame or shame sort of a thing. There is real valid reason why. Parents get overwhelmed. Why? We feel at times that we just can't handle another thing and everybody goes through it. That doesn't mean that you're a bad parent. It doesn't mean anything of the sort. It means that it is legitimate and everybody could use some support every once in a while.

7:10 Everybody needs some respite. Everybody needs to be able to just have a little bit of a safe zone where they can be like, you know what, I need a timeout. I need to go and take a bath. I need to just decompress in some. Way, especially if you're working, especially if you've got multiple kids, especially if there's a relationship situation which is tenuous. And so many of us have that as well. And so yeah, there's nothing to blame, there's nothing to shame and nothing about your child or anything like that is to be blamed or shamed or anything like that. Because there are a lot of times when there is like maybe an outburst or a lashing out. There's something underneath, isn't there? There's some sort of a pain or some sort of need that might not be feeling met, and sometimes it's.

7:51 So hard to articulate when you're young. And sometimes it's not so easy to have open communication with the parent because there might be a little bit of embarrassment or I don't know how to talk to my parent like I talk to my friends or this and that and the other. And so having somebody else just kind of come in and be that safe place, that safe person, that buddy, that mentor, that coach is a really good idea. Again, it doesn't mean that you're a failure as a parent. If you need extra help at all. It's actually like, wow, do it for you. Do it for your family. And see something to try. It's a resource that's available to you, perhaps, and something that could help. And maybe what you can do, Nicole, is explain like what are some of the ways that you come in and help different families, different kids and in their situations. The first thing that I do and I and I've got 73 kids coaches here in Australia, right across Australia and we do, do zooms, but the first thing we do can the only thing that's the same is we connect and we empower, play and grow. So connect with a child.

8:48 And that could be, as I said, from 2:00. And I have worked with two year olds and that's getting on the floor, having your games out. And when a child comes to you, you know that you've got that connection because they're not paying for the session. They're not invested. You have to get there. Yes. If I have an older child who's, you know, seven or above and let them interview me and we let them pick you. And so that empowers the child to then really have that buddy, mental coach. And so I say to them, you know, I would not be sad. If you don't pick me, I will find you somebody better because you might want a male or you might want somebody different. And I tell them all about myself because as a coach you can be a real role model. Obviously with parents blessings, I can talk about different things for different age groups. You know, the teenagers might want to know about depression or bullying, that they all pick me because I've actually given them a choice. We can always give our kids choices and in our homes, but giving them that, that's that empowerment part. And then depending on what that family needs, there's so many different realms.

9:40 So I'm a clinical hypnotherapist. I can work on trauma, so going back through emotions, but every single children's coach has got different qualifications under their skill set. I've got people that are Yogi's or support workers or teachers that aren't going back to the education department that go into homes and help with all sorts of things, programming and education and literacy. So every single kids coach has a different kind of passion and skill set, but you can work on anything. So it could be, you know, emotions and anger and anxiety or just talking about things. It could be OCD. It could be. I've got an ADHD kid that needs to have more time with male role models, and they take him out and play with them and sports and run.

10:21 So yeah, there's kind of like the Sky's the limit. That's why we have that interview process. But there's always something that a child needs. And underneath that, I teach the skill sets where we just talk about where we feel it in that body. You know, if we have nervousness, right? Where does that come from? If we're having a thought that's a challenging thought or a thought that's uncomfortable, where does it come from? And always allowing children to feel it in their bodies because it's something that we do as adults is normally just brush it off. I can't deal with that later or I'll worry about that later. I'll cry later. So coming back to emotion and allowing them to just be because that allows like you touched on before, there's always something behind a big behavior and outburst. They're not naughty or good and we need to express ourselves and unpack that all before.

11:02 And if we do that, that becomes a part of the emotional regulation. So there's not really a one stop shop when it comes to it. But just really being that beautiful mentor for children and families and holding space is is the beginning part of it. And like I said, nobody's a failure. We don't know what we don't know. We all get overwhelmed at different times. There's absolutely no judgment. Have I yelled at my kids when I'm overwhelmed and busy? Yeah, absolutely. You know, do I unpack it with them later on and apologize and say, hey, I wasn't my best self? Yeah, I do. Some families don't even know that. That's a huge modality. Let's unpack. When we don't behave. Let's be a role model for, like, for our children and apologize and talk it through. So some of the skill sets are very simple and some can be very deep.

11:45 Yeah, and certainly there are different methods of parenting, and I'm sure that there's millions and millions of. Authors and books and experts on parenting and raising children and all of that. There's all sorts of advice, but you just never know what is quite right for your situation until you really are able to have clarity around the communication and what is motivating you. How are you feeling? And then what is your child going through and how can there be this closeness and this overarching sense of love? In some cases, I know in my own upbringing, there was more of a sense of I'm the mom or I am the. Authority. You are the child. You listen to me and you do as you're told, be seen and not heard.

12:26 And that was a way of being brought up, which had its consequences, certainly. But truly, I think that in a lot of cases there are trends and styles of parenting. And now I think it's kind of come to the place where we're realizing being more open and having more empathy and communication Where there is this kind of equivalency is not a bad thing. Certainly there is a level of authority. That needs to be instilled in a family and in a household, but in a situation where there's schooling, there's a semblance that this structure and the the way that kids are taught in school may be a bit outdated. And I think that's that's something that you also have brought to light in your work too.

13:07 They just aren't really as equipped as perhaps they could be or as nimble because there are so many different needs now and it's not as cookie cutter as we thought that it was once before in education. Yeah, correct. Well, I mean our parents are differently now. I mean I've got a 16 year old, a 13 year old, he's neurodiverse and then my 2 year old and I didn't know what, I didn't know I was brought up similar to you like my parents were the authority do as you're told, that type of thing. And because of that, when I go back and I look at my childhood, I shut down my emotions. And that's why in my 30s when I went looking, I was like wow, this stems back to here. And it wasn't that my parents were bad parents, it's just they were bringing you up as they were brought up. And so through this self development and learning all these new strategies and the way to speak in different kind language and open-ended, you don't need that.

13:55 Like you said, it's a more of an equal partnership. You still have boundaries as parents, you still guide them, but treat them as little humans. They have just the same amount once they turn 7, the same amount of thoughts that we do, they have the conscious thoughts, they're having the emotions and they feel unsafe if we as the adults shun them away. Off you go, it's not your business. Don't worry about it. That type of thing that gives them inside a feeling of unsafety. And so if we unpack with them and to speak to them like little humans like, hey, this is adult conversation. But I'll let you know that the stuff that's going on that makes a totally different harmony within in the home teachers as school system is very outdated. They're either labeled good or naughty kind of thing and they might not use that particular language, but they big behaviors at school, there's a lot of consequences. And then that again makes them feel shame and guilty rather than unpacking and providing the support that needs to be done of OK, your mindset works differently. You need to be very active in your learning. How can we support that?

14:51 And then because of this behavior within society, within parenting and within schooling, it can get quite isolating. If you have a child that doesn't even need to have a diagnosis, but if you have a child that has big emotions and big behaviors, a lot of the time you're told as a parent, off you go, you need this out. This is your child. This is your child's behavior. So then you feel guilty as a parent that your child's not behaving in the right ways and you have to kind of suss that out yourself. So for me, it's being super vulnerable, sharing everything that I've learned and that I know. I'm not saying that I'm the best parent ever, no way. But if I could share some tips and tricks that can help another parent feel connected and better equipped, that's really where it's at. And there is massive culture shift here in Australia. There's so many children that don't want to go to school anymore.

15:36 They just don't want to be there. And that's huge. Like how do we battle that? You know, they still need to be educated, but that that's a huge red flag. Kids don't want to be there, that they're not feeling safe there. They're not becoming their best selves because of the the culture or the teaching or the other students that are around. So even more so, parents need another space, another safe space to bring their children and bring themselves so that we can grow and thrive together. Yeah, that is such a hard thing to contend with. And how can you blame children when it seems like when they go onto social media, the whole rise of the influencer gives them this impression of money for nothing, like and where you can just Google anything. It's like, why do I need an education when I can just Google anything and I can just learn anything on YouTube, which they've got a point. We're kind of creating this situation where there are more and more disincentives to just go through regular school, let alone college.

16:29 There are so many people that don't even think that college is the kind of value that it once was, you know, college degree or even going on to a higher education in terms of like getting Mba's and Masters of Fine Arts. It's like it doesn't even seem like it would be as good of an ROI anymore. They find themselves comparing themselves an awful lot to what they're seeing, you know, on their. Phones and to the other kids that are around them. And yeah, it's really, really tough for them. But I know a lot of people say, oh, I would never want to be a child At this point. They really are missing out on the simplicity that we had growing up. We didn't have mobile phones and we didn't have so much social media and so we had downtime. So they're already coming into a society.

17:11 I mean, let alone if you believe in energetics and the spiritual side of things. We are overwhelmed genuinely as a population now because we are also constantly stimulated. So they're being went into that modeling and watching us. They've got it from babies, the iPads and zoning out and TV so much more whereas we were making our own fun and out, you know out playing and outdoors and having a break for our nervous system. And so it's, yeah, coming into this world is completely different. And that's why education and parenting styles need to change, because it we're not the same as we were, you know, 20 years ago. For sure, For sure. I want to talk a moment about addiction, because certainly you've had experience with it. And I congratulate you for being able to rise out of it.

17:55 That is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. And so I know that probably worldwide, but in the United States it's pretty rampant. Is it escapism? Is it just this feeling that they need to like get away from what's going on inside them and are looking for substances to give them a different kind of feeling or something that helps to like lift them out of the mundanity of the day-to-day? I'm just curious what you think are some. The key causes behind getting into substances and then becoming addicted to the stronger ones for which unfortunately a lot of them are super dangerous nowadays, 100 percent, 100% I guess for me the point of starting taking drugs was connection. When I grew up it was a way of like we would take party drugs and go night clubbing and connection and hang around people and stay up for days.

18:46 That rite of passage. And in Australia it's 18, you start drinking you guys. In the US it's 21. But there's a real like camaraderie about being in. And for me, I guess it comes back to that connection. People want to feel connected. So whether it's drinking alcohol or taking drugs, they kind of do it in their late teens to 20s to really feel apart for away from their home. Addiction can start in any way. It can start from painkillers, it can start from taking party drugs. It can start from so many different places, from drinking alcohol, from smoking weed, I don't know cigarettes. It can start in many ways, from addiction to eating even. But what happens is, yes, it's a suppression of emotions. I was so unhappy in my previous marriage and I didn't realize it. And for me, the addiction really just kept my emotions numb. And so I was like a functioning addict. I did it behind closed doors.

19:32 Nobody knew that I was doing it. I could go to work on it, but it got really, really bad where I was doing it every day and I was literally losing my mind. Addiction becomes a different biochemistry in your brain, and you can't survive without it. It's the need another one. I need some more, I need another drink, I need another thing. And you can get into it in multiple facets, but for really it is a coping mechanism because of whatever you've been through and it could be trauma or just unhappiness or the underlying cause is probably quite similar for a lot of people is they just don't know who they are and they need to work on their own happiness. Once you start working and that's what I found with the hypnotherapy and energetic work is it opened up a whole nother world. We actually have all the answers we need with inside of us. You just need a guide.

20:14 And so, you know, for me it's, you know, talking to any addict is like if the drug and alcohol counseling hasn't worked for you or doctors or medications keep asking for help because for me, I always knew I wanted to get sober and that is a choice. And so if there are other addicts out there and other families listening to this that are, you know, supporting addicts, you can't help that person until they want to get sober. That's the first thing. So when they do asking and continually asking until you find that right person to help you through that, me, the unconscious therapies work so much more because we're tapping into the body, not the mind. When I went to conscious counseling like doctors and psychologists, it didn't work. I could stay sober for a little bit and then I'd go back.

20:55 So working on the unconscious modalities really helped me as that gave me that click of like, Oh my God, I know why I'm doing this. And I can really come home into my body and start feeding at what it actually wanted, not the drugs. And it wanted that love and connection and connection to what was going on underneath. Yeah. And through multiple coaches and coaches and therapists, I've really you know continued to work on that self saboteur that's underneath and she's beautiful. It doesn't matter. I used to shun her and try and keep her away but that darkness brings us to the light you know and so really nurturing that part of me. She's actually super strong. She's vicious. She's a fighter. So you know understanding that. So addiction is far more than a disease or books tell us. But I highly recommend anybody who is an addict and working with somebody else who also has been through it. So that my best counselors and whatever also were people that had gone through it and understand that mindset. And I know that in the US and I wish it was bigger here, but the AA meetings and everything like that is obviously amazing. Right.

21:55 Yeah. So I'm curious when you are giving advice to parents or to anybody who is thinking, I'm not sure if I need to bring a coach into the mix or maybe the child is like feeling a little bit wary about the whole idea. Like what are some? Of the cures, what are some of the things that you might notice in your child to say, I think that this might be a really good idea for us. Like, where do you think it, it really kind of stems from that would get, I think a family or a child or parent more interested in considering having a coach come in. Yeah, beautiful question. I think that if you're noticing that your child, especially in the teenagers is really shut down and they're not talking about things.

22:40 If they're really disengaged playing a lot of gaming and that's the only source of connection like that probably is a flag or a curiosity. And then that might be you want to coach to take them out, you know, get them out the house play because they can use talk therapy while they're doing other things. If your child is having overwhelm and meltdowns and big behaviors and you just don't know how to support that and that's a common theme that's coming up if you have lack of communication. So I do a lot of mother and daughter things where the bond is kind of broken and there's not a beautiful communication. But between or harmony and that can be with any child. So multiple reasons or if your child is talking about emotions that they're bringing to you like I, you know I am depressed, I am anxious or self harm. There's so there's so many reasons to look at why your child might need that external support and just asking as well. So some of these I don't know what's going on in the US but I've had a lot of conversations in the last couple of weeks which is super sad but there's a really big thing of youth suicide here in Australia.

23:38 So asking having communication how are you going, what's going on in your world. Because as we grow up we pull away from our parents. We don't really tell them what's going on at school or online and the rest. So that checking in and as a parent you can always get a coach for yourself and it shows that your children that we always don't know what all the answers and it's actually OK to ask for help. So setting that kind of intention #1. If as a parent you're thinking I need some help chances are your children need some help. Yeah. Looking at all of these things just asking those questions. You know, getting online, you know, having a free consult with somebody, if it's not right for you, that's 100% OK too. But, you know, if you're curious about it, if you're like, wow. And the other thing is as well, my wife and I, we always have relationship counseling.

24:21 Not when it's bad all the time because it's like constant work. Yeah. It's a constant work of that's time that we get to really prioritize a relationship. And just because there might not be any disarray means we can unpack some beautiful things. So I guess what I'm saying is there's always a right time for a coach, doesn't always have to be when there's things that are going wrong. It could be like I just want to. Do better, Yeah. I think here in the United States, the first knee jerk reaction that people will say is like, oh, you need to see a therapist Or, you know, take that child to a therapist and the traditional therapist is in an office. They might sit the person down and it might be just, what's that? Yeah, I like lay down on the couch or, you know, the psychotherapist.

25:05 So it seems like your modalities are quite a lot different that you even get out into playgrounds and start playing games. Games and things like that. And so, you know, turning things into games makes it a little bit more entertaining and invigorating for a child, right, 100%. So it's, yeah, I believe any session can be a learning moment. So that's where the the play and grow comes in. You don't have to get them to sit down on a couch and just talk about their feelings. So we can go to a a playground and do some primal screams or some shaking or some running and get those emotions up and moving through. We can make slime or play DoH or do some beautiful art therapy. There's so many different ways that you can really help your children. It doesn't have to look like therapy, but it is therapy. We can draw chalk outside and we can do a circle of let's jump into our happy emotions and let's jump into our not so comfortable ones.

25:53 You know, maybe anger and like, what's the difference? Everything can be done, you know. Everything that I've learned as an adult in as a coach can be made for a game for kids and supporting them and teaching them that we actually can ask for help in regard to what's going on in here. Our dialogue and our emotions is, for me, the key. You know it, just making that the norm. Nice. Now, I'm sure that you have a lot of emotional or inspirational, heartwarming stories from your personal experiences with different children and families. Are there any examples that you can share that have just been like a real joy and an attribute of success? Yeah, so I remember one time, and this wasn't even a child, that was my therapy. I was working in education as a support worker and this boy was a 1314 year old boy and whose big behavior is big emotion. Walk across the desk, tell the teacher to get lost. And one day I was just sitting next to him and we were actually coloring in and he was doing his work and I just looked down and I said, hey mate, like you are.

26:49 Look what you're doing. You're so capable. This is amazing work. You're a great artist. You're concentrating. Your behavior is beautiful. I'm so proud of you. And he looked at me and and you know, stared me straight in the eyes and he said really no one's ever said that to me before. And I just nearly cried. And obviously I can in my business, but when I'm with, I was at the school setting, I was just like, wow, I know I made an impact on that child's life then and there. And that's why I do what I do. They need somebody else to reflect back to them how amazing they are. Every single human is amazing. And sometimes they're not getting it at home or from education. So for me, when a child picks you and you can have that beautiful connection is just why, just why.

27:30 And they get it. And just a really other quick one. I remember when my son who said is nearly 17 now, was 7 and I started learning all these modalities. He was really angry. We will get it going through the divorce. And I just asked him, I said, when was the first time you were angry? And he grabbed his little fists together and he clenched them and he said when I was in your tummy. And so this is kind of like timeline therapy, if you know anything about NLP. And I was like, wow, so that was the first time you were angry. I said, what are you? Because, yeah, I was stuck and he was, he was breached. He actually broke my waters to it in a bit weeks early. He wanted to come out. He was stuck under my liver. His nervous system remembered that he was angry from that time and we unpacked that so that he knows that he can release that anger. It's not always talking about the current things that are making you Angus. And sometimes it's going back and unpacking. Where did it come from?

28:16 Why is your body storing that? And so using different like techniques, kids can heal super quick. Us adults are the ones that take the work that need a lot of constant guidance and assurance. But when you work with a child and you hold space for them, those interactions are literally life changing for them. They go on to heal and grow and be so much more evolved and regulated because you know, someone's held space for them. Yeah. The deep listening, I think that a lot of people hear about it, we're not so good at doing it. Just like putting the phone away, not multitasking, really having an authentic conversation with them, asking them how it made them feel without trying to interject or cutting them short. And all of that, and that goes with your kids is, you know, in any relationship, it's like really paying attention and having that quality time that doesn't cost anything. A lot of parents will also.

29:07 I know that there's compensatory behavior. It's. Like, oh, I can't spend as much time with a kid, my kids. So I'll just buy them their favorite toy or buy them another pair of shoes or something like that. And certainly that is a display of love. It's one of the five love languages. But really, there is something to be said about quality time and then that active and deep listening, that can be extremely valuable as a start. If you're feeling like, oh gosh, I can't bring in a coach, you know, maybe you're feeling intimidated as a first step. There are a lot of things that you could probably do just on your own time. To get to that place And then if you're still feeling like you might need support, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get a coach and somebody to come in and maybe show you some different tools and techniques that you can bring into your home.

29:53 And there's so much free stuff online, you know? Yes, obviously we're advocates. We've got podcasts. There's so many cool things. I'm pretty sure you're gonna add it in the bottom Here I've got a 5 day free program just to help parents with overwhelm. There's cool games, there's meditations, there's so much free stuff on YouTube, so and tick tock for your kids of your stuff. Like there's so many different ways that we can get into their world. Like you said, it doesn't have to always have to cost money. Yeah, so. That's right. Well, Nicole Hamilton, the kids coach, thank you so much for being on the show today. I appreciate you and your work so very much. Thank you so much for having me. It's, yeah, literally, I guess my last mission now to really talk about this more and get it out there. So you're one of the first steps, my first one in the interview.

30:39 Delighted and I'm very honored. Thank you so much, Jennifer. Thank you for listening to the Human Beauty Movement podcast. Be sure to follow, rate and review us wherever you stream podcasts. The Human Beauty Movement is a community based platform that cultivates the beauty of humankind. Check out our workshops, find us on social media and share our inspiration with all the beautiful humans in your life. Learnmore@thehumanbeautymovement.com Thank you so much for being a beautiful human.